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Damn. I reactivated my facebook profile yesterday and it gave me one of the strongest melancholy feelings I've felt since I started taking mood stabilizers. Remembering who I used to be before depression took over my life has made me really sad and at the same time is giving me the push I need to move forward.

As an aside does anyone know how to deal with the sedating effects of seroquel?
 
Facebook is always a deathole for me. People show no restrain in declaring their dislike for me in public, on facebook.... clearly an attempt to drive me out... theyve won, Im gone. Cant say its underserved, I have been a shitty guy; pretty sure im retarded, supposed to be on medication, but trying not to go that route, nothing was different when i was on them... I am devatated... some guy said its in my dna to be full of shit. Deep inside I DO KNOW THIS I deserve every single piece of it.
 
On a 2 week winter break after my first semester of medical school. Felt depressed yesterday and today. Only have a few select friends here who I hang out with and they've been busy lately. Video games satisfies me most days but some days I just feel really down and alone. I've also had some issues where I hate my body a lot, so I work out every other day but I still feel so unattractive but that's another issue I suppose...

I kinda hate everything. It's weird because the holiday season is my favorite but since I just finished school on the 18th and I'm going back across the country on the 2nd, I feel like I have no time for anything.
 
So I only have a month to go before I leave work. My only contingency is still a plan and have not materialized yet. My sister I believe is willing to help me procure a loan to be used as capital for the business that I want to start.

Anyway at work, my bosses talked to me about my situation. They simply are incompetent in handling a situation such as the one I have. They kept speaking about the realities of life and how I should have a positive outlook. Lectures are simply the least thing I want right now. Not one actually listened. Mental health is truly still a taboo here in the Philippines.
 
Piano said:
Well, MisterLuffy, I don't know what to offer other than my perspective, which I hope you can trust is not lip service. It is how I honestly, truly, sincerely feel.

I rarely think of it as a matter of just "staying positive". Yes, over our lifetimes, it's important to learn how to cultivate a positive perspective on things - that is something we're always working on. But from everything you've written, everything I've read, I don't think it's simply a matter of saying "I NEED TO THINK MORE POSITIVELY", forcing yourself to do so and then being happily content. I know I've harped on this many, many times, but it seems most important that you learn, first and foremost, to be gentle with yourself, to figure out why you despise yourself as much as you do and go about working on trying to slowly change that. In nearly every sentence of your post you're being unreasonably harsh on yourself - I hope you can see that as you reread it! Just because you're having trouble in school, or don't enjoy your job all the time, or have friends who don't always know what advice to give does not make you a failure. At all. Yet I can tell you this a million times and it won't override your own opinion of the situation; ultimately, some relief will have to come from within.

That takes a sort of intense self-reflection and learning that I've only been able to cultivate in a therapy setting. I know so much of my advice comes down to "try therapy!" but it really, really, truly can be so transformative to look at how we think and function and actually work at improving it, rather than just functioning under our strict rules and suffering.

For now, I hope you can believe me for at least a moment that you are not a failure. This is your first try at life, same as everyone else, and so finding interests, or figuring out jobs, or what have you, is going to take trial and error. And that is totally okay.

Thanks for answering me again. I'm going to try to stay positive and acknowledge that I'm different from the rest.
 
Don't go to /b/, we got you.

You're not alone. I felt quite alone yesterday, I should have checked in here.

I'm about to do some illustrating. Want me to draw you a picture?

It's not always the case, but there are people in the depgaf irc sometimes if people need to talk or feel less alone.
 
The holidays have been a very depressing time for me for a while. It use to be that we would all gather at my moms. But im not allowed over there anymore. So me and my wife and kids just did our own thing. She (my wife) left me about 5 months ago so I have to spend the holidays at home, alone. Makes me sad and very depressed.
 
The holidays have been a very depressing time for me for a while. It use to be that we would all gather at my moms. But im not allowed over there anymore. So me and my wife and kids just did our own thing. She (my wife) left me about 5 months ago so I have to spend the holidays at home, alone. Makes me sad and very depressed.

