Spiritreaver
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I wonder if Anakin ever speaks to Ben as a ghost. Kid is literally praying to his mask. He could probably use a pep talk.
Come on Hayden, help him out.
Come on Hayden, help him out.
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #2) - One Thumb Up
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MisterHero
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"What have you done my ship?" x 10000Neither will Han and Lando.
Ragnorok64
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Maybe it's because I keep hearing about how much Harrison Ford dislikes Star Wars, but was anyone actually surprised at Han's death? I mean it was super telegraphed in the actual film, but I honestly never expected the character to survive this movie. Especially after I saw how much screen time he was getting and that Rey was completing his sentences and fixing the Falcon and stuff.
I fear for R2 over the course of this trilogy since BB-8 bacically does exactly what he does.
I fear for R2 over the course of this trilogy since BB-8 bacically does exactly what he does.
Seventy_X_Seven
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That's actually one of my favorite things about the OT. As a bit of a dreamer I like to believe that is never too late to be redeemed/forgiven no matter how horrible and evil you are, so long as you truly desire and earned that redemption. Vader is a great representation of that and I love it.
BudokaiMR2
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Maybe everyone should just start carrying around lighters and respond to any thumbs up with that.
I am actually okay with that. lol
FlashbladeGAF
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yeah I like the nonchalant way they did it.
I said HOLY SHIT!
Way to distract us with Rey in the trailers JJ. It's so obvious when you think about it but the marketing made it a point to have us think of Leia when seeing Rey.
Not really. Agreed, it was telegraphed but I was still glad I wasn't spoiled. It's for the best that he's gone.
LookAtMeGo
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I hope they have a funeral scene for Han in the next film and Lando shows up with revenge in his eyes.
eyeball_kid
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But...Sir Alec Guinness. Even Leia tried to cop a bit of a British thing in the OT. But yeah I get it, can't have a Disney film without American heroes.
MassiveNights
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You are correct.
This guy can probably beat Kylo Ren in a melee fight.
/tv/ is in love with this guy for some reason.
Lando and Poe should tag team and rekt Kylo Ren in a dogfight as he tries to escape in a TIE-fighter, after being embarrassed by Rey and Finn in combat yet again.
MassiveNights
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When that Stormtrooper was dicking around with that electric melee weapon I kind of wanted Finn to blast him a la Raiders.
boredofcanada
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Too many holes in the plot and too similar to A New Hope. Maybe the next one won't be rushed to production.
CrichtonKicks
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They do have a fleet (that was supposedly largely taken out with the Starkiller attack) but the New Republic itself was largely demilitarized (similar the Japan after WW2).
The First Order is a legitimately recognized government so they weren't invading the Republic's territory or taking sovereign planets from them so the Republic didn't have cause to go to war with them (they even have treaties governing the size of the TFO's military and it's makeup but TFO is obviously ignoring that). The most that the Republic will do is provide a small amount of aid (presumably financial and some military hardware) to the Resistance.
I wasn't expecting it going into the film, but once Leah told him to bring their son back and they had that long embrace, I thought - this is their goodbye moment. That got increasingly clear as time went on.
On that note, Leah basically killed Han by telling him to bring Kylo back. He was like Kylo is gone forever and Leah is all, no you can save him! I wonder if his closing thoughts, falling down the shaft, were about how spectacularly wrong she was.
FlashbladeGAF
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It was telegraphed on purpose.
Han Solo... You're a dead man! (Freighter scene)
Still hurt when it happened.
I grew up watching Star Wars on average once a year (Christmas time) I used to play it with my brother.
I've known Star Wars all my life.
Seeing Han die, was watching someone I knew die.
I got the impression that the Resistance is clandestine in its operations. In other words "plausible deniability" is an answer I've seen tossed around.
But really, we know barely anything about the Resistance or First Order in this movie outside of their relationship with one another.
R2 has cheated death many, many times.
He deserves a hero's final glory.
