[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #2) - One Thumb Up
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LegalEagleMike
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Luke might not have been honing his skills tho. Might have just been having a pity party with ghost Ben and Yoda about how you have to go into exile whenever a Darkside user hurts your feelings.
Do we even know if Snoke is force sensitive or not yet?
Do we even know if the Pope is catholic?
Obliterator
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Im 50 / 50 on if Kylo stays Sith. Part of me thinks he for sure will just be evil but part of me thinks his comments about the light side calling to him and his struggles is foreshadowing a turn. Not sure which way I lean yet
Admiral Woofington
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John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
How can he stay Sith, when he isn't one now and isn't training to be one?
A Ren is not a Darth.
What him and Snoke got going on is a different interpretation of the Dark Side, we don't know much more than that yet
Sorcerer
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I have a feeling Luke will have to an Obi-Wan disappearing trick sometime in trilogy. You know why?
Because it's like poetry, it rhymes.
LegalEagleMike
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Im pretty sure Kylo is now too far down the dark side path after the ending of this movie. His struggle towards the light ended when he killed Han.
Obliterator
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Technically we dont know yet. Sith may be involved. We know absolutely nothing of Snoke. But yes I see what you are saying
Maybe, but that'll be a tough one. That is no where near the Rey and Ren match up.
In a stand up fight, Kylo is toast.
I think if they really want to do it they should make Kylo do it in an underhanded way. I'm hating (in the good sense) the character now, but I think I would love to loath him. Will make leveled Rey kicking the snot out of him all the sweeter.
he is in training to be a sith. but his eyes didn't turn classic sith yellow so he 50/50 on which side he will ultimately choose.
Not Spaceghost
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I don't think that luke will die during the trilogy, something will happen that pushes him into the background but I think that much like how han was a protagonist in this movie Luke will be in the next.
nah man, Rey beat Kylo once already. He is about to train harder and beat her.
Kylo: Rey search your feelings you know it is true.
Rey: but it can't be...why did you kill our father.
TheKaeptain
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The Sith are dead guys.
Sectorseven
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Lot of focus on the light saber peeps, but what are the x-wings supposed to shoot at next time?
Obliterator
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I hope we dont get back to back films of Kylo getting beat down by Rey. He needs to hold his own with someone and maybe even win if he's going to be the big time villian
Idk, Ren was dealing in absolutes.
OricWindstar
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Hopefully something other than TIE fighters. And hopefully something other than X-Wings will be doing the shooting.
that is what I am saying! Once his training is complete he is going to rekt Rey who in turn will be saved by Luke. Luke will have a talk with his nephew about vader then escape.
edit: Rey is going to leave her training for Finn
Yes, this really can't be emphasized enough. We aren't dealing with Sith here. Snoke and Kylo are something different.
Don't forget the several other knights who are going to join him
Admiral Woofington
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Sorcerer
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Well this is the second act, the one that should end pretty tragically for the good guys, so some shit is defintely going down, so we can get to the victory in the third act. Although I wonder if they blew their load already by killing Han?
LookAtMeGo
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The only way he can redeem himself is self sacrifice to save someone a la Vader.
Ragnorok64
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At this point I hope they don't go for some super huge swerve. Just make Rey a Skywalker a go about telling a good story with that backdrop. If they try to get to crazy with some sort of last or of nowhere twist, I feel like they could compromise the story.
That's how Hayden got to be Darth. XP grind younglings. Not as challenging but you get better force powers quicker.
Bubblicious
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I saw the film last week and I loved it more than I thought I would as I had low expectations. Seeing the OT technology with modern effects was a refreshing perspective and I think JJ's cinematography was excellent. I also liked that they setup a whole lot of unknowns/mysteries so fans can speculate what happened between ROTJ and TFA (and Snoke's identity). JJ obviously bringing his LOST cred to a Galaxy Far Away.
I didn't think much of the new characters prior to the film but I immediately fell in love with Rey and Finn after, although I thought Finn went out like a bit of a chump in the end which I didn't like - I would've preferred if he and Chewie were fighting Stormtroopers elsewhere while Rey & Kylo were battling. Rey really grew on me even though she was a bit of a Mary Sue her background and the fact that she was abandoned and had to scavenge to survive make you glad that things turn around in a big way for her! Plus it's refreshing having a OP female character in Sci-fi/Fantasy for a change rather than getting another damsel in distress - the fact that she was able to escape herself emphasizes this. Finn was a bit all over the place but his coolness and comic relief really grew on me - I really want to see what he has in store in future films and John Boyega is just so likable I can't think of anyone that hated him! Still not feeling Kylo and Poe though but they could grow in the next films. It was nice seeing Han & Leia again and I felt emotional seeing the look on his face when he saw Kylo taking Rey
. His death though was pretty obvious but still very sad.
My only complaints are (even though it didn't ruin the film for me): 1. The retread of ANH storyline almost exactly - I wish they had deviated the story a bit and maybe have the Starkiller Base/Planet survive but just get badly damaged or something. After JJ retread Wrath of Khan I was fearful TFA would be as bad as Into Darkness but I'm glad the characters were able to deflect from the repeated story. 2. I was a bit disappointed by the lack of world building: as much as Lucas was terrible with directing & dialogue he was great at world building especially with creating new planets, aliens etc. I think they should've kept him on in that capacity at least. I mean we have yet another desert planet, another ice planet and the rebels are based on a generic jungle world in a temple again. The reason the OT couldn't go crazy with planets and aliens was most likely budget and technology constraints of the time which this film didn't have. I can understand JJ playing it safe but having unusual alien locations won't hurt the franchise and adds to the richness of the Star Wars universe which made me a fan in the first place.
