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[SomTervo]

I think Luke effortlessly force pulling the saber into his hands would've been a good ending. Instead they did some weird helicopter pan which I hated.

Why would he do that?

The pan was pretty weak though. Should have cut to black on the close ups.

 

[AtomnayaKlubnika]

Kathleen Kennedy said the Star Wars saga films are the Skywalker family drama. And that they will ALWAYS be about the Skywalker family.

It wouldn't be the Star Wars saga if it wasn't about this family. That is the entire point of the saga. Non-Skywalker stories is what spin-offs are for.

It's like going to see a Batman film without anyone taking on the mantle of Batman. That is how this is treated. And has always been treated.

We have Ben Solo, Leia and Luke. It is not impossible for them to bring another legacy.
Thinking about it, it's Ben SOLO, he is a Skywalker, but his name is Solo, that's interesting...

 

[phanphare]

I mean, she's clearly the Luke of these films. that doesn't necessarily equate to her being related.

 

[sphagnum]

The reason Artoo woke up when he did was as explained by the Lucasfilm story groups Pablo Hidalgo. He wasn't ever off. Just in low power mode for the last decade or so since Luke disappeared. When he heard BB-8 had the missing map piece when they initially arrived he began his boot up sequence. Which due to fact he has been in low power mode for so many years and is a very old outdated model took hours to fully power on.

He didn't wake up suddenly in the final scene. He began powering back on soon as he hears the missing map piece had been recovered.

Would've been nice if C-3PO explained this.

 

[SpotAnime]

Is Star Wars Rebels Canon now? IF so then either Ezra or Kanan could be her father or somebody from that thread.

Yes they are canon. Always have been.

Yep. I was thinking who Max Von Sydow's character could be. I don't think he's from the OT, but he definitely has ties to the Rebellion/Resistance and/or Luke. How else could a) in possession of the missing map piece; and b) on the same planet as Rey, a powerful Jedi in hiding. I feel like he's playing the Obi-Wan role in harboring Rey, and perhaps this will get fleshed out in subsequent novels and comics. But is he a Jedi? If so he would have put up a fight, but perhaps he sacrificed himself like Obi-Wan did to become a mentor/Jedi spirit to Rey. Was his voice in Rey's vision by any chance?

Anyway, my point being if he was anyone, could he be an aged SW Rebels character? I haven’t seen the series yet.

 

[JB1981]

What is going to be the dynamic between the 3 main characters going forward? Rey as the Jedi is pretty easy, and we have Poe as the super skilled pilot. So what is Finn's role? Is he the weapons expert? Comedy relief?

He's going to get captured n tortured which is going to pull Rey away from her training. Can see it now

 

[BronsonLee]

Would've been nice if C-3PO explained this.

He was busy being offended by R2 calling him a little bitch

 

[RS4-]

Sydow better be in one more Star Wars film.

 

[JTripper]

Yeah, but that stormtrooper hadn't been shot by a crossbow beforehand.



The weapon the stormtrooper wields is a baton. It's usually used for riot control. It also blocks lightsabers. Seeing they're led by a guy using a lightsaber (and maybe Snoke?) it doesn't seem that strange to me.

The First Order want to kill the last of the Jedi.

It breaks my mind to imagine the possibility of a stormtrooper being able to match even a wounded force user.

 

[Randdalf]

Did Poe Dameron even meet Rey in this film?

 

[hardcastlemccormick]

Ultimately this comes down to whether one thinks that Star Wars should be more complex or more simple, and I fall in the former camp. I don't really subscribe to the view that everything needs to be as clean cut as possible and that SW cannot or ought not grow beyond its roots. Just because the final film shows us the most basic version of events doesn't mean that it's satisfying. And I've always felt this way since the PT came out. I'm glad the new canon is still continuing to explore the Galactic Civil War outside the simple presentation of the original movies.

It's ridiculous that the destruction of the capital of the galaxy is treated as a one off thing rather than the most important event in the film. There's no point in really talking further about it if we disagree about that, because it's a disagreement that's unresolvable.

No point in discussion if we disagree? Then why the hell are we on a discussion board?

Star Wars can be complex. It's a big universe with a lot of stuff in it. But that's not the debate - the debate is whether politics needed to be in this film. Given that making a two hour movie is more about what isn't in the film than what is, I'd say it was a smart choice leaving it out. I'd be happy to see more of them in further installments, but for an exciting sci-fi adventure with enough exposition and back story to kill an adult elephant, it just wasn't necessary. Let the books and TV shows flesh that out and let the movies focus on the characters, wherever they come from.

Yeah for sure, and I think that's kinda lame lol

Granted they obviously wanted something that mirrors the destruction of alderaan but on a massive scale, and that worked, but I just feel like the republic is kind of important to just do away with in a simple show of force scene. We can infer how high the stakes are just from them comparing the damn size of the thing to the death Star and Finn should know it's capabilities.