So in an interview with Iko Uwais, the lead from The Raid films a.k.a. Kanjiklub dude, it's confirmed that a bit of their scene with the Rathtars were cut when he straight up says their scene was shorter than he expected. Also, he describes some of the struggles to move in his costume suggesting there was more than just running and gunning. Juicier, however, is that his character seems to be alive and that they could bring them back. Yayan Ruhian when asked the same thing said he couldn't confirm nor deny it. So basically we should expect an extended cut of the alien sequence with most probably actual fighting and the gang may return in the sequel. Sounds good to me.
Personally I would have liked to have seen more of her day to day life. Sure the film did a good job of establishing that, showing what it needed. But I think giving that portion of the film more time is a good opportunity to give context to the events going on in the film and how it effects the residents of Jakku.
What are they a republic of? Did they take the core worlds back from the Empire? How many systems make up the Republic, does it span most the galaxy like the old republic did in the prequels? There is no context to the threat that is the first order. How many systems are under their control, etc? Because all we see are a couple star destroyers and Star Killer Base. There is no reference or explanation to how big the threat it. Nor the resistance. What are they resisting? What are they trying to stop? Where are they based out of. All the is hinted at it that the Republic is funding them in some sort of proxy war.
In A New Hope, they gave us all we needed to know. The Empire controlled most the galaxy and a handful of star systems were in rebellion operating with hit and run tactics. The backdrop in this movie is vague and confusing. Not saying it was a bad movie though.
SolarMystic
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Just saw it yesterday. I didn't care for Kylo or General Hux. Other than that, a really solid movie, one that I would place above the entire prequel trilogy for sure. Would appreciate more info on the whole backstory of whats going on in the galaxy. Almost seems like an episode 3 remake, with the new empire destroying the republic (AGAIN) and taking control. Would have liked to see a more organised and official resistance to the First Order.
Oh and I was also pretty bummed about Phasma basically not even being in the movie. We need more Phasma.
Oh and I was also pretty bummed about Phasma basically not even being in the movie. We need more Phasma.
MassiveNights
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Han says early on "I'll talk my way out of this like I always do", hubris that eventually catches up to him after 4 films when he confronts his son.
Admiral Woofington
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Chewie sure got over the death of Han fairly quick. Like he was raging for a bit but when they got to the rebel base he was all DOO DOO DOO walking to the base DOO DOO DOO
I mean if my best friend I was always with died I would be at least a bit depressed afterwards.
I mean if my best friend I was always with died I would be at least a bit depressed afterwards.
PHOENIXZERO
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Jedi training preferably started with young children. It's not just that when someone's older they couldn't proficiently wield the force but can make it harder compared to children because their minds haven't been shaped yet by life experiences (childhood innocence and all that) on top of life experiences had as you age without the Jedi teachings can lead to a greater chance of falling to the dark side. Of course then there's the techniques and all that too but I don't think those aren't the most important part of the training.
If anything the Rey helmet scene shows that in a sense she's still got a bit of that day dreaming, child like wonder in her... Or something.
If anything the Rey helmet scene shows that in a sense she's still got a bit of that day dreaming, child like wonder in her... Or something.
It's funny, almost every time I see someone say about a movie "The plot had too many holes," they don't say what those plot holes were. (And when they do, they almost never actually are "holes" in the plot.)
LookAtMeGo
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Kylo probably doesnt even know how to fly a TIE-fighter.
Is this really true though? I mean Luke is a farmer who has lived his entire life in relative comfort under the support of two loving foster parents. Is it really more believable that someone like that would be a super ace pilot after just following Han Solo around for a few days? I don't think skill rubs off that way!
On the other hand, Rey is portrayed as a survivor in a hostile environment since young, able to fend for herself, knows a lot about ship electronics, hangs out in a junkyard cum refueling/repair hub all day, and is a huge rebel alliance fangirl. Her ability to ace stuff in the Falcon is overdone for sure, but it's overdone in the same way everything in Star Wars tends to be overdone. Anakin's "natural talent" as a little kid in TPM was far more hilarious.
Yo for sure Anakin killing a space station is a joke.
