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[cdyhybrid]

I'd say, with the natural force-talent Rey has shown, she could very likely be the daughter of two force sensitive people. That can be Luke plus an still unkown female apprentice, or two unkown and maybe new characters.
I can't see Luke putting on the restrictions of the old Jedi order, so it's possible that he took in students that were around his age when Kenobi started his training, and that he won't forbid his students to have relationships.

Did Obi-Wan ever tell him that Jedi knights are not supposed to have relationships?

I would imagine Obi-Wan/Yoda/Anakin/Qui-Gon have told Luke all about what happened back in the day.

I suppose it goes back to your interpretation of the "balance" concept and the prophecy.

Some assumed that Anakin had fulfilled his role in the prophecy by equalizing the light and dark sides (Obi-Wan and Yoda vs Vader and Sidious), whereas I have heard that Lucas said in interviews that being imbalanced towards the light was the natural order.

What an interesting twist it would be if the force was causing these cosmic events to thin the herd because the optimal status for the universe is a very small number of powerful/influential/trained force users of both sides and not a bunch of people running around actively using powers constantly.

I lean more towards what Lucas described. The Light side is sustainable and not self-destructive, whereas the Dark side (and especially the Sith) will eventually lead to its practitioners' destruction.

 

[Atraveller]

Evolution of the Empire to TFO feels like an evolution from the Third Reich to North Korea.

Before the EU was nuked I knew a shit ton about Star Wars... I'm kinda deeply bothered I know nothing about Snoke or TFO's capacity.

How so? I mean the stormtroopers even did a heil salute in TFA.

 

[Moonkid]

Driver said that Kylo/Ben joined the Knights of Ren, meaning it existed before him and he somehow became their leader. Maybe he lead them to the Jedi Academy?

 

[MMarston]

How so? I mean the stormtroopers even did a heil salute in TFA.

Isolated militarist group no one (politically) seems to care about until they blow something up.

 

[Bots are better than you]

Evolution of the Empire to TFO feels like an evolution from the Third Reich to North Korea.

Before the EU was nuked I knew a shit ton about Star Wars... I'm kinda deeply bothered I know nothing about Snoke or TFO's capacity.

Well, they are capable enough to build a weapon inside a planet, that sucks dry suns to power up some planet-destroying lasers, and Snoke was rather calm and relaxed when he was told that this weapon is about to get destroyed.

So far, the only thing that Snoke fears might be Luke, hence that crusade-like campaign to find him.
Maybe he thinks that Luke killed Darth Vader and the Emperor, not knowing that Vader was responsible for the Emperor's demise and ... well ... his own death.

Well in the EU correct me if wrong guys luke actually trains his then to be wife in the ways of the force and most of the people he trains are adults. Luke allows marriage and some other stuff.

Yeah, Mara Jade. But the EU was wiped out. Still, they could bring some characters and storylines back and adapt them, so maybe Mara Jade will be made canon in the sequels?

 

[JeremyEtcetera]

Found through twitter:

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

They can do some cool thematic parallels (heck, thru already have), but even without that, if she's Luke's daughter, they'll have a hard time bringing that to beat in a believable way. I can't imagine Leia not sending it instinctively and I don't know how they resolve that.

TFA doesn't support her being Han or Luke's daughter. There's just nothing there.

Sure, for people like us that would be cool but I don't think general audience (many who haven't seen a SW movie before) would know who kenobi is or care that she is one. Especially if they play it up as a big reveal.

With her being a skywalker you have father and daughter dynamic to work with,

 

[TheFlow]

Well, they are capable enough to build a weapon inside a planet, that sucks dry suns to power up some planet-destroying lasers, and Snoke was rather calm and relaxed when he was told that this weapon is about to get destroyed.

So far, the only thing that Snoke fears might be Luke, hence that crusade-like campaign to find him.
Maybe he thinks that Luke killed Darth Vader and the Emperor, not knowing that Vader was responsible for the Emperor's demise and ... well ... his own death.

Luke is the only thing that can revive the Jedi.

 

[Sesuadra]

Found through twitter:

made my day.

 

[MMarston]

Found through twitter:

/dead


I see mileage in future Kylo Ren humor

 

[darkwing-buck]

Found through twitter:

lol

 

[Dreams-Visions]

that's gold.

 

[Atraveller]

I suppose it goes back to your interpretation of the "balance" concept and the prophecy.

Some assumed that Anakin had fulfilled his role in the prophecy by equalizing the light and dark sides (Obi-Wan and Yoda vs Vader and Sidious), whereas I have heard that Lucas said in interviews that being imbalanced towards the light was the natural order.

