[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #2) - One Thumb Up

Status
Not open for further replies.
Kin5290 said:
Wasn't she five?

Yeah, this "Rey is the secret villain" thing is pretty dumb.
Click to expand...

Fun af though, right?

ProudCanuck said:
Oh wow just imagine. the final shot is Rey fighting for Darth Plageous and Ren fighting for Luke in the same battle like scene as the final battle in the movie. Rey goes to the dark side because of too much power and Ren comes to the light because his mother dies (the opposite of what happens to Vader)
Click to expand...

That would be cool.
 
Abrams on Kylo Ren

"Kylo Ren idolizes Darth Vader, not Anakin Skywalker. He idolizes what Vader represents and what Vader was trying to do. The idea that Vader didn't succeed, if you look at it from Ren's point of view, he was seduced by the enemy and failed because of that seduction. So the idea is that Ren wants to complete the thing that Vader started....The story for him is one of conflict -- not just external conflict, but internal conflict, and it's what makes him, I think, an interesting villain." - See more at: http://www.themovienetwork.com/arti...gs-and-spoilery-insights#sthash.tQn7TLKn.dpuf
Click to expand...
 
Rey and BB-8 fit so well together though. :(

So last night, I took the wife out for birthday dinner, and there was a table next to us, ranging from grandparents to younglings. They had just went and saw TFA, and it was so cool to see that link between the older family members who grew up on the OT, then the late 20's crowd that likely grew up on the PT, and now the young kids who's first theater experience for Star Wars was TFA.

I really need to go see it again for the third time.
 
peanutbutterlatte said:
I guarantee Driver has got more action than your cousin will in his lifetime.
Click to expand...

lol Adam Driver is a handsome man.

He should never grow facial hair, but that's just my opinion.

nemss said:
So last night, I took the wife out for birthday dinner, and there was a table next to us, ranging from grandparents to younglings. They had just went and saw TFA, and it was so cool to see that link between the older family members who grew up on the OT, then the late 20's crowd that likely grew up on the PT, and now the young kids who's first theater experience for Star Wars was TFA.
Click to expand...

There were some kids in the row behind me on Friday talking about how old they were when they saw RotS. It warmed my heart.
 
Was Kylo punching his open side wound to get amped up on adrenaline, like some kind of masochist?

I thought that was a really nice touch and showed his craziness runs deeper than we suspected. It's one thing when he has frequent temper tantrums, or goes through with killing a family member, which he's talked himself into for years, but it's another when he's self-harming to get that berserker blood flowing.
 
Arkeband said:
Was Kylo punching his open side wound to get amped up on adrenaline, like some kind of masochist?

I thought that was a really nice touch and showed his craziness runs deeper than we suspected. It's one thing when he has frequent temper tantrums, or goes through with killing a family member, which he's talked himself into for years, but it's another when he's self-harming to get that berserker blood flowing.
Click to expand...

I read it as someone who needed to be hyped up.. pain, suffering etc fuels the dark side.
 
Solo said:
Can we have no Carrie Fisher in the sequels please? She was horrendous in this.
Click to expand...

Agreed. I would be totally cool with them adding this to the Blu-Ray release, and then she is never seen in Episode 8:


xFYpC2X.png
 
Arkeband said:
Was Kylo punching his open side wound to get amped up on adrenaline, like some kind of masochist?

I thought that was a really nice touch and showed his craziness runs deeper than we suspected. It's one thing when he has frequent temper tantrums, or goes through with killing a family member, which he's talked himself into for years, but it's another when he's self-harming to get that berserker blood flowing.
Click to expand...

Yeah, something like that. Maybe a more Star Warsy version of that. Like he was focusing on the pain and anger to help himself further channel the dark side in that moment.
 
DrROBschiz said:
She murdered everyone and is why Ben went dark

Luke wiped her memory and hid her away

He was sad to see that he made the wrong choice in the end
Click to expand...

Except we see her flashback of being left on Jakku as a child. So unless she was a murderess at the tender age of ~5ish, it doesn't work.
 
Sheentak said:
Did Ren lose his hand at the end? I couldn't tell. What facial injuries did he get
Did Finn lose his hand?
Click to expand...

Didn't look like anyone lost a hand. A few knicks and burns, but the two big injuries were that Finn takes a huge slice across the back, and Kylo Ren takes a huge slash up the face. Didn't look like any of his eyes or anything were damaged, he'll probably have a nasty scar in the next two though.
 
Sheentak said:
Did Ren lose his hand at the end? I couldn't tell. What facial injuries did he get
Did Finn lose his hand?
Click to expand...

