Vader got hit by emotions too around the same time. He wanted to be a dad and didn't seem as into a fight to the death with his family as Luke was.
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What if the Knights of Ren isn't really a badass dark side kill squad like we think they are, but the most popular heavy metal boy band in the First Order, providing entertainment and moral support to the troops?
Yeah that's what I just assumed the whole deal was. One student (albeit a nephew) going bad is kind of a silly thing to go into exile over but accidentally creating a whole class of Dark Siders makes sense. I figure if only Ren turned, Luke beats his ass himself or if he's too emotionally attached to Ren he trains someone else up to do it. If he's worried he's just going to create more Darkers, then it makes sense that he'd give up the project.
Bobby Roberts
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Movie only says that Kylo betrayed Luke at the temple and slaughtered a bunch of kids. Nothing about some of the kids also turning and Luke having to kill them, too.
ElephantEyelash
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So we're watching the movie and we're right at the climax where Kylo tracks down Finn and Rey in the woods. The lightsabers clash...and the fucking screen goes black and the lights come on. The fire alarm was going off and everyone had to be evacuated. Couldn't have timed it better.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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Then you might want to rethink how you present yourself, because the portion I quoted seemed to suggest the exact opposite
I don't think I could handle a Justin Bieber cameo in Episode VIII.
We'd be moving into prequel territory then.
lastplayed
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I just assumed the Knights were Luke's students that followed Kylo, that's why Luke is so bummed out, because he lost the argument.
That's what I assumed. I think it's Luke in the flashback.
Luke versus Kylo and Luke's young jedi, who converted to the Knights of Ren. Kylo is basically a bit of a Vader wannabe phoney right now, but Snope can change that. Both Kylo and Rey have huge potential.
PHOENIXZERO
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That seems likely and I thought the same.
So it works both ways, Kylo's injury shouldn't be that significant a handicap. He is underpowered.
I believe Luke was in turmoil with dark side temptation.
So Ewan McGregor actually took part in the Force Awaken? It would've been cool to see him at the World Premier and started teasing the public about his small cameo.
Kylo got shot in the gut by a gun that was one-shotting everyone else, through armor, for the entire film. They both got banged up.
Atraveller
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Liberty4all
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I think people were always sad to see Tarkin die so quickly ... Maybe keeping Hux alive is in answer to that.
But then we might finally get another scene to rival this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1r8UcRLu7c
Mashin Haters
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Ok I got some questions.
1.) The Republic. Were they all just wiped out from that blast? Which planets were destroyed? Is it the same Republic that was in Episode 1 2 3?
2.) Why does it look like the resistance is so small. I feel like it should have been a lot bigger especially if they had the Republic as allies.
3.) Anyone have an idea of where that new Sith Lord came from? If there back story?
4.) What happened to the Knights of Ren? Why didn't they show more of that! I kinda wished they squaded up lol.
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shout out to that actor from the Raid! Also wished that Captain Phasma had a bigger role.
1.) The Republic. Were they all just wiped out from that blast? Which planets were destroyed? Is it the same Republic that was in Episode 1 2 3?
2.) Why does it look like the resistance is so small. I feel like it should have been a lot bigger especially if they had the Republic as allies.
3.) Anyone have an idea of where that new Sith Lord came from? If there back story?
4.) What happened to the Knights of Ren? Why didn't they show more of that! I kinda wished they squaded up lol.
P.S
shout out to that actor from the Raid! Also wished that Captain Phasma had a bigger role.
Kylo got shot in the gut by a gun that was one-shotting everyone else, through armor, for the entire film. They both got banged up.
It's worth noting that the ONLY ONE who landed a hit on an uninjured Kylo Ren was Chewie.
Everyone else tagged him while he was hurt.
Chewie is the underrated badass of the film.
UberTag
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If they were going to off Chewie it would have happened in this film. He's clearly immortal going forward.
Even though I'm sick of C3PO's shenanigans, I suspect R2D2 is a more likely casualty given how BB8 is like an improved version of him.
Lando might as well not exist.
I'm torn on which of the Skywalker kids buys the farm. At the moment, I think Luke dies so he can join the group of force soothsayer holograms and whisper sweet nothings about using the force into Rey's ears in her time of need. I think Leia lives because there isn't a defacto leadership replacement for her as of right now.