Luke spends an unspecified amount of time at the Rebel base and he has R2D2 as his copilot. I don't think hanging around Han reasonably would run off on Luke but I'm saying it's a very different dramatic situation.
Nobody's surprised to see Luke go against the Death Star because he's the damn hero and of course he's going to show up at the Final Battle. Everybody's surprised to see Rey stunting because they don't know anything at all about her. I don't think anyone would have minded if Rey just sloppily got the Falcon into the air. She's unknown and that woulda made dramatic sense: the reluctant plucky hero flies unsurely, escapes by the skin of her teeth.
Rey's ultra-competency is kind of dissonant with our expectations that she's a dirt-farmer nobody. So like yeah, we should incorporate the new evidence into our expectation for her. I'm just saying people's reluctance to do that doesn't have to come from her being a lady. A New Hope eases Luke into competency, this one dunks Rey into it.
Was he? Or was he just so ashamed that he couldn't protect Han that he couldn't look Leia in the eye?
FlashbladeGAF
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I guess you missed the scene where he was sulking/whining/depressed right before R2D2 woke up
Kitschkraft
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I mean, he clearly tried to kill him. Why coma and not bacta-tank, or just critical condition, or awake but currently immobile, etc?
There may be a plot-reason for leaving him in a coma, but I don't see how it has anything to do with Ren's motivations. Finn is just some deserter/traitor to him, and he was about to finish the job until Rey shocked him and diverted his attention to her.
Saw it twice today haha. Loved it both times, even more the 2nd time. There were two things I noticed that I disliked though.
1. "I happened to crash land on the one spot on this entire planet that is within walking distance of the one village the character i need to meet is at." Finn's Tie Fighter crash on Jakku. Comon. That trope is so lame.
2. The Captain Phasam "lowering the shields" scene. Not only was it ridiculous to think that one of, if not the, highest ranking Stormtrooper could be captured so easily, and brought into a room which I would imagine should be rather important considering it operates the base's shields without tripping any sort of alarm, but she was convinced so easily as well and the shields were so weirdly easy to deactivate. The whole scene just felt really lazy and dumb, and wasted what character she could have had. I mean fuck at least make her put up a fight and only give in once Chewy takes her down a notch or something.
But still though, what a time to be alive. A new, exciting episode to Star Wars is really here.
1. "I happened to crash land on the one spot on this entire planet that is within walking distance of the one village the character i need to meet is at." Finn's Tie Fighter crash on Jakku. Comon. That trope is so lame.
2. The Captain Phasam "lowering the shields" scene. Not only was it ridiculous to think that one of, if not the, highest ranking Stormtrooper could be captured so easily, and brought into a room which I would imagine should be rather important considering it operates the base's shields without tripping any sort of alarm, but she was convinced so easily as well and the shields were so weirdly easy to deactivate. The whole scene just felt really lazy and dumb, and wasted what character she could have had. I mean fuck at least make her put up a fight and only give in once Chewy takes her down a notch or something.
But still though, what a time to be alive. A new, exciting episode to Star Wars is really here.
Admiral Woofington
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Was he? Or was he just so ashamed that he couldn't protect Han that he couldn't look Leia in the eye?
I already know he's a hugger. Not even a sad hug
Must've missed it I was too focused on R2D2 and Ball2d2 robot bonding
Despite the US having a fully organized and funded military force, for political reasons we insist on training and funding Kurdish and Arab militia fighters to fight back against ISIS.
Same principle.
OricWindstar
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Eh, no different than Luke crashing right next to Yoda.
Ragnorok64
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I think it's still canon but Chewie is like 200+ years old. He's been through some rough times. I can get him being able to deal with Han's death through action,
I knew Han Solo wasn't getting out of this film alive when they announced Harrison Ford would be returning.
He wanted this character killed off 33 years ago. He came back this time for the money grab. He's made it very clear the last decade or so that he's still doing this for the money - which ironically makes him very Han Solo-like.
I'm pleased he put some real effort into this, but lets not kid ourselves..no way was this guy signing up for three more of these movies.