Kylo got grazed by Rey across the shoulder and face, leaving a nasty scar. Fourth time I watched it I specifically watched to see if he still had his hand and he did. Finn did not lose a hand either.
 
Carrie Fisher was fine. It's not like she wasn't able to pull of the lines they gave her. I think people are just adverse to seeing an old women
 
Arkeband said:
Was Kylo punching his open side wound to get amped up on adrenaline, like some kind of masochist?

I thought that was a really nice touch and showed his craziness runs deeper than we suspected. It's one thing when he has frequent temper tantrums, or goes through with killing a family member, which he's talked himself into for years, but it's another when he's self-harming to get that berserker blood flowing.
Click to expand...

It's been commented on a few times. Some people have said that it's something individuals who are injured in the military while in the field do in order to distract themselves from the pain of a wound/injury so that they can continue to concentrate and perform unimpeded (which seems to be the most likely reason); Adam Driver, having served in the military, would be aware of this and threw it into the character. Others have suggested that he was doing it to increase his pain, to try and add fuel to the dark side and increase adrenaline so he could continue to fight in spite of his injury.
 
My current theories:

- Kylo turns to the dark side as a way of trying to seize control of his own destiny. Han and Leia talk about how they sent him to Luke because they were worried he would become another Vader without a teacher. But this seems as though it was actually the problem. We see that Kylo is very sensitive to being called a monster ("creature in a mask"); this is because he resents his family for fearing him and forcing him away, and allies with the side that makes him feel like he can embrace who he really is. This is why he is also hyper-sensitive to "traitors"; from his POV, everyone in his life has betrayed him.

My thoughts on this, from the old spoiler thread:

I think we got a lot more insight into Kylo's fall than most people realize at first glance. I think Finn and Rey are supposed to be obvious foils to Kylo, and Anakin's fall a prototype for Kylo's fall.

Anakin has a great destiny thrust upon him by the Jedi, who believe him to be the Chosen One and are trying to train him to achieve their expected outcome of the prophecy. Though he eagerly accepts Jedi training, we see that his priorities do not necessarily align with the Jedi: he wants to come back to free his mother (and earlier he expresses the expectation that Qui-Gon would free all the slaves). Once Anakin decides his alignment with the Jedi constrains his own personal agenda - both his desire to save the people he loves and his belief that justice can brought to the galaxy by "someone wise" who will enforce peace - he turns on them.

Likewise, Kylo is conscripted into Luke's Jedi school, also presumably not by choice, and probably not with a clear agreement on the agenda that underlies his training (to keep him on the path of good, which would naturally be against his impulses if Han & Leia were worried there was too much of Vader in him). This makes him very susceptible to being seduced by outside influences that purport to give him greater agency: like Snoke. Since he has no real control over the direction his life is going based on the circumstances of his training, he's able to be persuaded to turn against his teacher, as well as the far-from-perfect family that sent him there, to take control of his own destiny.

Finn goes through a similar character arc, but in the opposite direction. He's conscripted into the First Order from birth, and eventually comes to realize that what he's fighting for isn't right. He makes the choice to leave - the first time he's ever able to exercise a real sense of self. He is symbolically named by Poe at the same time to show that he is no longer just a number, but a complete human being.

And Rey faces the exact opposite circumstances that Kylo does. She isn't forced into Jedi training; she's left to her own devices and makes a conscious decision on her own to take up the lightsaber and let the Force guide her. Thus, she's put in a position of total agency about her affiliation with the Force. In the end, her journey to Luke represents her acceptance of the Force and the path of the Jedi - a path that she chose for herself.
Click to expand...

- Luke sends Rey away out of fear that the last of his own will turn just like Kylo did. He wants to give her a chance to choose to accept Jedi training. He leaves the map with Lor San Tekka on Jakku as a "breadcrumb" for her to find, but the Resistance convinces him that the First Order is a great enough threat that the map is needed. Han "losing" the Falcon on Jakku may or may not also be a pretense to watch over Rey (he clearly knows who she is). The lightsaber is even a clue - Rey needs a chance to be drawn into the struggle in order to encounter R2, who has the rest of the map, at the Resistance base.

- No redemption for Kylo. If you paid any attention to the imagery in Han's death scene, you probably noticed that there was a pale blue light across half his face when the two met on the bridge. He then killed Han as soon as the light disappeared from the sky, leaving him cloaked in the dead red glow of the oscillator.
 
Real Hero said:
Carrie Fisher was fine. It's not like she wasn't able to pull of the lines they gave her. I think people are just adverse to seeing an old women
Click to expand...

Eh, people love Queen of Thorns on GoT. I think Fisher did fine, the material written for her just wasn't that interesting.
 