Just a nitpick really, I wanted the republic out of the way so the next film can chart completely new territory, but I feel like it would have had more impact at the end of the movie, instead of happening when it did and not even getting a mention at the end.

Putting it at the end of the movie wouldn't have made the resistance's position so desperate. The First Order knew that the Republic favored the Resistance against them, so they treated them as enemies.

It's one of those things where the nerds would say "well why didn't the First Order just blow up the Republic first" so they did. It's the logical first move with a big nasty planet cannon - blow away the current power. Note that the First Order only did it because Lux was so voracious and looking for an increase in power - Snoke barely gave a shit about it.

I love how everyone is now an expert on Mary Sues.

No kidding.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

Holy shit, so impressed with myself that I didn't know about Han's death. I mean, as soon as they were on a narrow precipice with Kylo asking him to help "Do what must be done", I could tell, but part of me still thought he'd find a way out of it.

They didn't shy away from being brutal either. Holy shit I hate Ren. I was punching the air when Finn/Rey got a hit on that bastard. This is way worse than when Vader killed Obi. No "disappearing into clothes" here. Full on lightsaber impalement. He died in fear, pain, and disappointment

 

[borghe]

Anyway, my point being if he was anyone, could he be an aged SW Rebels character? I haven’t seen the series yet.

Not anyone they've introduced so far that I can think of. I believe Rebels is about 10 years before ANH. So he'd have to be like 30-50 in there already.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

Audio recoding of JJ talking at a WGA screening about the Obi-Wan lines.

The 'Rey' part is indeed Sir Alec Guinness (comes from the line: He betrayed and murdered your father.) 'These are your first steps' is said by Ewan Mcgregor.

Skip to around 27m for JJ to start talking about the Obi-Wan lines.

edit:

Jett pointed out it's not from Betrayed but from Afraid.

Even cooler was they originally had Obi-Wan's voice actor from Clone Wars do it before replacing him with Ewan.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Did Poe Dameron even meet Rey in this film?

Pretty sure no. I was just going to mention that in reply to this:

What is going to be the dynamic between the 3 main characters going forward? Rey as the Jedi is pretty easy, and we have Poe as the super skilled pilot. So what is Finn's role? Is he the weapons expert? Comedy relief?

I'm looking forward to Rey/Poe interactions.

 

[BronsonLee]

What the fuck is a Mary Sue
That sounds like a brand of maple syrup

 

[sphagnum]

No point in discussion if we disagree? Then why the hell are we on a discussion board?

Star Wars can be complex. It's a big universe with a lot of stuff in it. But that's not the debate - the debate is whether politics needed to be in this film.

That's why I said there's really no point in going further with it. I think that this film did need these things, and I laid out why, and you think this film didn't need these things and you laid out why. And if we keep talking about it we'll just keep going around in circles about it. We have a different fundamental view about what a Star Wars movie, or at least this Star Wars movie, should contain, and I don't think inserting a view lines of dialog (or a senate scene, which apparently may have actually been shot) would wreck the pacing or purpose of the movie. But then again I also felt like the movie moved too fast and that five extra minutes or not-immediately-necessary-stuff would've been a good thing.

 

[jufonuk]

seeing it again on the 27th with my friend, cannot waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaait...

 

[bigwinnerx]

What the fuck is a Mary Sue
That sounds like a brand of maple syrup

A way for men to complain.

 

[JTripper]

What the fuck is a Mary Sue
That sounds like a brand of maple syrup

Isn't she Spider-Man's girlfriend? I think people are in the wrong thread.

 

[SenorPopOff]

So Kylo is a Skywalker and not a Solo?

 

[diaspora]

So Kylo is a Skywalker and not a Solo?

He's both. His mother is a Skywalker and his father a Solo.

 

[uncelestial]

What the fuck is a Mary Sue
That sounds like a brand of maple syrup

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CommonMarySueTraits

A way for men to complain.

I would lose this look. It's not a good one.

 

[JTripper]

So Kylo is a Skywalker and not a Solo?

He's both bro. In the next film he quits his training and becomes a hippie smuggler the Galaxy will come to know as "Totally Kylo!"

 

[The Librarian]

Not to mention the movie bashes it over your head how powerful Chewie's blaster is. Kylo took that shit full on and was powering through it.

Apparently the movie didn't do a sufficient amount of bashing because so many here are shrugging of the blaster fire as not affecting Kylo too much.

 

[commish]

So Kylo is a Skywalker and not a Solo?

Uh... he's both?

 

[phanphare]

So Kylo is a Skywalker and not a Solo?

leia is a skywalker and han is a solo. ren is both.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

Also Poe Dameron is easily one of the best new characters. So relieved he made it.

