That's all he was. He wasn't even a character.
Fuck it, I don't have the time to break down the rest.
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That's all he was. He wasn't even a character.
Fuck it, I don't have the time to break down the rest.
Nah, there are people with enough judgement to understand why people appreciate different aspect of a movie at a higher level than others.
But if you coldly analyze both movie, Miller did a far better job using the cinematic language than Abrams ever could, it's not even close. There is an obvious gap in skill and execution, but this is not something that interest most fan of movies. It's why very few people actually care for those which are considered high art. Just look at the subjects proposed and the use of the film language which usually doesn't make any concession for the masses (if people talk about pacing problems in blockbusters, what about when a director deliberately slow the pace to a crawl like Antonioni?).
A movie having humor or being "fun" is irrelevant to me when it come to my appreciation of it. When I look at the TFA construction, it's obvious that Abrams was quite sloppy at different part of the movie while Miller was not for Fury Road.
Star Wars Ranking:
ESB > TFA = ANH > ROTJ > ROTS > TPM > Holiday Special > AOTC
AOTC is hot garbage, it's impossible for me to re-watch it because it's just so cringe-inducing.
But The Force Awakens isn't even the best Episode VII of the last two months. 🙃
Gray Matter
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So it seems like a lot of people here don't like the saber battles in the PT, I loved them. They were great in TFA too.
And yet he was still way more memorable than Count Dooku
Shit, I don't think you're wrong here.
ProudCanuck
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I have said this before but if you want to consider Rey has Mary Sue then you might as well consider Luke as an even bigger one. He evaded vader in the space battle and curved the shot to destroy the death star. IN TFA, Even Ren and Chewbacca were able to injure Ren. The notion is pretty clear that Rey is more force sensitive than Ren
I loved TFA, but me and my friends actually stated the same when we got out of the theater. The movie was great, but it felt too familiar, too safe, like done with a checklist.
Only the lowest quality
I should've followed that conversation better. Didn't realize this was AoTC v TPM.
Maul canonically got clowned on for the rest of his life by the emperor though.
It's a bit sad.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
I tend to remember Dooku at least relatively fondly, mostly just due to Christopher god damn Lee. I also thought it was cool how he was the only actual fencer when it came to light saber fights.
I'm still salty on ROTS not giving us the Grievous we deserved.
You know, the one that was pwning bitches left and right in the 2003 Clone Wars?
I mean, if you're gonna go ham, just go all out.
TFA is much more guilty of rehashing the OT than the prequels. In fact , many SW fans like the film because it evokes the OT more than the prequels, which at least try to introduce new ideas and imagery into the SW universe.
I wish Lucas hadn't excised Padme's subplot, because it gave her something to actually do in the movie. She was originally helping to form a proto-Rebel organization with Bail and Mon Mothma. Deleted scenes are on the DVD/Blu Ray.
ryutaro's mama
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But The Force Awakens isn't even the best Episode VII of the last two months. 🙃
Truth.
People walking around with those "new-ness, this ain't total shiet like the PT" googles on.
MM and CREED are my top movies of 2015 and it ain't even close.
meanspartan
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I basically agree with RLM stance on this, he has a cool lightsaber and facepaint in place of an actual personality or character.
The Librarian
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One reason TFA is my favorite Star Wars film is due to the fact that its treatment of its female characters is lightyears ahead of all other films.
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
I never saw it, but didn't hear anything good. It looks like people involved with the show made it; surprised it wasn't better.
Saw it for the second time this time in the 70mm IMAX dome in Tampa.
1) dome viewing a little odd since the sides are stretched
2) but the size and clarity was awesome for many scenes
3) falcon jakku chase was the IMAX scene and it was incredible
General observations
- I love everything up to the rathtars. Rey in jakku so good. And Finn interaction. Love how Rey says she has no idea how she piloted so well. Dat force.
- the rathtars scene is fine enough just not as strong.
- I looked for clues that Han knows who Rey is. No specific glances though him offering her a job seemed like a possibility as well as the Maz question cut.
- the long shot on Rey when Han is talking about Luke and Jedi
- Kylo seems to know who Rey is. Goes ballistic when he hears a girl from jakku is involved but then again if she was hidden from him, how should he know? So he shouldn't. Maybe just cause it's a female and he knows that there's a female force crusher out there?
- Rey force grabbing Luke's saber one of the top 5 Star Wars moments. So perfect
- I dismiss all comments about Finn and Rey doing well against Kylo. You obviously aren't watching the duel that close
- someone said Finn goes out like a bitch. Uh he was protecting someone he cares about and got crushed by a powerful force user. No chance Finn is force sensitive IMO
- leia seems to know who Rey is. Going to her straight away when they return. Seeing her off. Not going with Rey to get Luke cause she knows Rey is the person that needs to approach Luke.
- I hope r2 turned on cause Rey is there not cause bb8 beeped.
- I still hate that helicopter shot.
Personal rank:
1) empire 10/10
2) force awakens 9/10, a new hope 9/10
4) ROTJ 7/10 (has my favorite scene of all with Luke dark side vs Vader but man a lot is meh)
5) rots 6/10
6) tpm 5/10
7) aotc 4/10
1) dome viewing a little odd since the sides are stretched
2) but the size and clarity was awesome for many scenes
3) falcon jakku chase was the IMAX scene and it was incredible
General observations
- I love everything up to the rathtars. Rey in jakku so good. And Finn interaction. Love how Rey says she has no idea how she piloted so well. Dat force.
- the rathtars scene is fine enough just not as strong.
- I looked for clues that Han knows who Rey is. No specific glances though him offering her a job seemed like a possibility as well as the Maz question cut.
