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It'll take far more than some angsty kid to kill the great Chewbacca. It better take a whole freaking moon, canon or not.
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #2) - One Thumb Up
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Bobby Roberts
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That kid ain't getting over on Chewie.
He's lucky Chewie had the millisecond of mercy needed to put that bolt in his kidney, and not his head, like he did EVERY OTHER TARGET HE SAW on his way to detonating the charges.
Chewie may have babysat that little shit, but the instant he got the shot, he took it.
He's lucky Chewie had the millisecond of mercy needed to put that bolt in his kidney, and not his head, like he did EVERY OTHER TARGET HE SAW on his way to detonating the charges.
Chewie may have babysat that little shit, but the instant he got the shot, he took it.
He's gonna be pissin blood tho.
c3po actually had the perfect introduction. it totally fit his character. just totally unselfaware and kind of annoying but you know he means well. interrupting han and leia's moment is not only comedic but its completely in line with who he is
Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. For the Dark Side to be fueled by those emotions is a hard sell considering up until now the villans have been mostly emotionless. Except Palpatine, that man was gleefully evil.
Boss Doggie
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This is quick. Not even JW got this.
Bobby Roberts
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You mean a second spoiler thread?
I don't know much about GAF stats or whatever, but has a film thread ever gotten locked due to views/posts before its opening weekend had finished?
(granted, the thread opened a week before it released)
Considering they went out of their way to have Rey meet Luke face to face at the end, I see no reason as to why they would have delayed such a revelation for the next film if they already set up a scene where Luke easily could have confirmed this. Maybe they saved it so that Rian could do whatever he wanted with it or as a big moment in the next film but in truth, I'd be way happier with Rey being unrelated to the previous families.
Patrick Bateman
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This fits pretty good.
Anakin in the prequels was ridiculous. Ren felt more belivable.
Psychoward
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Revan still lives on in that Kylo's head design is basically Revan
The Illiterati
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Knowing that people in this thread and elsewhere are going to endlessly argue about Kylo versus Rey instantly makes discussing this fantastic film exhausting. These are probably the same people who have spent years discussing Goku versus Superman and if the Balrog had wings.
Something else that bothered me about the timeline was Han's line about thinking the force was all mumbo-jumbo... Didn't the prequels take place ~50 years before this movie? Is that really long enough for people to believe something that was such a big part of their society wasn't real?
Psychoward
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Scientist Supreme!
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Nope but interesting comment anyway.
Patrick Bateman
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Well even in A New Hope people thought of the Force as some sort of bedtime story for kids. I think Han thought of it as laughable as anyone else did at that time. To be precise, only a few "normal" people actually saw Jedis or people using the force, thus most of it must be hearsay and people forgot again.
I'm guessing the Empire tried erasing The Jedi and all that from History. And there was no more Jedi around besides Yoda and Obi in hiding. Han doesn't seem like the type of person to believe in something like the force through just word of mouth.
half a moon
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That's on the prequels and George. Han didn't believe in the force in the OT. Obi-wan didn't know the droids.
Bobby Roberts
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The Star Wars universe is a place where short memories reign supreme. I'm not entirely sure anyone there can actually read, or does so with any frequency.
(a lot of this is down to Lucas not really giving a shit about ages/timing)
But I mean, the prequels end, and you have 20 years before Star Wars. In that 20 years, Han Solo (would have been like, 10 when the Clone Wars ended) has completely forgotten that the Jedi were ever a thing, and the rest of the galaxy seems inclined to go right along with him, as evidenced by Motti using the term "ancient" to describe The Force.
The Original Trilogy ends, and you have 30 years before The Force Awakens. In that 30 years, Rey and Finn both consider the stories about the Rebellion overthrowing the Empire to be not much more than myths and superhero stories.
Imagine, in 30 years, people just straight up forgetting that Catholicism was ever a thing and that it had Popes.
It's fuckin' ridiculous.
But that's Star Wars.
