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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #2) - One Thumb Up
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Gozer the Gozerian
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I know it's twisted logic but I'm kinda glad that they got their new death star out of the way in VII, because I feel like there's no way they'll go back to that well again for this trilogy. If it didn't happen here I'd be anticipating its return in Episode IX
eot
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Opening the movie with the line "this will begin to set things right" was ice cold.
Also, quite a few pages back there was some big argument over Rey being able to pilot the Falcon, but I'm pretty sure she says to Finn (when they're talking over eachother) that she's flown other ships before (as if it wasn't obvious).
Also, quite a few pages back there was some big argument over Rey being able to pilot the Falcon, but I'm pretty sure she says to Finn (when they're talking over eachother) that she's flown other ships before (as if it wasn't obvious).
I guess the most we can agree on is that Midichlorians were unnecessary.
We only disagree on that you think they make things more confusing, while I believe they are irrelevant.
CD'S BAR
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I wouldn't count out another death star at all for ix, or another super weapon at the very least.
PrivateWHudson
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Can you answer any of my questions? Unnecessary tech speak is the halmark of sci-fi. That's not only unneeded, but unwanted as well in fantasy. It goes against the grain of what separates Star Wars from the rest of the "space" movies.
LegendOfGood
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'I am your father. And your uncle.'
Rockandrollclown
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Yeah, I absolutely love what they did with Kylo Ren. In a movie that was very by the numbers he definitely stood out as something unexpected. I look forward to seeing his growth as a villain, which is something you typically don't see that much of.
Inferno313
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That's a lovely read of the content in the film, but apparently the novelization makes it clear that Kylo Ren is aware of Vader's fate, and considers it a momentary lapse, not a true reversal.
Already Torn
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Right?? It shows how much Luke fucked up though if he refused to tell anyone what happened aboard the second Death Star.
"I want to be strong like Vader"
"My father knew that family was more important than power, he chose my life over the Sheev's and his own."
"You lie!"
"No, just ask him. Hayden Christensen's ghost ladies and gentlemen!"
If nothing else that kind makes Rylo even more pathetic yeah?
Here's the thing. Prequel haters always bitch about "they explain too much!!"
And then here you are, asking even more questions.
The answer to your questions are never given. There is nothing official. The fact that you are wondering for those answers makes me think you as a fan are the problem here, not the movies.
remember when star wars was this?
A production shot?
There are loads more tracks from the movie here http://waltdisneystudiosawards.com/#/star-wars/music than there are on the actual soundtrack, if anyone's interested.
fuckin novelizations
I think it can amount to him learning to be wrong, still. He wasnt there, he wants to think it was a lapse but Luke knows it wasnt. He wants purpose so he wants Vader to be this huge figure that he seemed to be but wasnt, there's room for him to learn the truth still.
it still works dammit
Really? I wouldn't be shocked if this wasn't the only one, and they converted a bunch of planets into Starkillers. I mean the non-Jedi need something to fight against in the next movie.
remember when star wars was this?
HAHAHAHA
The Sith were mentioned in Episode VII alright.
Already Torn
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Apparently she did 😞
Luckily they completely ignored all that garbage, even if they did name-drop then Sith. Nobody said called him Padawan Kylo and there's no Darth Snoke or whatever.
So many midichlorians in this pictureremember when star wars was this?
Setzer
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Saw the movie on Friday and thought it was good, not great. The acting and characters were top notch, loved Rey, Poe, Finn and Kylo Ren. Harrision Ford was great as Han Solo again. I was a little worried after the last Indiana Jones movie that we wouldn't be able to deliver a solid performance but he did. Slightly disappointed we only saw like 30sec of Luke but I loved the ending shot and makes me that much more excited for Ep. VIII. I Loved that it felt like a Star Wars movie, something I didn't feel with the prequels. Movie leaves us with a lot of questions and I like that....I love speculating and talking with friends about who is who and what is what.
My two biggest gripes with the movie were pacing and technically a 3rd Death Star. I thought the events in the movie moved to quickly. I felt liked they tried to cram too much in 2hrs 16min and wish they would have fleshed out the story a little more. I mean, in one instance we go from Finn being a Stormtrooper, then defecting and then bro-hugging it out with Poe. I loved the on-screen chemistry between Finn and Poe but it seemed rushed....just like a lot of the events in the movie. I would have been fine with another hour added to it and I think the movie needed it.
Wasn't a fan of the Star Killer base planet blowing up. Seriously, did we really need that? I felt no emotion whatsoever when that happened. All they needed to do was disable the weapon and leave it at that. For me, blowing up the entire planet added nothing to the movie.
Overall I'd give the movie a 7.5/10. It was far and away better than any of the prequels and I'd rank it right there with RotJ as my 3rd favorite Star Wars film.