What an interesting twist it would be if the force was causing these cosmic events to thin the herd because the optimal status for the universe is a very small number of powerful/influential/trained force users of both sides and not a bunch of people running around actively using powers constantly.

There's long ass period where the Sith started practicing the Rule of Two and went into hiding, while the Jedi Order continued to operate as usual though.

Isolated militarist group no one (politically) seems to care about until they blow something up.

I wouldn't say no one cared about the First Order, the new republic fears it, that's why the war is fought through proxy (the resistance).

 

[Palpable]

What are the odds that Snoke is Darth Plagueis?

 

[KingSnake]

... you have watched Star Wars before, right?

Yes?

Kylo being a Skywalker trained by a Skywalker then turned to the Dark side and killing his father and be confronted by another Skywalker to be trained by a Skywalker after she was abandoned as practically a slave on a very unfriendly planet by the said Skywalker and both Skywalkers fighting against the bad Skywalkers while another widow Skywalker watches from the side while being emotionally ripped appart is too damn much even by Star Wars standards.

As you said, the OT had ONE big twist in terms of who the characters are.

 

[Squire]

What are the odds that Snoke is Darth Plagueis?

Reasonable? Kylo Ren is absolutely a riff on Jacen Solo, so I see no reason to rule it out.

 

[Shuggananas]

What are the odds that Snoke is Darth Plagueis?

Hopefully 0%

 

[Brakke]

He was inexperienced and quick to prove himself. The way he thrashed around with his light saber showed he needed more training

When we say "inexperienced" let's be clear here. Kylo went to train with Luke at some point when he was young enough that Han / Leia "sent him". He trained under Luke for an unspecified period (years?). On some unclear timeline he went on to: kill or convert Luke's padawans in such a way that Luke imposed an exile on himself; "master" the Knights of Ren; and serve as a commander / operative for The Order; reporting directly to Snoke from whom he seems have have received some instruction / training.

It's hard to evaluate those things because they're all totally undefined (is "mastering" the Knights impressive even?) but it's hard to put him at Novice. Dude is a Journeyman at least. He's got at least (?) ten years of active Force use under his belt.

 

[KingSnake]

What are the odds that Snoke is Darth Plagueis?

Hopefully less than Snoke being Jar Jar.

 

[Bots are better than you]

Luke is the only thing that can revive the Jedi.

That's true, although, just like the Knights of Ren are no Sith, Luke's Jedi would be a new order of Jedi, since he hasn't really witnessed the strict rules of the old order.

But with Luke sitting on a lonesome planet, not doing anything but hiding for years, i can't see how Snoke should fear a possiblity. Right now, there possibly are more Knights of Ren, it would be interesting to know if more students survived the assault on Lukes Jedi temple.

 

[Alienfan]

I've brought this up before, but didn't really get an answer. Could someone please explain to me why Luke would have a kid (Rey)? I thought Jedi's can't have sex/aren't supposed to love another. Sure Luke could break this rule, but he seems like a 'by the text book' type of Jedi, and it would seem out of character for him.

 

[DeathyBoy]

Yes?

Kylo being a Skywalker trained by a Skywalker then turned to the Dark side and killing his father to be confronted by a Skywalker to be trained by a Skywalker after she was abandoned as practically a slave on a very unfriendly planet by the said Skywalker and both Skywalkers fighting against the bad Skywalkers while another widow Skywalker watches from the side while being emotionally ripped appart is too damn much even by Star Wars standards.

As you said, the OT had ONE big twist in terms of who the characters are.

Well, Ren isn't a Skywalker. He's a Solo. And even if he took his mothers name, she doesn't identify herself as a Skywalker. So he'd be Ben Organa.

 

[MMarston]

I've brought this up before, but didn't really get an answer. Could someone please explain to me why Luke would have a kid (Rey)? I thought Jedi's can't have sex/aren't supposed to love another. Sure Luke could break this rule, but he seems like a by the text book type of Jedi, and it would seem out of character.

Either
A. Luke never really knew about it

or

B. He doesn't really care for that particular rule

 

[BudokaiMR2]

My good friend was just posting on Twitter about how tough it is fixing his relationship with his father, and since he told me they are both going to see TFA tomorrow it was REALLY hard to hold back and not say something spoiler-ish lol

Well, Ren isn't a Skywalker. He's a Solo. And even if he took his mothers name, she doesn't identify herself as a Skywalker. So he'd be Ben Organa.

