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[2 Slice Toaster]

I hate to go there, but I'm starting to think people wouldn't even be asking that question if Rey was a guy.

Why not just not engage someone if their argument makes you stoop to suggesting something like that?

Don't be an internet warrior.

 

[terrdactycalsrock]

I know this is opening a can of worms, but what is the differences between sith and jedi? From what I can tell the sith uses emotion to control the force, and the jedi wants to eliminate emotion in order to keep balance. But couldn't there be a good guy sith who draws from the emotions of love or happeniness?

 

[Arkeband]

How do you know the Knights scene is even in the past? The vision also shows a premonition of Ren in the snow.

It sucks how Maz doesn't even almost explain how she has that saber. Most of the visions don't require Luke except for the one where he touches R2. It could be the Saber's "memories" but why does someone have it to watch Luke touch R2?

Because Rey was there.

Are you really implying the saber would give those memories to anyone? She's a character who can't explain how she can do all these things, but it makes sense if Luke himself was teaching her since she was a baby, before it all came crashing down and she had to be hidden away for her own safety.

 

[CrichtonKicks]

Especially when you consider that next weekend is Christmas. There's no way the movie doesn't see a massive drop.

Other way around- Christmas is a big movie going holiday. Next weekend will drop less than it would otherwise because of it. Christmas Day had the third most presales for TFA (17th->18th->25th).

The only moment that felt like JJ was infusing a bit of Star Trek into Star Wars was with the Rathtar's on Han and Chewies ship. That whole sequence played out like something I would imagine Kirk and Spock dealing with.

What do you guys think?

I think the execution was weak but the idea was pure Star Wars. Wacky monster attacks were in ANH (Garbage Monster), ESB (Wampa, Asteroid Creature, Swamp Monster) and RotJ (Rancor). It just went on way too long in TFA and the creature design was subpar.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

The only moment that felt like JJ was infusing a bit of Star Trek into Star Wars was with the Rathtar's on Han and Chewies ship. That whole sequence played out like something I would imagine Kirk and Spock dealing with.

What do you guys think?

Felt the exam same way...scene felt like just an excuse to show off a cool cgi monster and nothing more. Would fit right in with his Star Treks.

 

[MMarston]

Speaking of Asian films.


Here's how I totally expect a Knights of Ren vs. Rey battle to happen

 

[timewyrm]

IF Rey is related to Ren, she can be just as powerful as him, just not as trained. But the raw power will be there. IIRC the OT/PT mentioned opening one's self to the Force; if you opened a tap for the first time, you tap into the water supply, just maybe not without making a mess (I know that analogy sounds stupid).

 

[Sorcerer]

So Andy Serkis is going to be himself in the next one? Doesn't seem likely.

I hope if Serkis appears as himself he gives us a Thriller dance

 

[Pro]

Nah. Supreme Leader Snoke sounded fine in context of the film. Count Dooku doesn't ever not sound (or look, in the opening crawl) dumb as hell.

I kept thinking President Snow every time I heard it. Dammit Hunger Games.

 

[Schryver]

People needed an anime-tier reference to his weakened state apaprently.

"The Bowcaster shot from your Wookie friend has left me weakened, but I am still stronger than YOUUUUUUU!" ::charges with lightsaber held aloft, pointed the wrong way::

lol I would watch this

 

[Azerare]

KYLO TOOK A BOWCASTER SHOT TO THE STOMACH.

People just like to ignore the direct bow caster shot to use it as an argument for saying Rey got too strong when she really just lucked out.

 

[LegendofLex]

Apparently some people need prequel Lucas to beat them over the head with these ideas and spell them out.

Yeah, and this is what winds up pushing TFA up to the top of my favorites list. I love that it doesn't rely on bad storytelling to get the messages across.

People focusing on the "Kylo getting shot" thing and not the "Rey letting the all-powerful force that controls everything in the universe guide her actions against the man-child who thinks he can bend it to his own will" thing are also woefully incapable of reading into deeper meanings, tbh.

Yes, Kylo got shot, but Kylo getting shot is a symbol for what just happened to him when he killed his father, and a sign that he's horribly broken and will never be what Rey is in terms of his ability to connect with the Force.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

As that scene started, I actually thought to myself, while watching TFA mind you, "This seems like something out of a Star Trek movie", but it got pushed out once we got past the initial setup of the scene & the action played out. For some reason, Trek, in my mind anyway, seems to have more 'misunderstanding adventure' moments indoors on board ships than Star Wars has had in the past.

it also doesn't help that the scene played out a lot like some of the on-ship mad-dash moments that took place in Trek '09 (Kirk racing to rescue Scottie out of the coolant pipe after beam-up).