Also, I think Kylo Ren will survive the entire trilogy and become a good guy.
Knights of Ren more like Knights of When (are they gonna actually do something?).
I'm curious as to who Benecio Del Toro could play in Episode VIII. A lot of people assume he will be a villain, because Del Toro looks like Del Toro, but there's already a number of villains established. Episode VIII will have Ren, Snoke in probably a bigger role, Hux, and Phasma is probably a bigger role. I'm not sure where you could shove another villain in there, or what he would do.
I'm curious as to who Benecio Del Toro could play in Episode VIII. A lot of people assume he will be a villain, because Del Toro looks like Del Toro, but there's already a number of villains established. Episode VIII will have Ren, Snoke in probably a bigger role, Hux, and Phasma is probably a bigger role. I'm not sure where you could shove another villain in there, or what he would do.
The first is merely me saying I'm annoyed in how people are dismissing certain aspects of her character as shown in film. Which would be a criticism on other's attention to plot details.
The later while I agree is vague, is an untargeted reference. Because I don't know where certain criticisms are coming from. But if I had to guess based on a few critics that I had in mind, I would attribute it to people leveraging too much of the franchises precedence in order to write off character traits that they feel defy their expectations.
FlashbladeGAF
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I'm just saying, as strong as Kylo's affinity to the force his, his constant battle within himself to go against his nature is where his force powers begin to weaken.
Sure he had training, but like in Empire Strikes Back with Luke and Yoda's training, if your mind isn't clear or focused, your control over that power lessens.
Having been injured and having just killed his father. The only real use of the force Kylo showed was when he got angry over Rey's feelings about him killing his father.
Even with all the speculative training we imagine he went thru, he was a mess in that moment. By the final fight Rey was able to focus and clear her mind which is why she was able to perform better. Plus she didn't get shot by a crossbow blaster.
Who knows though, Kylo being a poor student could have been the cause of why he lashed out at the new training school and the rest of the force babies.
Ren: ugh...I'm just not getting this,... maybe if I go to the darkside, me being emotional can be used as a weapon and I can finally unlock the power that my family shares.
Darth Maul is going to hook up Solo with some legs?
Quite the opposite of the old EU.
half a moon
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I don't get the half cyborg joke. I thought Han was stabbed through his chest, not cut in half.
JimiNutz
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I had this theory before the movie came out based on nothing but her accent. Rey was left on Jakku when she was old enough to have formed her accent so I maintain that at least one of her parents must have had a British accent.
At the moment Kenobi and Lando are the only main characters from the last films with no direct tie to episode 7.
Lando could appear later but it would be nice if there was something to tie Kenobi to this trilogy too.
There's also a really nice parallel if Luke trains a Kenobi in the same way that Kenobi trained/mentored him.
Yeah, but that's a blast gun hit, in which special cinematic emphasis is placed on how he's bleeding, indicating that he's really hurt.
I wasn't bringing up the example because I was arguing "Star Wars humans are extra resilient." I was arguing that the narratives of these stories aren't consistent to that degree. Characters can take hits that SHOULD logically leave them crippled and then actually be crippled by a shot that would in fact cripple them. Theoretically, you can have a character crippled by an action you that wouldn't cripple them, or any possible combination of effects for any hit. It depends on whats given focus, and the way the narrative plays out, Kylo Ren is clearly injured by the blast shot, while Rey isn't by that fall.
And I can choose to believe that dogs are cats, it doesn't make it so. Luke is confident in his abilities the whole fight. Once Vader mentions going after his sister, then he becomes pissed, but once he regains his head, he goes back to being merciful to his father. Even if that temptation is within him, he's clearly certain that he can control it...and he does. That's not turmoil unless you're playing the semantic game so hard that you've reworked the english language.
Anyone can use it, but deflecting blaster shots requires force-enhanced awareness.
Bobby Roberts
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This is the first Disney distributed Star Wars film from Lucasfilm.
Curious as to how you're getting "slowly turning into Narnia" out of this on what's still, technically, it's 2nd day of release.