That means absolutely nothing. He is just as much of a Skywalker as he is a Solo. That's just how genetics work.

 

[Brakke]

I've brought this up before, but didn't really get an answer. Could someone please explain to me why Luke would have a kid (Rey)? I thought Jedi's can't have sex/aren't supposed to love another. Sure Luke could break this rule, but he seems like a 'by the text book' type of Jedi, and it would seem out of character for him.

Jedi could get special dispensation to have kids. I think the "ban" was more about attachments that cloud judgement: if you can be chill about it, go for it. More directly though, it's unclear how much Luke knew about Jedi customs and rules when he started training Padawans.

 

[Pancake Mix]

Just going to shamelessly quote myself here:

Regarding Rey being a Kenobi and the imagery involved this is what I noticed so far on my viewings:

An Alec Guiness-like voice you must mean. He died in 2000.

 

[MMarston]

An Alec Guiness-like voice you must mean. He died in 2000.

No, they spliced up a line from ANH and actually did put his voice in there.

 

[Squire]

An Alec Guiness-like voice you must mean. He died in 2000.

It's Guiness, it's just an edited voice sample.

 

[Brakke]

Well, Ren isn't a Skywalker. He's a Solo. And even if he took his mothers name, she doesn't identify herself as a Skywalker. So he'd be Ben Organa.

Dude nah. The name on his birth certificate doesn't matter lol. He clearly identifies with the Skywalker lineage.

 

[Bots are better than you]

I've brought this up before, but didn't really get an answer. Could someone please explain to me why Luke would have a kid (Rey)? I thought Jedi's can't have sex/aren't supposed to love another. Sure Luke could break this rule, but he seems like a 'by the text book' type of Jedi, and it would seem out of character for him.

If the old Jedi order was still around and following it's rules, Obi-Wan wouldn't even have been allowed to train Luke, because he was too old.
Remember, even child-Anakin was deemed to old by the masters, and it took Obi-Wan much convincing.
Also, one of the first things Yoda told Luke was basically "Go away, you're too old".

Being too conservative and only following rules led to the rise of the Emperor and the end of the Jedi order, so i think even Obi-Wan left those strict rules dead for good.

 

[KingSnake]

Well, Ren isn't a Skywalker. He's a Solo. And even if he took his mothers name, she doesn't identify herself as a Skywalker. So he'd be Ben Organa.

If he'd be a Solo he'd had nothing to do with the Force.

I've brought this up before, but didn't really get an answer. Could someone please explain to me why Luke would have a kid (Rey)? I thought Jedi's can't have sex/aren't supposed to love another. Sure Luke could break this rule, but he seems like a 'by the text book' type of Jedi, and it would seem out of character for him.

I brought up this before, Rey beying his daughter would mean Luke being a terrible Jedi and a terrible father (after he suffered also from lacking a father in his childhood, which makes this even more unbelievable), but it seems that Luke being the only Jedi left allows him to change the rules however he wants and everything will be ok.

 

[neorej]

That's true, although, just like the Knights of Ren are no Sith, Luke's Jedi would be a new order of Jedi, since he hasn't really witnessed the strict rules of the old order.

But with Luke sitting on a lonesome planet, not doing anything but hiding for years, i can't see how Snoke should fear a possiblity. Right now, there possibly are more Knights of Ren, it would be interesting to know if more students survived the assault on Lukes Jedi temple.

Luke is a massive force to be reckoned with. His involvement meant the Rebel Alliance destroyed not one, but two Death Stars and he managed to stand up and win against two Sith Lords. That he had help from one Sith Lord to destroy the other might not be common knowledge throughtout the univserse.

I've brought this up before, but didn't really get an answer. Could someone please explain to me why Luke would have a kid (Rey)? I thought Jedi's can't have sex/aren't supposed to love another. Sure Luke could break this rule, but he seems like a 'by the text book' type of Jedi, and it would seem out of character for him.

The Jedi Council didn't allow romantic / sexual relations for members of their Order. Luke was the last of the Jedi, so he could basically rewrite the rules as he saw fit, if he wrote any rules at all.

 

[Pancake Mix]

No, they spliced up a line from ANH and actually did put his voice in there.

It's Guiness, it's just an edited voice sample.

Wow, I didn't catch that, the scene was a bit of a sensory overload. It's a shame he never liked Star Wars, he can't even escape it in death.

 

[Atraveller]

My good friend was just posting on Twitter about how tough it is fixing his relationship with his father, and since he told me they are both going to see TFA tomorrow it was REALLY hard to hold back and not say something spoiler-ish lol

I knew a couple who had a fight after Gone Girl lol.