Yeah exactly. It reminded me so much of those setups.

That, and there were a few other things I just thought were out of place, for a Star Wars movie.

Like the rotating helicopter shot at the end, or Han's blind shot to kill a trooper.

Yes Yes. I forgot about that scene but I felt the exact same way.

 

[FloatOn]

I like the theory that Rey could be similar to anakin. The second force Jesus of sorts like how anakin was.

yeah I think that's pretty clear

she is very gifted and from humble beginnings.

 

[Blader]

People needed an anime-tier reference to his weakened state apaprently.

"The Bowcaster shot from your Wookie friend has left me weakened, but I am still stronger than YOUUUUUUU!" ::charges with lightsaber held aloft, pointed the wrong way::

lmao

 

[Kinsei]

Other way around- Christmas is a big movie going holiday. Next weekend will drop less than it would otherwise because of it. Christmas Day had the third most presales for TFA (17th->18th->25th).

Wow. I guess I really don't "get" people.

 

[Jarmel]

I think most people take the conclusion of the fight and forget how most of it went down.

• Kylo was shot by Chewie's bowcaster, which is shown multiple times as capable of blowing people backwards by ten feet when shot
• Kylo got a little nicked by Finn
• Kylo is probably still a bit shook from his first encounter with Rey
• Despite all of the above, Kylo is *still* cocksure at handling Rey. He uses one hand multiple times, something Vader did when he was clowning Luke in ESB
• Rey was basically beaten (she is on the defensive, cutting down trees to create space, etc.) until Kylo tries to tempt her

I tthink the problem is about the Force moment as it comes off as her just dominating him rather than him being exhausted.

 

[a very cute dog]

So are they going to explain how Rey just went from normal lady to doing jedi mind tricks and force grabbing lightsabers in like no time?

I suppose maybe Luke trained her when she was but a wee child but then was her mind wiped of those memories?

Considering we have two more movies and a mysterious background for the character, it seems very likely.

 

[timewyrm]

I know this is opening a can of worms, but what is the differences between sith and jedi? From what I can tell the sith uses emotion to control the force, and the jedi wants to eliminate emotion in order to keep balance. But couldn't there be a good guy sith who draws from the emotions of love or happeniness?

Well technically Anakin's love for Padme was what led being consumed by fear.

 

[Servbot24]

I hope no one's just salty over a girl winning a fight with a dude

I get logic and actual arguments or whatever, but it's a space wizard movie in the end, get over it

Just want to point out this is a horrible post. A story being untrue doesn't mean it doesn't need to be told well.

I'm sure the girl comment was trolling but that's also really offensive.

 

[Toxi]

Apparently, the idea that you're not on your A-game after being shot in the gut by the Star Wars equivalent of a grenade launcher is news to people.

 

[emb]

I saw the movie a second time, and it was interesting that both Maz and Kylo implied they had some knowledge about a mysterious girl. Maz asks Han "who's the girl?" and Kylo says "what girl?," and both times the scene changes immediately, implying both of them know something we aren't supposed to know about yet. Then Kylo says something like "it's the girl I've heard so much about," again implying there's more about her than just what's happened in the movie.

If I'm guessing, I think Rey has a direct connection to the first temple of the jedi. I don't think she is blood-related to anyone directly. Luke found her somewhere and took her in to his academy, but I think she is a direct descendant of the original force users, or something like that, and maybe she doesn't even have parents at all. She may also be related to Anakin, who of course didn't have a father.

Her being a biological child of Luke or a Kenobi relative would be so lazy and boring at this point. I really hope that's not it.

Both of Kylo's are kinda debatable. The first time he could just be mad, he asks threateningly already if there's any other news. The second time, he had been given that report and probably others beforehand.

With the Maz line though, definitely something fishy going on.

 

[Jaleel]

People just like to ignore the direct bow caster shot to use it as an argument for saying Rey got too strong when she really just lucked out.

The whole movie Han fucking raves about the bowcaster and still people dont fucking get it.

 

[Skellig Gra]

I like the theory that Rey could be similar to anakin. The second force Jesus of sorts like how anakin was.

Isn't that the laziest possible angle they could take? 2 force Jesus within 3 generations?

 

[GhaleonEB]

The only moment that felt like JJ was infusing a bit of Star Trek into Star Wars was with the Rathtar's on Han and Chewies ship. That whole sequence played out like something I would imagine Kirk and Spock dealing with.

