Of course its not just Rey who awakens, Finn clearly awakens when he lands on Jakuu and even Kylo senses it in him. Everything that happens after is clearly a fated and predetermined because as long as there isn't balance in the force the force creates an avenue to right it.
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Of course its not just Rey who awakens, Finn clearly awakens when he lands on Jakuu and even Kylo senses it in him. Everything that happens after is clearly a fated and predetermined because as long as there isn't balance in the force the force creates an avenue to right it.
Man if he was Alien, it wouldn't explain the human only New Order. I'm guessing just very disfigured, maybe kept alive solely from the force. Like Darth Sion.
Gray Matter
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TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
I like Finn but nothing he says or does makes sense. We're talking about someone who was not only never disobedient before TFA, but never once failed to conform in any way in his entire life. He's quick with a joke but should he even know what a joke is? His masters are so uptight that he can't even show his face.
He should be like that weird homeschooled kid who wasn't allowed to watch TV or go outside.
Almost every character was written just as thoughtlessly.
ryutaro's mama
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Would anyone else besides me pay to see a Star Wars: BB-8 movie?
Think WALL-e -esque with 2 hours of hilarious sight gags as we follow his mission and watch him interact with humans and creatures trying to get <thing> back to <person>.
BobbyRoberts, are you gonna leave me hanging here?
Think WALL-e -esque with 2 hours of hilarious sight gags as we follow his mission and watch him interact with humans and creatures trying to get <thing> back to <person>.
BobbyRoberts, are you gonna leave me hanging here?
Not a Jellyfish
but I am a sheep
So...theory my brother had after watching the film that was a little interesting.
Rey having been a young Jedi who was party of the group being trained by Luke, survives and is taken to Jakku by Luke before his disappearance or possibly found and sold to the fat dude on Jakku at a young age.
Either being traumatized from the events or possible force mind wipe to suppress the events. Explains why she is waiting for someone to return to Jakku, why she sees those images when touching Lukes saber and appears to be strong with the force rather quickly.
Though it was an interesting theory.
Rey having been a young Jedi who was party of the group being trained by Luke, survives and is taken to Jakku by Luke before his disappearance or possibly found and sold to the fat dude on Jakku at a young age.
Either being traumatized from the events or possible force mind wipe to suppress the events. Explains why she is waiting for someone to return to Jakku, why she sees those images when touching Lukes saber and appears to be strong with the force rather quickly.
Though it was an interesting theory.
BigJonsson
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Darkside cultists who fools Kylo into the darkside, he's no sith but is hoping that with Kylos pedigree he can bring it back and use it for his own power hungry purposes.
BFIB
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This would be an awesome twist.
minimumhippo
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I dunno, maybe half human? (is this possible in star wars?) I imagine if he was human they would have just used prosthetics on a human actor. Because the way they did it wasn't... great.
Rey and Leia hug because they are both mourning Han's death. The whole shot is literally screaming that they are separate and mourning. To the left of them is the huge group of Resistance fighters celebrating, then they are embracing in the middle and to the right is the Millenium Falcon...
One of the few shots that stands out to me.
ProudCanuck
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And Yaddle's the grandmother.
Gray Matter
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Is he a new character to the universe? Like first ever appearance?
If so, i would feel better not knowing exactly who he is.
Is there anything to this tough? Or is it just a hunch?
I could see it being the case, but I *eeally* don't see Han/Leia lying to Rey. Like, I'm shocked so many people are even entertaining that as a possibility.
It's obviously Padme. Her heart was broken by Anakin so she turned to her former Senate colleague for comfort.
Wish they wouldn't go the obligatory romace path with Rey and Finn and just kep them as friends, becoming best friends even.
But they are totally going to aren't they? :/
Also I really hope she isn't Luke's kid, 1 kid of previous nostalgia characters is enough
But they are totally going to aren't they? :/
Also I really hope she isn't Luke's kid, 1 kid of previous nostalgia characters is enough
BigJonsson
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Obi-Wan Kenobi was a life-long virgin.
Which is why Star Wars fanboys love him so much. *rim-shot*
Anyway, Tumblr's having fun with it already. From spoiler trolling:
to Tumblr memes: (This one is where you take an out of context comment and apply it to a relevant scene from a TV show or movie.)
That scene would have been a lot better if she didn't just walk straight past Chewie without even looking at him.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Was Poe coming back supposed to be some weird shoutout to bullshit retconned resolutions to serial cliffhangers? They know almost no one watching this has seen any of those, right?
Yes he's new. His origin is probably going to be explained in one of the offshoot movies along with a lot of questions answered leading to ep7
Gray Matter
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Yes. But I can never know if a character is new to Star Wars or not.
Maybe Max von Sydow is one of Anakin's stupid friends from the podrace building scene
Wait a minute. I hadn't even thought that Snoke might not be a force user himself... but it would make sense that he wouldn't be.
Wow, things just got a lot more interesting.
ryutaro's mama
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Link plz.