Benzychenz
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Darth Maul came back half cyborg in the cartoons.
Chewie also has better game. Finn went to sleep. Chewie had that nurse flirting with him.
It's because they both fell down a large hole after suffering a mortal blow from a lightsaber.
half a moon
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Oh lol I get it
I don't see this point often mentioned. But the blade of a lightsaber is weightless. So to really "twirl" it around you would need a force user to weight the blade properly to maintain control over it. But anyone could foreseeably maintain a solid grip to use one.
han secretly always wanted to be half-cyborg and he was waiting for a good time to surprise everyone so it just happened to work out.
FlashbladeGAF
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He also got vaporized in the planet exploding and becoming a sun, but try to forget all that and have fun..
T_T
Her accent could have just been from Lor San Tekka, the old man Kylo killed, who I think is the guy Luke entrusted to keep watch over Rey, and also the reason the old guy even had a key to part of Luke's location in the first place.
LOL a Star Wars movie rated R for sex would be amazing.
At the end of A New Hope the Millennium Falcon appeared like magic out of the sun before shooting Vader.
Han has magic sun powers, confirmed.
BlastProcessing
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Pure rage guided that bolt right to Kylo's spleen. Wookie justice motherfucker.
Iriscomeback
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Ok saw it last night and I loved most of it.
First of all the movie actualy felt like Star Wars, well done. The new characters are good, especially Kylo Ren. A very believable bad guy. The new droid is also great, love that guy!
The thing I loved the most is that the trailers gave us the wrong impression. I really thought Finn would be the new Jedi, not Rey. Didn't see that one coming! Really cool. The lightsaber battle was great.
But there is one major thing that bothered me. The movie is way to similar to the first original one. Some scenes were exactly the same. A cantina scene, the X-wings attacking a giant Death Star like base, plans (a map here) stored in a droid that they take back to the resistance and so on.
I really, really hope Han Solo isn't dead. That would bum me out immensely...
Oh and there was no overuse of CG, well done Abrams. I think he did a fantastic job.
All in all, I'm looking forward to the next movie! Definitely going to rewatch this one soon. See what stuff I missed in all the excitement.
First of all the movie actualy felt like Star Wars, well done. The new characters are good, especially Kylo Ren. A very believable bad guy. The new droid is also great, love that guy!
The thing I loved the most is that the trailers gave us the wrong impression. I really thought Finn would be the new Jedi, not Rey. Didn't see that one coming! Really cool. The lightsaber battle was great.
But there is one major thing that bothered me. The movie is way to similar to the first original one. Some scenes were exactly the same. A cantina scene, the X-wings attacking a giant Death Star like base, plans (a map here) stored in a droid that they take back to the resistance and so on.
I really, really hope Han Solo isn't dead. That would bum me out immensely...
Oh and there was no overuse of CG, well done Abrams. I think he did a fantastic job.
All in all, I'm looking forward to the next movie! Definitely going to rewatch this one soon. See what stuff I missed in all the excitement.
If you are going with that angle, there was no cinematic emphasis showing his fighting ability actually being hampered by the injury (e.g. like wincing from abdomen pain during a saber clash).
Thornton Reed
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I really don't understand why people are having issue with Rey's skills at the end of the film. I think it's pretty clear she had already began her training as a Jedi when she was a small child and that some kind of mind tick has been placed on her to make her forget her skills in the force for her own safety. I think the clue to this is in the title of the film 'the force awakens' I think this means it's been asleep in Rey and her powers have finally woke up
The one thing that kinda annoyed me at the end was the amount of stare shots. I noticed it first during the Han Solo - Kylo Ren scene on the bridge where the camera just keeps switching between their 2 faces for like 10 times, it was really overdone there...and then the exact same thing happens at the end! The whole close up of Rey's face, cut to close up of Luke, cut back to Rey, cut back to Luke...happens like 7 or 8 times and would look really silly if it wasn't for the music.
Except the multiple times the camera focused on Ren hitting his own side during the fight to slow the bleeding?
Liberty4all
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There were some people in the theatre at the end talking about a theory that Luke has fallen to the dark side and is controlling the strings of the First Order. Something to do with the visions Rey had ...
They're serious about being serious ok?!
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