Iriscomeback
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Didn't anyone else find it wierd they had Luke's/Anakin's original lightsaber? Didn't Luke lose that one at Bespin along with his hand?
half a moon
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It was found.
That's a story for another time.
Iriscomeback
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Oh right, I remember them saying that now..
The biggest question is the technological advancements. If Kotor is still canon, technology has been at a general standstill for thousands of years with limited deviation, while the prequels had better tech than either the OT or....what are you calling this trilogy? The New Trilogy? The Sequel Trilogy?
The Illiterati
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I never really thought about this but doesn't it suck that for all their technology it doesn't seem like anyone has galaxy wide internet, much less even planet level mass communication. News travels really slow, and by rumor.
Patrick Bateman
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I just read that Episode 8 will be out in 2017. That gives Luke some time to educate Rey on being a badass Jedi.
Not Spaceghost
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I don't think I buy the talk of Rey being a Kenobi. There doesn't really seem to be a way it would have happened. I doubt he had a fling while he was being luke's guardian while in exile. I doubt it happened during the clone wars considering how Satine talks about it, and I certainly doubt they'd be like "oh his brother's / sister had a child and they had a family!"
It is honestly far more likely that she's just a skywalker (boring)
Or a really strong force sensitive that was being trained and Luke had particular affinity for.
I can accept the in universe tech stagnation as just them reaching the pinnacle of what is possible, hell there are still advancements here and there in the old republic era they use kolto which is shitty compared to bacta, and we only really see backwater planets and a struggling rebellion in the OT.
It is honestly far more likely that she's just a skywalker (boring)
Or a really strong force sensitive that was being trained and Luke had particular affinity for.
I can accept the in universe tech stagnation as just them reaching the pinnacle of what is possible, hell there are still advancements here and there in the old republic era they use kolto which is shitty compared to bacta, and we only really see backwater planets and a struggling rebellion in the OT.
half a moon
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Why do you doubt he had a fling while in exile? He was close to civilization. He has a dick. He could easily get drunk and bone.
PHOENIXZERO
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Luke having been a lonely monk over the last 30 years would suck too.
Well, their memories were wiped and there's no point in being like "oh my Schwartz! It's R2D2 and C3PO!"
But yeah, that was a crappy attempt at a retcon and whatever.
Well, their memories were wiped and there's no point in being like "oh my Schwartz! It's R2D2 and C3PO!"
But yeah, that was a crappy attempt at a retcon and whatever.
They're like the dead poets society and Snoke is Robin Williams
Rebelling against those Jedi rules, man
Even though in Episode I people on Tatooine, which is in the outer rim, could pretty much spot a Jedi on sight?
Yeah, I'm probably putting way more thought into this than Lucas did.
I'm probably adding my own bit of head canon to this, but between the prequels and the originals, the Empire rises and indoctrinates the galaxy that the Jedi are a failed religion, do not stand for anything, and should no longer be in power. The remaining Jedi are supposedly wiped out, so there's no one to spread their influence. People in the Galaxy live their lives without thinking of the Jedi as a mythical force again.
To me it's more like something like dissolving Scientology tomorrow, and seeing if the wider public remembers it / believes in it in 20 years. It's a stretch, but it's not huge stretch.
Jest Chillin
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The alternatives you suggest are not out of line..
BUT..
It's not as if Jedi haven't had secret children that were spirited away to be raised in secret before.
I mean... seriously.
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
That doesn't seem like something Obi-wan would do. Not even prequel era obi-wan. I doubt he goes out to socialize much when he's busy making sure Luke doesnt die and mastering the ability to become one with the force.
If they do something like that I'd be disappointed.
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he already had a fling in his youth with Satine and she died and he was really heartbroken over that, I doubt he'd want to do anything that could make him feel like that again as it possibly leads down to the dark side.
Any character whose face you can't see has a good chance.
Christopher
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Movie lacked 3PO and R2 antics hopefully next movie rectifies that
Don't forget bb-8!