We're here bro. Get cosy and watch some movies. I'll be spending my Xmas eve working but I'll be spending the new years eve in my home probably with my brother if he comes around and we'll probably end up watching some epic to welcome the new year.
 
The holidays have been a very depressing time for me for a while. It use to be that we would all gather at my moms. But im not allowed over there anymore. So me and my wife and kids just did our own thing. She (my wife) left me about 5 months ago so I have to spend the holidays at home, alone. Makes me sad and very depressed.

I hear you. I used to spend the holidays with my best friend but he moved overseas this year so I'm alone for the first time in a while. I'm not dealing with it particularly well.
 
The holidays have been a very depressing time for me for a while. It use to be that we would all gather at my moms. But im not allowed over there anymore. So me and my wife and kids just did our own thing. She (my wife) left me about 5 months ago so I have to spend the holidays at home, alone. Makes me sad and very depressed.

I hear you. I used to spend the holidays with my best friend but he moved overseas this year so I'm alone for the first time in a while. I'm not dealing with it particularly well.

You will get digital hug intentions.

But really, for both of you. This sort of thing can be rough until you are feeling better or your mind starts to reframe things. Hopefully a bit of both.
 
You will get digital hug intentions.

But really, for both of you. This sort of thing can be rough until you are feeling better or your mind starts to reframe things. Hopefully a bit of both.

I might have a place to go on Christmas Day but it's greatly dependent on the state of the roads, which is I suppose a different issue. ;) But it tends to be the lead up to Christmas that affects me the most anyway.
 
I might have a place to go on Christmas Day but it's greatly dependent on the state of the roads, which is I suppose a different issue. ;) But it tends to be the lead up to Christmas that affects me the most anyway.

People in the states drive like it's the apocalypse when there's not even 2 inches of snow. It's one of the weirdest things I've ever experienced.
 
Sudden and unexpected ends to friendships are deeply hurtful, cosmicblizzard, and I'm sorry you had to go that. I am inclined to agree with your psychologist, though - the instinct may be to pull back and close off from others in order to protect yourself but in doing so we cut ourselves off from connecting to others, and ultimately if you were able to find friends once (however slow of a process it was) you can find them again. Unless you live in a town of 25 people on the arctic circle, maybe, but I am guessing that is not your situation!

Do you have any fix on why, perhaps, it takes you so long to warm up to people or like them? Are you suspicious of other people, or afraid of their judgments? Or perhaps something else entirely?

(Also, I do not think your takeaway is universally true, though there is something to be said for only some friendships working as roommates)

Sorry I took so long to respond. Didn't see this.

Anyway, I mostly just find people boring, which I imagine is a factor in warming up to them. It takes a lot for me to actually think "yeah, I want to hang out with this person", even if I've been exposed to them long enough to make an accurate judgement. Though I probably have developed some suspicion towards them as well after all this crap.

I also feel it's a bit tough to make friends in your late 20s. I'm the only person younger than 60 at my job and that's generally the most outside human contact I get.

I guess at some point I'll have to force myself to put myself out there, but with the mindset I have now, nothing's going to change even if I do, which I've learned from the high school reunion and a few parties I've been to since all this started. I'd like to remain hopeful and I still probably got a long life ahead of me, so I imagine things will work out at some point. It just doesn't seem feasible to me in the near future.
 
Two inches of snow shuts Seattle down. It's very, very funny.

It blows my mind. I don't blame people- I've had my share of close calls in bad weather, but nothing major. But I have seen overturned semi's and the highways lined with ditched cars in what I call "vanity snow" weather conditions in America.
 
After six months of being on anti-depressants and anticyclic medication, I can see I've seen improvement in my emotional state. Its more of a mind over matter and disciplining yourself is key for starting on the right foot. It surely isn't easy, having anxiety, depression and OCD makes it rough but the depression is slowly going away and I'm learning to control my anxiety and OCD. Something I could have never said back in June. Keep up the good fight folks, 35% of the way there and I ain't stopping this gravy train!
 
I wish I'd taken better care of my teeth over the last ten to fifteen years, because I'm now dealing with pain, discomfort and issues but don't have benefits. I may soon, but am worried about how much will need to be done to fix them, and how far gone they could be.
 