Related, I think that the Max Von Sydow character WILL be in Rogue One. My theory anyway. Seems like they went out of their way to set him up in this one, knowing Ren and the Solos and being masterful at finding the unfindable.
brandonh83
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Fuck Star Wars
You know that would make a lot of sense, seeing as they really are going for a cinematic universe sort of thing with those anthology movies.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
I still don't think he's a Sith. Not openly anyway. Kylo certainly isn't a dark Jedi apprentice... He's a Ren, not a Darth, and the official visual dictionary straight up says he is neither a Jedi or a Sith but a different kind of dark force worshipper
Spiritreaver
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Who was that old dude at the end of the movie? Looked like a total creep.
Obi-Wan Kenobi was a life-long virgin.
Which is why Star Wars fanboys love him so much. *rim-shot*
Anyway, Tumblr's having fun with it already. From spoiler trolling:
I miss Smash Mouth.
JUST Star Wars?
Nostremitus
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It's possible. Hell, Yoda kept himself alive so long that when he finally let go he just evaporated.
So if JJ lifted that part from the Expanded Universe about Han and Leia having an evil dark side son, and probably also lifted the part about them having a Force-sensitive daughter (I mean it's probably not Luke's kid since he likely finished the "no attachment" part of his training with Yoda after Empire Strikes Back), will he also lift the part where she got trained by Boba Fett?
ryutaro's mama
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Who is their Force sensitive daughter in this movie? I must have missed that part.
Jacksinthe
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I'm fairly certain when you're the only stormtrooper NOT killing people after you've been told to - your boss will throw shade at you.
He handled Anakin's/Luke's lightsaber without flashbacks or any other let-on that he has any amount of force sensitivity above the norm.
uncelestial
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A) The EU is not canon anymoreLOL the "Rey shouldn't have beaten Kylo" camp is VERY SUSPECT. I mean you compare her to this guy:
Dude goes unconscious and then wakes up with the force. A beloved EU character!
Same thing happens to a girl after touching Anakin's lightsaber and OH SHE IS AN OVERPOWERED MARY SUE. I'm sorry a girl isn't good enough for this arbitrary magical dogshit that is the Force!
Kylo Ren and Snoke thrive on fear and intimidation probably because they're fearful themselves. Finn and Rey now think he's just a fucking asshole AND wounded. The intimidation didn't work out in the snow because Kylo is a big scared tittybaby! Rey, someone who is used to beating up fucking assholes with a stick, had the upper hand for sure.
B) That guy sounds stupid too ("wakes up with the force" okay lol)
C) In my day, complaining about female characters being thinly conceived was feminist. Maybe you should think about that.
brandonh83
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Felicity in R1 doesn't make sense as Rey's mom idiots
She is clearly very very force sensitive, the title refers to her after all. Quite possibly the most force sensitive character in the films since Vader/Anakin.
the mind trick happens shortly after she figures out how sensitive to the force she is. We have seen in other movies that non-jedi's know of the mind trick. It's part of their "pop culture" in the galaxy as it were. She likely would know what it is and if you found out you were force sensitive wouldn't you give it a go too?
Ehh...I disagree with most of this. I don't think having a moral epiphany means you're suddenly Force sensitive. The subtext of the film heavily implied that Finn is not Force sensitive - Poe telling Finn that his jacket "suits him", Finn holding a freaking lightsaber in his hand but asking Maz for a weapon (and then defaulting to use a blaster again once he finds one).
Also, this is taken straight from the novel during the Finn/Kylo fight - "Advancing relentlessly, he (Kylo) was driven by something that Finn could not even sense, far less counter." I think it's pretty clear.
And, in terms of Rey's heritage, I think I would rank it as follows, from most likely to least likely -
1. Luke's daughter
2. Obi-Wan's granddaughter.
3. Han and Lei's other child.
4. Unknown parents, unrelated to the Skywalkers.
5. Born of the Force, like Anakin.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Unless Rey only saw that stuff because of her connection to something other than the force...
You upset or something?
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
The visual dictionary does say he's been involved since then but lists him as a non force sensitive worshipper of Jedi ideals in the church of the Jedi, and after the war he went on a knowledge quest to find lost secrets of the Jedi ... He was close to both Leia and Luke. Likely he is similar to The Watchers from Highlander... Not one of them but a record keeper of sorts. Doesn't surprise me Luke trusted the location of ancient Jedi temples to him (he may have been the one who gave that location to Luke in the first place), and Lars was looking after his daughter Rey just as Obi Wan did from afar in ANH
ryutaro's mama
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I'm assuming Rey might be their daughter. The "father you never had" and that "Force runs in my family" thing from the trailer seemed to point to that.
A very progressive Star Wars
Jacksinthe
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She already had Kylo pry around in her mind so she knows what it felt like.
I know if I had dude drill my brain and I was able to drill back a little bit I'd definitely try it out on some non-force users in a situation she was in.
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Randolph Freelander
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I get that she knows what it is, although until not long before that point, she believe it to only be a myth. However, being able to actually use force techniques and succeed without training was the surprise.
Don't take me wrong, I'm not complaining about it in the slightest. It didn't break my suspension of disbelief. If anything, as I mentioned, it just has me interested all the more into her backstory.
He's not Sith so what exactly is he training Kylo in? I bet its all been bullshit and he's been coning Ren up to this point and kylo now humiliated is gonna be on to him, he'll transition into the darkside properly on his own and he's unstable enough and knows what happened between Vader and Palpatine so he's gonna kill Snoke to become a legitimate Sith and continue the 2 Sith rule. If this happens who will be his apprentice?
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