- the long shot on Rey when Han is talking about Luke and Jedi
- Kylo seems to know who Rey is. Goes ballistic when he hears a girl from jakku is involved but then again if she was hidden from him, how should he know? So he shouldn't. Maybe just cause it's a female and he knows that there's a female force crusher out there?
- Rey force grabbing Luke's saber one of the top 5 Star Wars moments. So perfect
- I dismiss all comments about Finn and Rey doing well against Kylo. You obviously aren't watching the duel that close
- someone said Finn goes out like a bitch. Uh he was protecting someone he cares about and got crushed by a powerful force user. No chance Finn is force sensitive IMO
- leia seems to know who Rey is. Going to her straight away when they return. Seeing her off. Not going with Rey to get Luke cause she knows Rey is the person that needs to approach Luke.
- I hope r2 turned on cause Rey is there not cause bb8 beeped.
- I still hate that helicopter shot.
Personal rank:
1) empire 10/10
2) force awakens 9/10, a new hope 9/10
4) ROTJ 7/10 (has my favorite scene of all with Luke dark side vs Vader but man a lot is meh)
5) rots 6/10
6) tpm 5/10
7) aotc 4/10
LookAtMeGo
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I really need to see this. I love boxing movies. From Raging bull to Rocky, Gladiator, Southpaw, The Fighter... Creed looks so good.But The Force Awakens isn't even the best Episode VII of the last two months. 🙃
there is some kind of linguistic problem here, when I say "isn't better than" it means "n'est pas mieux que" which seems to meana different thing in English, like I said in my own thread, it's not like TFA isn't better than the PT but it's not better too... damn it's confusing.
it's a better bad movie ( but still is a bad movie ) that still is better but still a bad Star Wars movie, if you understand what I mean... T_T
it's a better bad movie ( but still is a bad movie ) that still is better but still a bad Star Wars movie, if you understand what I mean... T_T
AotC is a boring rehash of Empire, straight down to the romance storyline.
TFA was at least entertaining.
Aotc made a version of Empires that made me want to sleep. That's almost criminal.
I don't even know if I could put AOTC below the Holiday Special. The Holiday Special was a certain type of unwatchable that even booze couldn't make fun. AOTC at least has that scene where Anakin gets pissed and murders the sand people (which is the only time he ever really felt like Vader in the prequels)
WadiumArcadium
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It had a rocky start. Thankfully it wasn't indicative of the quality of the show overall.
But The Force Awakens isn't even the best Episode VII of the last two months. 🙃
Isn't this just a Rocky remake?
Theodoricos
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This. Finally someone said it.
If people hold up TFA to the standards that they hold the original trilogy, then there's a lot of flaws that the OT shares with this movie. Star Wars has always been a classic, traditional hero's journey that is primarily character-driven, and the movies shine in how well they're executed, not because they have deep or intricate storylines.
what?
I loved Creed until the third act, where it then felt like I was watching the first Rocky over. That's when the film really soured on me.
I know people are going to say the first two acts are the same as Rocky, and they are, but with the new characters and a modern day setting, they just felt fresh to me, unlike the fight.
ryutaro's mama
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Did you see CREED?
Did you see TFA?
So just like how I felt about TFA.
People acting like that 3rd act of TFA was original filmmaking!
meanspartan
Member
Ehhhh.
After the second time I watched it, the ANH similarities started to fade for me. Yes, of course the skeletal plot structure is very much like ANH.
But in ANH, the whole climax was Luke blowing up the death star. In this one, destroying the superweapon was actually kind of a subplot, a plot device used to set up the REAL climax, which was Han Solo's death and then the duels, and that was nothing like ANH.
Superficially, yes, the film copies a lot of ANH. But if you dig even a little bit deeper, I think it is more original than it will ever get credit for probably.
But The Force Awakens isn't even the best Episode VII of the last two months. 🙃
No lies detected.
LookAtMeGo
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Dafaq does the bolded have to do with you liking Creed and Mad Max?
It uses the same plot lines and story from Rocky movies. Or does this not count?
Joe Shlabotnik
Banned
If you want to argue TPM has more interesting concepts, that's fair, but it's a little premature to say an entire trilogy has more interesting ideas than part one of a new trilogy.
Luke is pretty much the picture perfect definition of the traditional hero's journey archetype, except spread through three movies. Rey will likely be the same, so the first film mostly just shows her early days. The trials and low points will follow later.
I'd argue that Attack of the Clones was Lucas and company going "lets remake Empire Strikes Back but make it as shitty as possible".
FlashbladeGAF
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Rey did the number one thing Yoda stresses in his training with Luke.
Clear your mind.
Ren, was struggling with the light and the dark side of the force, pain from Chewy's attack, anger over "the traitor" (Fin) causing all of their plans to fail, as well as killing his Father which didn't give him the feeling he was looking for.
Rey was just afraid.
She was always a good fighter, because she had to be to survive.
Once she got over her fear of Kylo, she simply handled shit like she normally does. Only this time assisted with the power of the Force.
the Force isn't someone who can twirl a lightsaber better,even though that's what the prequels want you to believe.
I really loved it. The fights are incredible. One fight plays out as a single tracking shot spanning multiple rounds. It's exhilarating.
It really is an interesting movie to foil against this one. I think Creed handles the weight of legacy much more elegantly than TFA. But of course the Rocky and Star Wars legacies are very different.
LookAtMeGo
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Is that an ewokkie?
Great post. Love the callback to yoda and Luke.
It's mostly a joke, I would rather watch AOTC over it but it's just *such* a bad movie.
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