Real Hero said:
Carrie Fisher was fine. It's not like she wasn't able to pull of the lines they gave her. I think people are just adverse to seeing an old women
Click to expand...

She was a little stiff, honestly, but they gave her the worst dialogue in the movie. Han and Leia being reunited was great, but the fact that all of their scenes together after that were exposition about Kylo Ren, with some of the worst dialogue in the film about "Our Son," definitely did not give her much to work with.
 
Arkeband said:
Was Kylo punching his open side wound to get amped up on adrenaline, like some kind of masochist?

I thought that was a really nice touch and showed his craziness runs deeper than we suspected. It's one thing when he has frequent temper tantrums, or goes through with killing a family member, which he's talked himself into for years, but it's another when he's self-harming to get that berserker blood flowing.
Click to expand...

Yeah, I think it was because, y'know, the dark side feeds on pain and anger, so he was ramping that up to keep his dark force flowing. Really, really great touch.

Inferno313 said:
Didn't look like anyone lost a hand. A few knicks and burns, but the two big injuries were that Finn takes a huge slice across the back, and Kylo Ren takes a huge slash up the face. Didn't look like any of his eyes or anything were damaged, he'll probably have a nasty scar in the next two though.
Click to expand...

Doesn't an object fly off to the right hand side and thump in the ground?

When I first watched it I blinked when Rey struck him down and saw an object fly off tothe right and thump in the ground - like a black object in cloth. I legit thought she had decapitated him. Was stunned for a moment before we saw him staring like o_o.

Inferno313 said:
She was a little stiff, honestly, but they gave her the worst dialogue in the movie. Han and Leia being reunited was great, but the fact that all of their scenes together after that were exposition about Kylo Ren, with some of the worst dialogue in the film about "Our Son," definitely did not give her much to work with.
Click to expand...

Yeah, a real pity. She looked and sounded the part, but that dialogue...
 
Lights and Waves said:
Also, another thing that I spotted in my second viewing of the film. At the end of the film, R2-D2 is Rey's companion. BB-8 stays with Poe. Happy to have R2 back!
Click to expand...
Why is R2s reys companion? He was so sad that Luke left he went on low energy mode to search for him.

Kind of defeats the purpose of missing his master if he now leaves with the first girl he meets. Unless she is a Skywalker and he wants to continue with them seeing how he went from anakin to Luke.

All I saw in the ending is that he came with Chewie and her as the search party to find Luke
 
In my efforts to remain as unnspoiled as possible I totally ignored toys and merchandising. Does Rey have much going on toywise? Judging by how these things are usually handled, toy makers aren't given the whole plot before hand. So I'd assume there may not be many Rey toys and probably not many if any that me with a blue lightsaber. Am I going to have to buy both a Finn and Rey figure to get her a lightsaber?

Also how much do figures cost nowadays?
 
SomTervo said:
Yeah, I think it was because, y'know, the dark side feeds on pain and anger, so he was ramping that up to keep his dark force flowing. Really, really great touch.



Doesn't an object fly off to the right hand side and thump in the ground?




Yeah, a real pity. She looked and sounded the part, but that dialogue...
When I first watched it I blinked when Rey struck him down and saw the object thump and legit thought she had decapitated. Was stunned for a moment before we saw him staring like o_o.
Click to expand...

She destroyed his lightsaber. At least that is what I took away from it.
 
We're all agreed on the prediction that Rey's staff foreshadows the kind of lightsaber she's going to build for herself, correct?

Girl is getting a green double-bladed lightsaber.

I'll bet money on it.
 
LegendofLex said:
My current theories:

- Kylo turns to the dark side as a way of trying to seize control of his own destiny. Han and Leia talk about how they sent him to Luke because they were worried he would become another Vader without a teacher. But this seems as though it was actually the problem. We see that Kylo is very sensitive to being called a monster ("creature in a mask"); this is because he resents his family for fearing him and forcing him away, and allies with the side that makes him feel like he can embrace who he really is. This is why he is also hyper-sensitive to "traitors"; from his POV, everyone in his life has betrayed him.

My thoughts on this, from the old spoiler thread:



- Luke sends Rey away out of fear that the last of his own will turn just like Kylo did. He wants to give her a chance to choose to accept Jedi training. He leaves the map with Lor San Tekka on Jakku as a "breadcrumb" for her to find, but the Resistance convinces him that the First Order is a great enough threat that the map is needed. Han "losing" the Falcon on Jakku may or may not also be a pretense to watch over Rey (he clearly knows who she is). The lightsaber is even a clue - Rey needs a chance to be drawn into the struggle in order to encounter R2, who has the rest of the map, at the Resistance base.