My two biggest gripes with the movie were pacing and technically a 3rd Death Star. I thought the events in the movie moved to quickly. I felt liked they tried to cram too much in 2hrs 16min and wish they would have fleshed out the story a little more. I mean, in one instance we go from Finn being a Stormtrooper, then defecting and then bro-hugging it out with Poe. I loved the on-screen chemistry between Finn and Poe but it seemed rushed....just like a lot of the events in the movie. I would have been fine with another hour added to it and I think the movie needed it.
Wasn't a fan of the Star Killer base planet blowing up. Seriously, did we really need that? I felt no emotion whatsoever when that happened. All they needed to do was disable the weapon and leave it at that. For me, blowing up the entire planet added nothing to the movie.
Overall I'd give the movie a 7.5/10. It was far and away better than any of the prequels and I'd rank it right there with RotJ as my 3rd favorite Star Wars film.
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remember when star wars was this?
Shoo, shoo, pew pew! Shoo
Yup, that's my fear when it comes to influencing the plot. Star Wars now has a strong female fighting lead. She appeals to many young girls, she can't just turn bad on them. For any wrestling fans, she's like the John Cena of Star Wars.
Kylo definitely knows that Anakin turned at the end. That's why he's worried about Light Side seduction. He wants to "finish what Vader started" because he thinks Vader's turn at the end was a tragic failure of an otherwise great man. Right? He's trying to surpass Vader by killing his family; killing family wasn't something Vader was willing to do. If Vader had killed Luke maybe he'd've achieved the Dark Side godhead.
I actually like that dynamic more than him not knowing about Anakin's turn.
I guess the most we can agree on is that Midichlorians were unnecessary.
We only disagree on that you think they make things more confusing, while I believe they are irrelevant.
See my comment about Ren in that same post. I'm being cheeky there but also... the existence of a force ceiling bothers me more than zero. Nobody ever wants to hear what Ren's count is.
I thought so! My autocorrect is also having a field day with all these names. I meant Maz
This really seems like it should be the thing I don't know why they didn't bother communicating it in the movie.
Some people read his poor performance in the woods as reflecting an inner turmoil over this but I don't know if that tracks. Maybe killing Han did bring him up to his full potential, but unfortunately he was born with low midiclorians count so that's as far as he can go.
I think there's room for it to bloom in the coming movies, it's not too late, going forward, for that be fully explored. I don't think it would have fit anywhere in the end during the fight. They didn't even show us him being found and people think there wasnt enough time for him to get picked up and off planet because they were being so economical with time by that point.
A planet absorbed a sun, disabling it was always going to destroy it.
Obi-Wan vs Anakin was perfectly fine if you cut the flashy stuff that was added to one up not only Star Wars fights but POTC and sword fights in cinema history(wire swing, lava surfing, pillar falling)
It actually told a character story fine
2 highly skilled Jedi.
Obi-Wan goes for one maybe two offensive attacks that entire fight.
Meanwhile Anakin is just raging out and trying to brute force it.
I really wish Lucas hadn't added that extra crap and spliced the Yoda fight into it because honestly its a darn good 1on1 saber fight.
Honestly the Obi-Wan/Anakin fight is really good until right around TwirlingLightsabers.gif, and then the fight begins to jump the shark because Lucas thinks just one-upping the spectacle eye-candy makes something epic. I also agree that splicing the Yoda/Palpatine fight into it ruins it (because that fight is fucking awful)
Well it's true, there's no real emotion for the audience going into this. But it's not really a fault of this fight, it's a general fault of the prequels failing to really build up Anakin and Obi-Wan's final confrontation.
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Really? I wouldn't be shocked if this wasn't the only one, and they converted a bunch of planets into Starkillers. I mean the non-Jedi need something to fight against in the next movie.
Lords of the Seth would make a good stable prior to his return.
Ren's count is actually quite irrelevant, even taking the prequels into account. It won't be mentioned, and it shouldn't.
I'm pretty sure it's discussed in the film as well. Him and Snoke say roughly the same thing, not having a moment of weakness like Vader did. It seemed clear to me Kylo knew all about Vader and his goal is to fulfill Vader's initial plan without making Vader's mistakes.
PrivateWHudson
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There's a fine line. If you don't see it, that's great and I'm glad you can enjoy it. Either keep it vague and just call it fucking magic, or explain it in a way that makes sense. Don't give me a half ass explanation and expect me not to think about that explanation at all.
remember when star wars was this?
that's cool too, but it actually works both ways. If the novelization says he knows about the lapse and we go by what you're saying he still has to learn about who vader really was, and if that's whats pushing the light onto him he can ultimately learn that's the proper way and there was no lapse
you can do a lot of fun stuff with the character really, he's fucking brilliant
and I really love the idea of him not knowing as much about Vader as Luke does, for example, and that coming to play in the sequels. that's a bit of what puts me towards my original point (as unlikely as it may be) cause it's a really cool concept of him following an idea that is ultimately wrong and the previous story has "proven" so, rather than evil for evil's sake
Luke and Kylo sharing a scene will be bangin
Interfectum
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I'm going with no more super weapon, but super fleet and lots of soldiers. I have a feeling we'll see a lot of ground wars and occupation.