What do you guys think?

It did seem out of place, especially with big CG monsters chasing everyone around. It was handled in a way that worked fine, but I feel the whole sequence was unnecessary and robbed the film of some downtime that it needed between action sequences.

 

[ProudCanuck]

Ok....I got it. I had a revelation.



Finn is force sensitive but very light. you can tell when Ren knows who let Poe escape when he stops and looks at him. You can sense the force is awakened in Finn the moment he stops and thinks this is wrong.


Rey is a miracle child like Anakin. She is sent to Luke but he doesnt want her to become another Anakin and he sends her to Jakku under the care of Lor San Tekka. She is mindwiped into thinking her parents will come but they never are as Luke was the one going on that ship.

As Ren is being training into become a Master himself, the force has a way of balancing the galaxies it holds together. it awakens the force inside finn the moment he lands so it leads to him finding Rey and that leads to her finding the ways of the force. Yoda and Obi Wan both whisper to her to come nearer to the force, the force has chosen her as the one to counter Kylo Ren.

from last page. I firmly believe seeing the movie...AGAIN..that this is the backstory

 

[Blade30]

People needed an anime-tier reference to his weakened state apaprently.

"The Bowcaster shot from your Wookie friend has left me weakened, but I am still stronger than YOUUUUUUU!" ::charges with lightsaber held aloft, pointed the wrong way::

Spoiler

I had to do it

 

[El Topo]

Well, you can't please everyone. Some want more exposition, others less. It happens. Opinions.

 

[Henkka]

So are they going to explain how Rey just went from normal lady to doing jedi mind tricks and force grabbing lightsabers in like no time?

I suppose maybe Luke trained her when she was but a wee child but then was her mind wiped of those memories?

I don't know what's there to explain. It's already been long established that one's aptitude to use the Force is something you're born with.

Rey's just the potentially most powerful Force user we've ever seen.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Why not just not engage someone if their argument makes you stoop to suggesting something like that?

Don't be an internet warrior.

How am I supposed engage someone who uses such juvenile terminology?

 

[spyshagg]

So,



I concede Ben did look like a wimp since after taking the mask off.




.... But a stark contrast to the previous demonstration of him at the beginning of the movie. Stopping a blaster shot mid air was seriously impressive.





I'm only seeing today, what will take you guys many years to see "right". Same thing happened in the phantom menace. Sorry

 

[Sulik2]

Speaking of Asian films.


Here's how I totally expect a Knights of Ren vs. Rey battle to happen

That is the dumbest action sequence ever put on film. I sure hope its nothing like that.

 

[DragonSworne]

Wait, wasn't Anakin's mom joking about him not having a dad?

 

[Dice]

I want to make something clear because it seems people in here don't know it:

“He is a character who came to the name Kylo Ren when he joined a group called the Knights of Ren,” Abrams says.

He didn't make the Knights, he joined them. Fucking up Luke's trainees would be a Solo action.

Spoiler

(sorry I couldn't resist)

 

[Solo]

Ren was fucking punching his own wound like 5 times. You'd think that would have gotten the point across.

 

[Ishida]

Wait, wasn't Anakin's mom joking about him not having a dad?

No one knows for sure what she meant by that.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Well, you can't please everyone. Some want more exposition, others less. It happens. Opinions, how do they work?

I'm fine with exposition that's useful. The movie doesn't need to tell us every detail of why Rey is able to do what she does when it is called "The Force Awakens", and the villain says earlier "I have sensed an awakening".

 

[Boke1879]

All this, and the point of his character was that he was brash and overconfident. Who has he ever had to fight? People calling him a "whiny spoiled little bitch". YUP, that's his arc in this film. He thinks he's better than he is.

Now I fully expect him to come back in VIII after completing his training, with a badass scar, showing a true mastery of the dark side.

Kylo Ren was a perfect character and Driver sold the hell out of it.

Not to mention Snoke even tells Ren that "He has never faced such a test".

 

[The Chef]

It *absolutely* heavily implies it.

First she hears the crying of a baby. (implied to be her)

Then when she touches LUKE's lightsaber, she has flashbacks.

It shows the aftermath of (presumably) Kylo Ren (or her, if you want to go the 2edgy route), where Luke touches R2-D2 while stuff's on fire. It shows the Knights of Ren (I think?), then it shows her being dropped off on the desert planet while protesting and crying.

So basically this is showing that some tragedy happened while Luke was training new Jedi, Kylo Ren was involved, and the ultimate end result is she was dropped off on a desert planet.