He's played my most favorite characters over the years, but I still think he's kind of a dick. He's a curmudgeon at times that has seemed to be disgusted with the way people have emotionally attached themselves to his characters...much much more so than he ever has. Its been about money to him first and foremost.
He wanted this character killed off 33 years ago. He came back this time for the money grab. He's made it very clear the last decade or so that he's still doing this for the money - which ironically makes him very Han Solo-like.
I'm pleased he put some real effort into this, but lets not kid ourselves..no way was this guy signing up for three more of these movies.
He's played my most favorite characters over the years, but I still think he's kind of a dick. He's a curmudgeon at times that has seemed to be disgusted with the way people have emotionally attached themselves to his characters...much much more so than he ever has. Its been about money to him first and foremost.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
It's not that adults are harder to train in the force, it's that adults fall more easy to temptation. So the key is preventing them from turning to the dark side and that's easier to instill as a child, vs an adult when you already have preconceived notions of the world and can USE the power for a specific end. Whereas the Jedi prefer to teach children a specific (I.e knowledge and defense) application of the power.
No reason an adult can't pick it up and kick ass with it- look at Luke. Two hours training and blocking blaster fire on the Falcon like he was born to. Zero telekinesis training, and he's whipping light sabers out of the snow to save himself.
Considering what Maz told Rey about the force, and Ren invading her mind and her being able to read his back... That's as much if not more "knowledge" of the Force than Luke got in A New Hope anyway. Also Anakin was using force reflexes as a pod racer before he ever met Qui Gon. Pretty par for the course for a Skywalker.
Admiral Woofington
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My favorite audience moment actually in Alamo was when they were doing their pre show stuff and during one of them they had the life day song playing, and everybody in the theater was like "OH GOD NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
Isn't the First Order a junta?
CrichtonKicks
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Or the droids crash landing close to where Obi-Wan lives. And then happen to get sold to Luke Skywalker.
In terms of governance? Yes, it seems so.
FlashbladeGAF
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I'll give you 2
But 1 is the force dude.
Finn is the driving force for EVERYTHING.
The force guided him. Strike him down he will comeback more powerful then you could ever imagine.
I thought The New Order was too vague in their motivations. If I were to write the story (haha) I would have had the Order function closer to a religious Jihad centered around bringing back the Sith or something. Also, I didn't like Oscar Isaac's acting, but it could have been just cheesy moments sprinkled through the script, which is a very Star Wars thing anyway so it wasn't the worst thing.
I give it somewhere around an 8/10. Definitely the best mega-blockbuster of the year, but nowhere close to best film.
I give it somewhere around an 8/10. Definitely the best mega-blockbuster of the year, but nowhere close to best film.
Is that the whopping difference? Rey being able to fly the Millennium Falcon?
eyeball_kid
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I really liked her land speeder, and the cargo pouch that fit onto it. Good design. It was a nice bit of tech world-building in a film that had very little new to offer us.
I believe someone in the prior thread who read the novelization said that the Republic leader decided to demilitarize after a peace treaty with the Empire post-ROTJ. Leia was concerned about their remnants and convinced the government to give her some funding for a force to keep an eye on the First Order.
What the First Order's goal is, that's unclear. Do they want to be Empire 2.0? Start a Holy War? Who knows.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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Goddamn this reading just left me devastated. That poor furry son of a bitch...Was he? Or was he just so ashamed that he couldn't protect Han that he couldn't look Leia in the eye?
FlashbladeGAF
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actually I must agree that all discussions of rey's use of the force pale in comparison to the canonical destruction of the famous Trade Federation droid control ship by force-sensitive ABSOLUTELY NO TRAINING ABOUT THE FORCE YET Anakin Skywalker:
9 years old folks.
If you watch the sequence everyone else is essentially useless (there are no characters you'd care about anyway), it's pretty much Anakin single-handedly completing the full climactic "blow up the thing" mission.
9 years old folks.
What does Luke and the droid training have to do with Rey and flying the Falcon? She says she's a pilot and knows how to fly things, she probably has a good understanding of how to fly and was able to figure it out pretty easily.
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