Overall a great and exciting start to the new trilogy and looking forward to see how they take these characters forward in the future films.
I didn't think much of the new characters prior to the film but I immediately fell in love with Rey and Finn after, although I thought Finn went out like a bit of a chump in the end which I didn't like - I would've preferred if he and Chewie were fighting Stormtroopers elsewhere while Rey & Kylo were battling. Rey really grew on me even though she was a bit of a Mary Sue her background and the fact that she was abandoned and had to scavenge to survive make you glad that things turn around in a big way for her! Plus it's refreshing having a OP female character in Sci-fi/Fantasy for a change rather than getting another damsel in distress - the fact that she was able to escape herself emphasizes this. Finn was a bit all over the place but his coolness and comic relief really grew on me - I really want to see what he has in store in future films and John Boyega is just so likable I can't think of anyone that hated him! Still not feeling Kylo and Poe though but they could grow in the next films. It was nice seeing Han & Leia again and I felt emotional seeing the look on his face when he saw Kylo taking Rey
. His death though was pretty obvious but still very sad. My only complaints are (even though it didn't ruin the film for me): 1. The retread of ANH storyline almost exactly - I wish they had deviated the story a bit and maybe have the Starkiller Base/Planet survive but just get badly damaged or something. After JJ retread Wrath of Khan I was fearful TFA would be as bad as Into Darkness but I'm glad the characters were able to deflect from the repeated story. 2. I was a bit disappointed by the lack of world building: as much as Lucas was terrible with directing & dialogue he was great at world building especially with creating new planets, aliens etc. I think they should've kept him on in that capacity at least. I mean we have yet another desert planet, another ice planet and the rebels are based on a generic jungle world in a temple again. The reason the OT couldn't go crazy with planets and aliens was most likely budget and technology constraints of the time which this film didn't have. I can understand JJ playing it safe but having unusual alien locations won't hurt the franchise and adds to the richness of the Star Wars universe which made me a fan in the first place.
Overall a great and exciting start to the new trilogy and looking forward to see how they take these characters forward in the future films.
I thought of North Korean soldiers
Randolph Freelander
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The only thing Luke (and, for that matter, Leia) should die of is old age.
Yeah, I really need to see General Leia in action.
Her experience as a tactician goes way back.
legacyzero
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I'm ok with this
yes this too! Finn is going to have a run in with the knights and Rey gotta bail him out. going to be a classic empires strike back situation.
Snoke is a circus master and Ren is just his funniest clown. Sith they are not.
I want to see a large scale ship battle against a brand new Super Star Destroyer. Multi part battle, different fleets engaging various parts, etc. No more stationary planetary killers pls.
I want to see a large scale ship battle against a brand new Super Star Destroyer. Multi part battle, different fleets engaging various parts, etc. No more stationary planetary killers pls.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
One thing I never was clear on is, what does it mean to "bring balance to the force" anyway?
I feel like that prophecy gets all kind of weird interpretations... I feel like it's going to make a come back.
Like, the Light ruled for centuries and then Anakin brought the Sith to dominance... Was that not "restoring the balance"? Or Luke coming and removing the Sith, is that "balance"? Wouldn't you need equal parts Dark and Light in coexistence to really be balanced?
That's what I think maybe Kylo comes in.
He isn't a Sith, it's not about a rule of 2... Snoke is some awkward ancient Dark being who interprets the prophecy another way than the Sith do, his Knights of Ren are all Dark worshipping force users and he's on a mission to destabilize the Galaxy or some such to be revealed motive... And Kylo is actually the embodiment of the "balance" - he is both equal parts Light and Dark, Snoke knows this and wants to use it. This is even implied in the visual diction that's canon.
Anyway I never understood how the Jedi so black and white thought they meant he would bring balance would destroy the dark side. Seems like a thin reading to me.
Sectorseven
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So Chewie is technically captain of the Falcon now, yes?
OricWindstar
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Bring it the fuck on, I say.
I'd think that Snoke showed Kylo some ancient force user stuff that predated the distinction of a light and dark side and that's where he got the lightsaber.
Either that or he was fanboying so hard that he cobbled together a lightsaber to try and make one that looked like Vader's.
LegalEagleMike
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After seeing what Poe can do in an X-Wing he should be able to take on the whole First Order himself in an updated A-Wing.
Also, it's not something that happens often in these movies.
Only Ep III has really scratched the itch of a modern SW space battle
Nostremitus
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Is Kylo a title like Darth?
As in, he's Kylo Ren, not Darth Ren?
As in, he's Kylo Ren, not Darth Ren?
yes he is, finn can't fly for shit, and Rey is getting her jedi training on.
Not sure if this article has been posted but it breaks down a lot of problems with the story and how fans have turned a blind eye to the problems bc it's Star Wars and bc of the nostalgia.
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