I am picturing Ray, too young for training, watching and practicing moves like Splinter in his cage.

 

[SuperStiltzkin]

So,




As I understood it...



... "ben" the master apprentice of cookie, son of Leia, trained by Luke, able to stop a blaster shot mid-air, strong enough to soak a shot to the torso and punch the wound, was bested by the oblivious and untrained daughter of Luke.





I felt this movie was made for a generation much more forgiving than mine (I'm 30ish)

lmao, this shit again. Just say millenials man. Word has been getting a lot of unironic play by angry old men yelling at clouds lately when they need something to blame.

Yes, getting shot by a bowcaster that sends storm troopers flying will gimp you heavily. Yes, it is believeable that killing your own father, whether you hated him or not, can leave you in a state of vulnerability in which you forget to force stop a projectile. You can pump yourself up and beat your chest to make yourself angry and look tough, but you still have a burning wound in your side.

And Rey is far from oblivious. She knows how to fight already. She's learned to fend for herself on Jakku on her own and live this long. It's no special Luke training, but it's enough to hold her own against a severely injured and exhausted Sith.

 

[16BitNova]

I still think the movie is telegraphing hard that she's Luke's daughter. Remember the trailer voiceover, they reused ROTJ's monologue to imply a familial passing down of the Force from Luke to someone else. And that final scene is totally father and daughter.

Well that quote was not in the movie, for all we know that could have been Luke talking to Ben Solo before his turn to the darkside. And I don't know, I didn't necessarily take Luke and Rey's scene together as father daughter... but you never know. I just have a gut feeling she's not. EXCEPT, for one scene. When Leia and Rey hug, I remembered a line from Han saying " A woman always figures out the truth". We all know that Leia is strong in the force. And back in Return of the Jedi she says somehow she always knew Luke was her brother. Perhaps here she also senses Rey is family which is why she hugs with such love. I know she just lost Han but I sensed more to that hug.

 

[MMarston]

That is the dumbest action sequence ever put on film. I sure hope its nothing like that.

oh I was only thinking about the idea of the scene



now way in hell its gonna be executed like that



EDIT: I disagree with you that its the dumbest though

 

[Syf]

No one knows for sure what she meant by that.

It's Lucas prequel writing. She meant exactly what she said.

 

[CrichtonKicks]

That, and there were a few other things I just thought were out of place, for a Star Wars movie.

Like the rotating helicopter shot at the end, or Han's blind shot to kill a trooper.

I don't get the hate. The films had moving establishing shots before (Empire had a few) but they had to be done with VFX. I appreciated that they kept it practical in the final shot.

Wow. I guess I really don't "get" people.

FWIW, Christmas Eve is super slow so it kind of balances out.

 

[Jarmel]

The freighter sequence is when Abrams couldn't help himself.

 

[Brakke]

KYLO TOOK A BOWCASTER SHOT TO THE STOMACH.

Everyone who falls back on this sort of misses the thing. I think the dissatisfaction people feel about the fight extends back to that choice. Why did the script choose to shoot Kylo in the stomach?

We have to put so many asterisks on the last fight that it just doesn't really resolve -- or even test -- anything. The part that bothers me most is the Deus Ex Earthquake that separates the two at the end. Rey should have a real Dark Side Struggle there deciding to kill him or not. Instead she just... doesn't.

 

[Ishida]

It's Lucas prequel writing. She meant exactly what she said.

I disagree. Unless I'm missing something from the novelizations, what she said is pretty ambiguous.

 

[ProudCanuck]

I was hoping for some action from the Raid guys. the end result was like....wait thats it?

 

[broncobuster]

I think most people take the conclusion of the fight and forget how most of it went down.

• Kylo was shot by Chewie's bowcaster, which is shown multiple times as capable of blowing people backwards by ten feet when shot
• Kylo got a little nicked by Finn
• Kylo is probably still a bit shook from his first encounter with Rey
• Despite all of the above, Kylo is *still* cocksure at handling Rey. He uses one hand multiple times, something Vader did when he was clowning Luke in ESB
• Rey was basically beaten (she is on the defensive, cutting down trees to create space, etc.) until Kylo tries to tempt her

From reading this thread, I get the sense the struggle is Rey laying Kylo on his ass. I don't entirely disagree with that notion. I'm very happy with the scene as is. But maybe the scene would be more poignant if she had got him on his back foot, on the defensive, on a knee, before the ground separates them.

 

[Inferno313]

That is the dumbest action sequence ever put on film. I sure hope its nothing like that.