[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #2) - One Thumb Up

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Toxi said:
Han's death got a hell of a lot more reaction from Chewie than Alderaan's destruction did from Leia. Leia doesn't even acknowledge her planet's destruction after the scene where she witnesses it. She even comforts Luke over Obi-Wan's death despite her suffering a far greater loss.
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Alderaan gets: Leia reaction; Kenobi reaction complete with iconic, poetic line; Falcon comes out of hyperspace into the smoldering rubble of Alderaan. The Entire Republic gets: some people we never met looking up in confusion; Finn glancing up at some fireworks.

Finn is way more affected by the village massacre than the Republic massacre, and the same holds for the audience.
 
boredofcanada said:
Yeah all of a sudden the being able to fly the millennium falcon perfectly is a plot hole. Why be on Jakku at all then, if you can do that.
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waiting for her family


If you miss such an important piece of info that was told numerous times, maybe you should stop complaining and start asking questions.

Brakke said:
Alderaan gets: Leia reaction; Kenobi reaction complete with iconic, poetic line; Falcon comes out of hyperspace into the smoldering rubble of Alderaan. The Entire Republic gets: some people we never met looking up in confusion; Finn glancing up at some fireworks.

Finn is way more affected by the village massacre than the Republic massacre, and the same holds for the audience.
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You can thank the prequels for our lack of emotion. JJ was probably saying, you don't have to worry about senate talk in this film.
 
Gnome said:
She stayed on purpose, lying to herself about the return of her family.
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Someone suggested to me that her mind is purposely clouded until she meets Maz. As though she is programmed to stay on Jakku. As soon as she leaves the Planet she wants to go right back.
Interesting theory.
 
Donthizz# said:
Am i only one who thinks that Rey is one of Lukes apprentices?
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Just an apprentice?



Until it's shown otherwise she's his daughter and her mother is a probable force sensitive person as the new Mara Jade. Throw in the Kenobi theory as that being Rey's mom being Obi-Wan's secret love child with Satine or something who Luke met at some point in the 10 or so years after Endor. Rey doesn't remember because she had her memory "wiped" and power closed off like Revan in KOTOR. That can be the eventual conflict she'll have.

Boom.
 
Sorcerer said:
Someone suggested to me that her mind is purposely clouded until she meets Maz. As though she is programmed to stay on Jakku. As soon as she leaves the Planet she wants to go right back.
Interesting theory.
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I'm liking all these Manchurian Candidate theories for Rey and Finn.

TheRedSnifit said:
Episode V: Spends entire movie whining to Vader, and then runs away
Episode VI: Shows up for 30 seconds before Han accidentally pushes him into a hole.
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ftfy
 
Brakke said:
Alderaan gets: Leia reaction; Kenobi reaction complete with iconic, poetic line; Falcon comes out of hyperspace into the smoldering rubble of Alderaan. The Entire Republic gets: some people we never met looking up in confusion; Finn glancing up at some fireworks.

Finn is way more affected by the village massacre than the Republic massacre, and the same holds for the audience.
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I agree the Starkiller base scene was less impactful than Alderaan, which is why I was talking about Han's death and not Starkiller base blowing up some random planets. No idea why you quoted my post for that.
 
FlashbladeGAF said:
waiting for her family


If you miss such an important piece of info that was told numerous times, maybe you should stop complaining and start asking questions.
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The whole movie apparently was one big plot hole, in that he didn't grasp any of it.

EDIT: And apparently only nerds pay attention to dialogue in films.
 
boredofcanada said:
About what, how much more of a nerd you are than me?
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If being a nerd means I can understand when someone is talking english....

Then yes, I'm a nerd.

What are you?


She practically says she wants to go back because of her family 3-4 times.

How this makes me a nerd, I don't know, but whatever makes you happy
 
Just came back from the theater, and I loved it. Kylo Ren was a pretty cool villain, I really wish they did a flashback of him betraying Luke Skywalker. I also hope from his battle wounds from Rey that the New Order are going to make him into Darth Vader 2.0.

My girlfriend joked that the movie would have been better if Jar Jar Binks was Kylo Ren
 
Sectorseven said:
I hope not, because that would mean the Jedi are still indoctrinating five year olds.
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it's always been the case no?

My theory is Kylo and Ren were both training under Luke. Kylo does something really naughty , breaks Luke's heart.

Luke flees with Rey, hides her on Jakku and does some kind of a Jedi mind trick on her to keep her there.
 
The thing is, Starkiller and fake Coruscant are a side story in this movie, while the Death Star was the focal point in ANH. And btw you see people reacting on their planet exploding, that was enough for me, no need to hear a sad dialogue.
 
I guess I can't really criticize anyone for not paying attention to the movie when I literally had to ask a friend if Finn was alive at the end.
 
Sorcerer said:
Someone suggested to me that her mind is purposely clouded until she meets Maz. As though she is programmed to stay on Jakku. As soon as she leaves the Planet she wants to go right back.
Interesting theory.
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That's the impression I got as well. I originally thought she was a slave with an implant or something, keeping her in the planet, but her single minded determination to stay/go back make it seem like that was likely a Force suggestion planted there.
 