KOTOR is not longer canon but the basic idea in the EU is that GFFA is technology locked.
This was changed somewhat by Lucas in the prequels which showed earlier model ships and small ships needing removable hyperdrive addons to do light speed.
I also liked the fact the Falcons guns still had the crude targeting computers. Heh.
Jest Chillin
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Are you seriously not connecting the fact that Padme had secret twins that were hidden from Anakin and the idea that Satine could have had a secret child or even children that Obi Wan would have had no knowledge of?
Really?
NumberThree
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Rey is Kyle Katarn's daughter.
firehawk12
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The Jedi has a greater force in the Star Wars universe than Scientology does here.
This would be like if Richard Dawkins took over the world, killed everyone who was religious and all the atheists who were left alive suddenly decided that religion was never real.
You're totally right lol. Never thought of that.
Going along with the Darth Plagueis is Snoke theory. Rumors from before about Anakin's birth was that Plagueis actually did figure out how to manipulate the force (or midicholorians, whatever) to create life, and therefore he created Anakin (which is why his midicholorian count was off the charts) essentially being his "Father".
What if Snoke is Plaguies, and saw Anakin as a failed attempt, so he tried again with Rey. Creating her. Sure it still leaves it open to who her mother may be. But, this could also explain her connection to Luke/Skywalker's since essentially she is like Anakin's sister.
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
Oh for sure it's possible, but come on let's be honest if they say "rey you're the daughter of the brother of obi-wan's son" or "rey you're the daughter of obi-wan's secret child" you'd be 100% okay with it and not feel like it was completely shoehorned?
It's one thing for it to be possible another for it be potentially awful writing.
Jest Chillin
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Yes I would be okay with it.
You know why?
Because A New Hope told us that Luke's Father was killed by Vader. Then ESB told us that Vader IS Luke's father.
These movies don't need to be honest with the viewers. They also don't need to spell everything out with dialogue. In fact I prefer that they do neither.
PHOENIXZERO
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Luke and Leia it made sense and we saw it in the prequels, with Obi-Wan we didn't have there's nothing supporting it. A plot twist is one thing, this would just be inventing something basically out of thin air.
Psychoward
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Okay but they can't keep using the same exact mechanic.
Patrick Bateman
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I'd laugh if Rey is another kid of Leia and Han, but they gave her away, because they didn't want to make the same mistake with her with what they did with Ben. And wanted to keep her far away from being a potential force-user.
Jest Chillin
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Except that with Luke and Leia we didn't have shit to support shit until decades later. We had to just believe whatever was shown to us at the specific time the movie showed it to us.
We had to trust that Vader, for some reason, didn't know who was what and what was who. And, to an extent, we still do that now.
The Clone Wars shows that Obi Wan had his own dalliances. To act as if that couldn't result in a child is foolish. To act as if Satine didn't know the rules of the Jedi Order and wouldn't keep a child of her own secret is ignorant.
It's not the same exact mechanic. They hid Luke and Leia because Vader had become a homicidal maniac. Satine or whoever could have mothered Obi-Wan's child would've just hidden the child to protect Obi Wan from the discipline of The Jedi Council. There's a huge, massive, difference in the implication of hiding the child/children there. I mean.. let's be real here. The Council knew that Padme and Anakin were cahooting all over the place. They just didn't know for certain about children.
Well.. Maybe Yoda knew. But Yoda is Yoda though.
The droids being in the prequel trilogy made ZERO sense. Yet another direct contradiction; it was like Lukas had never watched the original trilogy. (It was also incredibly idiotic that Darth Vader built C3PO, a protocol droid, and ~25 years before the OT).
Aside from being terrible movies, there are so many things about the prequels that are just wrong that it's best to simply consider them non-canon. One more example: Luke's and Leia's mother dying at childbirth (because she was sad, lol) directly contradicted what Leia said in Return of the Jedi.
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