Already Torn
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Great interpretation! Kylo's so cool. Hopefully we get a lot more of him without his mask in the next one, there's no point to the mask when training alone with Snoke right?
DiipuSurotu
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I think the best part in the Han/Kylo scene over the pit is that at no point did Kylo lie to Han. Everything he said to Han was honest, including when he asked Han to help him do "what is right".
Lifejumper
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Damn Hayden Christensens career took a nosedive after episode 3. Kinda feel bad, I mean he had to work with a pretty shitty script.
But you see, even that half-assed explanation is basically about magic, too.
As I said, don't think I'm some pro-midichlorian dude. Given the choice I would've left those things out of the story, too. But they actually change nothing. They modify nothing. They are basically irrelevant either so they have absolutely no effect on my enjoyment of either the prequels or the originals.
This is kind of why I want him to appear as a Force Ghost at some point in the sequel trilogy. At least give him some minor chance to prove that it was all George's fault. I don't think it's a coincidence that Hayden's best acting in the PT tends to be the parts where he has to be silent and emote instead of reading George's awful dialogue.
Adoption, I could see being the twist, definitely. Been mulling that one over for a good bit.
Inferno313
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Another interesting aspect regarding Kylo that is apparently in the novelization, is that killing Han didn't accomplish what he wanted it to for himself. He was wrecked with guilt and trying to suppress the light during that fight with Rey and Finn.
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To be fair, I got the same exact feeling from the movie itself. Killing Han was simply not enough to make a full shift to the dark side.
potatohead
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It says a lot about Disney's targeting of the female audience for the future.
It makes good business sense, which is why it is happening.
As a side effect we get to see an incredible woman actor playing the main role in Star Wars and be a role model for all the young girls and woman growing up today who finally get to see them be the lead in probably the most important fairy tale/space opera series of all time.
So if there's anything bad, for me it is completely overwhelmed by the good things this means for movies as a medium and for society as a whole.
Yes, Star Wars is that important of a cultural touchpoint. These movies today are what heroes and legends and fairy tales were for decades and centuries before us. They need to represent our socially conscious culture and justice for now and into the future.
Disney is sure going to milk the hell out of the female audience with Rey growing up with this Star Wars now, but I'll take the (excellent) good that Rey represents for woman broadly with the (lesser) bad.
I'm pretty sure that was 100% intentional, and it was great
Gozer the Gozerian
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It'll be pretty unfortunate if the only thing the writers can think of to give the non-Jedi something to fight against is to continue pumping out more planet-killing spacestations
Two things:
Rey should have briefly tried to force pull defeated Kylo into the chasm with him clutching at the snow. This would have shown that even she has that dark potential. I know she had just started using the force but she did pull the saber towards herself so in that intense moment a reflex might have had her able to pull him even just slightly. It would have given her even more depth of character and when Luke ends up training her the audience will know that she had a moment and that even she could go bad like Kylo.
Rey should have kissed Finn on the lips while he was unconscious. Hollywood pretends to be progressive but are scared to death of showing a kiss. People who say they didn't want romance make no sense. Sexual tension is important in Star Wars and always has been. I hope this changes in the next film. I expect that Finn ends up with Lando's daughter or something stupid like that. Interracial relationships happen it shouldn't be that edgy. Screw the "backlash" because we all know "backlash" is really just a vocal minority in comment groups and forums. Most don't care imo. If Finn stays friend-zoned with Rey and she ends up with that Poe guy I will lol.
Rey should have briefly tried to force pull defeated Kylo into the chasm with him clutching at the snow. This would have shown that even she has that dark potential. I know she had just started using the force but she did pull the saber towards herself so in that intense moment a reflex might have had her able to pull him even just slightly. It would have given her even more depth of character and when Luke ends up training her the audience will know that she had a moment and that even she could go bad like Kylo.
Rey should have kissed Finn on the lips while he was unconscious. Hollywood pretends to be progressive but are scared to death of showing a kiss. People who say they didn't want romance make no sense. Sexual tension is important in Star Wars and always has been. I hope this changes in the next film. I expect that Finn ends up with Lando's daughter or something stupid like that. Interracial relationships happen it shouldn't be that edgy. Screw the "backlash" because we all know "backlash" is really just a vocal minority in comment groups and forums. Most don't care imo. If Finn stays friend-zoned with Rey and she ends up with that Poe guy I will lol.
He can't act, if he could his then career would have survived the prequels, like Natalie Portman's did. Good actors appear in shit films all the time, but a shit actor in a shit film? He was never going to make it. He only ever had the looks.
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