Kitschkraft said:
I mean, he clearly tried to kill him. Why coma and not bacta-tank, or just critical condition, or awake but currently immobile, etc?

There may be a plot-reason for leaving him in a coma, but I don't see how it has anything to do with Ren's motivations. Finn is just some deserter/traitor to him, and he was about to finish the job until Rey shocked him and diverted his attention to her.
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We probably still get same end result which is Finn being non-responsive to Rey friendzoning him regardless of how he's knocked out. Out of all the options you listed a coma was the one they went with. I fully expect one of the first scenes of VIII to be Finn waking up with Poe at his bedside. If its not then that's bullshit and Rian Johnson should feel bad.
 
Toxi said:
I agree the Starkiller base scene was less impactful than Alderaan, which is why I was talking about Han's death and not Starkiller base blowing up some random planets. No idea why you quoted my post for that.
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Alderaan got a lot more reaction than just Leia's.
 
It was a fun space movie. Solid 7/10. It being a rehash of New Hope + insane success at destroying an entire planet sized death star, which is a badass concept, really turned me off. Still had fun with it though.



thefit said:
Finn is also a force user right? He seemed to grow a conscious the minute he arrived on Jakuu and Kylo seemed to sense it right?
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No, he was raised a Storm Trooper that later malfunctioned in the middle of his first ever battle.
 
Sorcerer said:
Someone suggested to me that her mind is purposely clouded until she meets Maz. As though she is programmed to stay on Jakku. As soon as she leaves the Planet she wants to go right back.
Interesting theory.
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I don't really know much about Star Wars, but does the force allow for memory wipes and stuff? I thought Old Ben said it only worked on the weak-minded or something.
 
Vampirolol said:
The thing is, Starkiller and fake Coruscant are a side story in this movie, while the Death Star was the focal point in ANH. And btw you see people reacting on their planet exploding, that was enough for me, no need to hear a sad dialogue.
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Coruscant wasn't in this movie.

So like. There clearly wasn't enough dialog lol.
 
duckroll said:
Especially with how easily it can be seen as a "lol the black man is a slave after all" plot point.
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Ooooh, I hadn't even thought of that.

That's symbolism they're going to want to dodge like a laser blast. They're already subverting a ton of tropes with Finn off this one movie alone, too.
 
creatinegene said:
Just came back from the theater, and I loved it. Kylo Ren was a pretty cool villain, I really wish they did a flashback of him betraying Luke Skywalker. I also hope from his battle wounds from Rey that the New Order are going to make him into Darth Vader 2.0.

My girlfriend joked that the movie would have been better if Jar Jar Binks was Kylo Ren
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didn't they do just that? Like he stabs an alien dude through the chest when Rey is having visions.
 
Ragnorok64 said:
That's the impression I got as well. I originally thought she was a slave with an implant or something, keeping her in the planet, but her single minded determination to stay/go back make it seem like that was likely a Force suggestion planted there.
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I feel like we could legit get a Revan twist now.


Like she's actually part of the Knights of Ren
 
Brakke said:
Alderaan got a lot more reaction than just Leia's.
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Sure, and Han's death got a lot more reaction than just Chewie's.

But I don't think one can seriously say Han's death was given less importance by the movie than Alderaan's destruction. It helps we actually knew who Han was and got to know him through the Force Awakens, while Alderaan was just some random planet Leia was said to be from.
 
Miss.Selfdestruct said:
It was a fun space movie. Solid 7/10. It being a rehash of New Hope + insane success at destroying an entire planet sized death star, which is a badass concept, really turned me off. Still had fun with it though.





No, he was raised a Storm Trooper that later malfunctioned in the middle of his first ever battle.
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He was also a janitor up until that point.
 
boredofcanada said:
Yeah all of a sudden the being able to fly the millennium falcon perfectly is a plot hole. Why be on Jakku at all then, if you can do that.
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Wait, are you saying her being on Jakku is a plot hole because she can fly a ship? They specifically explained that. Hell, it's a big part of her character arc in the movie. And worse yet, if you think her skills of flying the millennium falcon are not realistic enough, then the whole Star Wars franchise is a plot hole. Because stuff like that happens all the damn time.
 
Rey being a Kenobi also makes sense because the name Luke Skywalker doesn't seem to make her go "oh hey I had that Surname too".

Whereas if she's the grand daughter/Neice of Kenobi, his surname isn't mentioned in TFA, and maybe Kenobi is not mentioned in the Stories about the Jedi Rey/Finn have heard etc.

Or maybe she did know of her grandad, but only as Ben Kenobi but not Obi-Wan that's in the Stories.

Sorry tired ramblings if it don't make sense.
 
Other than a clear difference in acting ability. I don't see how Kylo Ren is any more sympathetic than Anakin was. Is it just prequel hate? I think they're both pretty similar angsty villains.
 
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