 

[Fliesen]

So Kylo is a Skywalker and not a Solo?

huh?

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

What is going to be the dynamic between the 3 main characters going forward? Rey as the Jedi is pretty easy, and we have Poe as the super skilled pilot. So what is Finn's role? Is he the weapons expert? Comedy relief?

Stewing on the movie more (still going to see it again next week), Finn feels closer to Jar-Jar in terms of role. Even with conveniently tucking him away so the hero can go meet Luke. I'm still hoping he has the force in him (there are good hints that he does have it). Otherwise it feels sadly like token black comedy slapstick.

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

A way for men to complain.

Apparently this is what some people have turn it into. A shame really.
No criticizing a bad character, I guess.

 

[hardcastlemccormick]

That's why I said there's really no point in going further with it. I think that this film did need these things, and I laid out why, and you think this film didn't need these things and you laid out why. And if we keep talking about it we'll just keep going around in circles about it.

And I'm making new points and rephrasing my post, which you cropped out of my post. You're the one creating circles when I'm trying to steer into other directions. Furthermore, our discussion might get other people's input.

Do I literally have to spell out the entire point of being on a forum?

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

So Kylo is a Skywalker and not a Solo?

Huh?
No he is a Solo. Why would you think he is a skywalker?

 

[JTripper]

I don't think he should have been given the name Kylo when being knighted as a Ren. His name should be Ben Ren.

 

[Lifejumper]

I like that the name kylo references both solo and skywalker.

 

[WadiumArcadium]

Huh?
No he is a Solo. Why would you think he is a skywalker?

Well Leia is Anakin's daughter.

I like that the name kylo references both solo and skywalker.

I didn't even notice this. Ha.

 

[Cheebo]

Apparently this is what some people have turn it into. A shame really.
No criticizing a bad character, I guess.

The attacks on her character online mostly reek of sexism let's be honest. No one says this shit about perfect male lead characters that we get in blockbusters constantly. Even Lucasfilms story group lead called this out on Twitter yesterday. She is a fantastic character.

 

[Astral Dog]

Finn's battle with the trooper who was wielding an anti-lightsaber club thing was pretty boss.

That was some badass mook, i have a theory he was Finns best friend on the First Order and was very angered by his betrayal, thats why he decided to forge a new weapon for the fated day he would be able to kill his former comrade. And get himself a new pretty suit like Phasma.

 

[JTripper]

I like that the name kylo references both solo and skywalker.

So obvious yet I didn't even make that connection.

 

[pantsmith]

Huh?
No he is a Solo. Why would you think he is a skywalker?

He's not a Skywalker by name, but Vader is his grandfather and Luke is his uncle. He's of the same bloodline as someone who was immaculately conceived via the Force. He's a Skywalker.

 

[Zelias]

I like that the name kylo references both solo and skywalker.

I... never actually realised that.

That's pretty neat.

 

[Dead]

Stewing on the movie more (still going to see it again next week), Finn feels closer to Jar-Jar in terms of role. Even with conveniently tucking him away so the hero can go meet Luke. I'm still hoping he has the force in him (there are good hints that he does have it). Otherwise it feels sadly like token black comedy slapstick.

Seems he's more the charming regular no power sidekick.

I thought Finn was okay at best. A bit too over excited. His energy doesn't really suit what I expected out of a Star Wars movie.

 

[Nabbis]

The only way i can make sense of this crap is either through incompetent writing or the prequels are not canon anymore.

 

[brandonh83]

The 'Rey' part is indeed Sir Alec Guinness (comes from the line: He betrayed and murdered your father.) 'These are your first steps' is said by Ewan Mcgregor.

So, that's clever, but why not just have Ewan say Rey instead of cutting it from that lol

 

[Messypandas]

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

Well Leia is Anakin's daughter.



I didn't even notice this. Ha.

Yeah but I'm going off of the rules of genealogy.
He is a Solo

He's not a Skywalker by name, but Vader is his grandfather and Luke is his uncle. He's of the same bloodline as someone who was immaculately conceived via the Force. He's a Skywalker.

I thought he was asking by name? Of course he has Skywalker blood

 

[BronsonLee]

The best thing about Rey is her complete inability to not be awesome at everything

And that time she ran at Finn and be looked like he was about to get ran over by a car

 

[RoyalFool]

Late to the party, only just seen it.

Thought it was great, the biggest takeaway from the film is just how likable the new main characters are. Casting and script was bang on!

What probably hit me the hardest was the opening line of the film, the writers took on such a big burden. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure they got paid an equally big paycheck for it but kudos to them setting up a hopefully brilliant trilogy.

The wait for the next one is going to be horrible..

 

[phanphare]

Apparently this is what some people have turn it into. A shame really.
No criticizing a bad character, I guess.

I think her story in the next two movies will justify her arc in this movie

 

[Magnus]