- No redemption for Kylo. If you paid any attention to the imagery in Han's death scene, you probably noticed that there was a pale blue light across half his face when the two met on the bridge. He then killed Han as soon as the light disappeared from the sky, leaving him cloaked in the dead red glow of the oscillator.
Click to expand...

Yup his is the logical theory

Though it was fun to think about Rey being the monstrous catalyst thats far too dark for what they are trying to achieve here

This is likely spot on for the direction of the movies going forward
 
VistraNorrez said:
Has it been brought up that Maybe it was Kylo that kidnapped young Rey from Luke (she being his daughter), made Luke think he killed her, but in fact Kylo dropped he off on Jakku or with some family that eventually dropped her off on Jakku? We know Kylo struggles with conflict in this film, it might have been even stronger of a pull when he messed up Luke's Academy. He couldn't go through with killing his little cousin. Or maybe he thought he killed her but she managed to survive, and that's why she has amnesia.
Click to expand...

That could be a possibility
 
Ragnorok64 said:
In my efforts to remain as unnspoiled as possible I totally ignored toys and merchandising. Does Rey have much going on toywise? Judging by how these things are usually handled, toy makers aren't given the whole plot before hand. So I'd assume there may not be many Rey toys and probably not many if any that me with a blue lightsaber. Am I going to have to buy both a Finn and Rey figure to get her a lightsaber?

Also how much do figures cost nowadays?
Click to expand...
Well there's this
12310691_10153388820257153_8590253533069071510_n-590x787-jpg.jpg
 
SolidChamp said:
We're all agreed on the prediction that Rey's staff foreshadows the kind of lightsaber she's going to build for herself, correct?

Girl is getting a green double-bladed lightsaber.

I'll bet money on it.
Click to expand...

Kor of Memory said:
I think the only foreshadowing to this is the type of weapon she'll eventually have.

Like, I don't think she'll use a traditional sword style light saber. I expect her to have something like a spear with a light saber on the end of it. Maybe even a shortened one like Yoda's.

Kind of like this for a fighting style: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6OIzsoxtes

Notice how much of a "stabbing" motion she used against Kylo at the end.
Click to expand...
.
 
Episode 8 Wishlist:

- Snoke is pissed at the failure of the starkiller base. General Hux is replaced by not Thrawn aka Benecio Del Toro
- Simultaneous training sequences of Snoke with Kylo Ren and Luke with Rey.
- Kylo Ren learns force lightning
- Rey creates a sick light saber staff
- After training, Kylo Ren doubles his confidence and is obsessed with tracking and killing Rey and Luke
- Find out more stuff about the Jedi temple and that artifact Luke was looking for
- Find out who Rey's parents are
- Poe takes on Finn as an apprentice and Finn becomes more proficient as a pilot and has an epic dogfight with Captain Phasma
- Leia and Chewbacca are still coping with the loss of Han and are determined to deliver a final crippling blow to the First Order
 
Admiral Woofington said:
Why is R2s reys companion? He was so sad that Luke left he went on low energy mode to search for him.

Kind of defeats the purpose of missing his master if he now leaves with the first girl he meets. Unless she is a Skywalker and he wants to continue with them seeing how he went from anakin to Luke.

All I saw in the ending is that he came with Chewie and her as the search party to find Luke
Click to expand...

Luke left him so that when Rey showed up of her own volition R2 could show her the way to Luke. R2 went with Rey to be reunited with Luke.

That was pretty obvious to me (though I am not sure how low powered R2 could sense Rey.)
 
Ragnorok64 said:
In my efforts to remain as unnspoiled as possible I totally ignored toys and merchandising. Does Rey have much going on toywise? Judging by how these things are usually handled, toy makers aren't given the whole plot before hand. So I'd assume there may not be many Rey toys and probably not many if any that me with a blue lightsaber. Am I going to have to buy both a Finn and Rey figure to get her a lightsaber?

Also how much do figures cost nowadays?
Click to expand...

The Disney Infinity figures look predictably fantastic:

heoijlhv9skde6aaaejn.png
Click to expand...
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

  • Poll
Vintage Favorite Star Wars Character Thread (spoilers possible)
41
2K
Lunarorbit replied
Star Wars Maul shadow lord annonced
36
1K
Goalus replied
Star Wars: Starfighter comes to theaters on May 28, 2027, directed by Shawn Levy and starring Ryan Gosling
2
61
2K
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt replied
Disney removes Star Wars from 2026
2 3
148
9K
Interfectum replied
Star Wars: Acolyte Reportedly Introduces Pronouns, The Force as a Female Entity
Social Drama Rumor  2 3 4 5
216
22K
jason10mm replied
Top Bottom