 

[Meowster]

Found through twitter:

They better drag Ben.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

Yeah I'm glad we got an imperfect villain for once. Every star wars media seems to love having the ultimate badass at the moment be the main baddie.

Its almost like Kylo is the callback to the PT but rather than watch the hero grow and turn villain, we are watching the villain grow into be an even better villain. I see some similarites between Kylo and Anakins development.

But does it complete his immersion? Some people have chalked Kylo's whooping in the forest up to him being emotionally distraught about killing Han. If his plan was to do this thing to harden his heart, it's unclear if that's worked. After he kills Han he has just the one line to Rey, right? I can't really say anything about how committed to the Dark Side he is now. Maybe he regrets it so totally that he's ready to ditch the Dark Side entirely?

You said this movie is obviously first in a trilogy and yeah I agree. It's conspicuously first in a trilogy. It requires a trilogy because it isn't a complete (or even, I think, satisfying) story. A New Hope was a complete story. Even Phantom Menace was more complete (if still insipid) than this one.

Fair enough. At least this time we only have to wait a year and a half between installments rather than 3 years. To be fair though, in ANH you get like one line from Vader thats something like "I was once the learner but now I am the master". We dont really get to know much more about him at all until the next installments. Kylo is much more fleshed out then Vader was in ANH. We just dont think about it because we already know his whole story because we have access to the whole trilogy. I dont really see how ANH is so complete when nothing really gets resolved by the end.

 

[Biggest-Geek-Ever]

The Jedi Council didn't allow romantic / sexual relations for members of their Order. Luke was the last of the Jedi, so he could basically rewrite the rules as he saw fit, if he wrote any rules at all.

Man, considering how ineptly the Jedi Council dealt with the possibility of a hormonal teen falling for a pretty girl while being her sole bodyguard, I would sure hope Luke kept a more open mind about telling his padawans about the birds and the bees.

 

[Squire]

There's a five part comic about Kenobi and Annakin starting the week after New Years, if anyone's curious.

It's when he first brings him on as his Padawan.

 

[PintSizedSlasher]

Probably been asked a million times before, but is the "Aftermath" novel any good? Really craving for a good Star Wars read after seeing the movie.

 

[Brakke]

Being too conservative and only following rules led to the rise of the Emperor and the end of the Jedi order, so i think even Obi-Wan left those strict rules dead for good.

It's the opposite. The Jedi Order fell because people broke the rules. They should've turned Anakin away: Windoo beat Sheev but for Anakin's betrayal. Anakin betrayed because he broke the no-romantic-attachments rule.

If they refused Anakin he couldn't have betrayed them. If Anakin didn't pursue Padme, Sheev couldn't have manipulated him (at least not in the way he did).

 

[LookAtMeGo]

Probably been asked a million times before, but is the "Aftermath" novel any good? Really craving for a good Star Wars read after seeing the movie.

I have not read it myself but have not heard good things.

 

[Sesuadra]

There's a five part comic about Kenobi and Annakin starting the week after New Years, if anyone's curious.

It's when he first brings him on as his Padawan.

mhhh..so I'll have to wait 6 months for the "6 comics in one book" thing, right?

Probably been asked a million times before, but is the "Aftermath" novel any good? Really craving for a good Star Wars read after seeing the movie.

have not read it, but it seems to be a not so good book..I mean just look at those amazon reviews.

 

[Toxi]

Probably been asked a million times before, but is the "Aftermath" novel any good? Really craving for a good Star Wars read after seeing the movie.

Do you enjoy reading present tense prose?

If so, you might like it.

If not, try something else.

 

[Aselith]

For the guy that was wondering if Daniel Craig is the mind controlled stormtrooper earlier...not sure if it was already confirmed but Peter Sciretta confirmed it on the Slash Filmcast so yep, it was him.

 

[Squire]

mhhh..so I'll have to wait 6 months for the "6 comics in one book" thing, right?

A trade collection, yes

 

[MMarston]

Reading pre-TFA stuff with Han gonna be weird because now I'm gonna be thinking about him same way I watched Obi-Wan in the prequels.

 

[Sesuadra]

A trade collection, yes

thanks

 

[PHOTOSHOP]

some detail of ships

 

[Squire]

I'm gonna have to buy this book, too.

 

[JeremyEtcetera]

So much detail for a ship that was shown for 10 seconds and immediately blown up. Maybe it will find use in future SW video games/books.