Ugh. Feeling especially shitty today. Whole body feels sore and whatnot and my depression is especially harsh.
 
You sounds like you need a hug.

Don't go to /b/, we got you.

You're not alone. I felt quite alone yesterday, I should have checked in here.

I'm about to do some illustrating. Want me to draw you a picture?

Thank you guys.
Sometimes when i'm feeling down i look for a feels or baw thread. Vent my frustrations.
Receive a pat on the back and feel better about it. I just want to feel that there's someone else out there. If that makes sense.

I had a shitty day yesterday. And had no one to talk about it.
Nothing really serious happened and no one blamed me. But i have low self esteem and felt like shit.
 
My mom is dead and this is the first Christmas without her.

Fuck everything right now. I cry everyday since she left us.

Fuck Cancer.


All my mental issues + this = I might be dead in 2016
 
My mom is dead and this is the first Christmas without her.

Fuck everything right now. I cry everyday since she left us.

Fuck Cancer.


All my mental issues + this = I might be dead in 2016

I know how you feel. I was much younger when it happened but I still felt it hard then and still do till this day. My dad passed away suddenly when I was around 9 years old. It will take time and it will get easier but it will never completely go away the pain you feel. Stay strong and try and keep positive no matter how hard that might be right now.
 
My mom is dead and this is the first Christmas without her.

Fuck everything right now. I cry everyday since she left us.

Fuck Cancer.


All my mental issues + this = I might be dead in 2016

Sorry for your loss. I can't even imagine how hard it must be. Know that we're here for you.

My Mom's had health issues, and beat cancer twice (it was in her lung, which had to be removed, and it metastasized in her brain a couple of years later). She had to have radiation and surgery.

She's immobile and in a hospital bed because of resulting infections, and gets seizures every month or six weeks, and it scares me. I'm worried we'll lose her. I'm still young, and she's everything to me.

I'm her main caregiver outside of my father.

I know how you feel. I was much younger when it happened but I still felt it hard then and still do till this day. My dad passed away suddenly when I was around 9 years old. It will take time and it will get easier but it will never completely go away the pain you feel. Stay strong and try and keep positive no matter how hard that might be right now.

Sorry for your loss
 
I agree with Sub Boss that the feeling of being alone is very different from the literal physical reality of being alone. You can be totally physically alone but feel a sense of belonging if you're able to carry others' support and care with you; conversely, it's possible to be in a crowd of people and feel totally disconnected. The question is, what sorts of things affect that sense of loneliness or connection in you? It's slightly different for everyone.

I don't think meditation is ever really a bad idea, because at the very least it'll let your feelings sort of bubble up to the surface and express themselves. I often cry when I meditate because I'm finally letting through my feelings of sadness and loneliness, and I feel better afterwards.

Sorry to get to it so late, but I think it has to do with ego. For example, playing the story of "me" of the mind, I compare that image with the concepts made of others, and in that game of comparison there is a feeling of lack. Of course, it is not simply a lack of whatever my mind is comparing, but a true lack of being present, engaged and with the goings on, moment by moment.

That's the sense of being alone, I guess. Caught in the mind and pettiness which creates the isolation, and not genuinely here in presence which feeds it.

All of this reminds me of a quote from Jiddu Krishnamurti, who was legit as shit on the nature of mind and its problems.

"Throughout life, from childhood, from school until we die, we are taught to compare ourselves with another; yet when I compare myself with another I am destroying myself. In a school, in an ordinary school where there are a lot of boys, when one boy is compared with another who is very clever, who is the head of the class, what is actually taking place? You are destroying the boy. That’s what we are doing throughout life. Now, can I live without comparison—without comparison with anybody? This means there is no high, no low—there is not the one who is superior and the other who is inferior. You are actually what you are and to understand what you are, this process of comparison must come to an end. If I am always comparing myself with some saint or some teacher, some businessman, writer, poet, and all the rest, what has happened to me—what have I done? I only compare in order to gain, in order to achieve, in order to become—but when I don’t compare I am beginning to understand what I am. Beginning to understand what I am is far more fascinating, far more interesting; it goes beyond all this stupid comparison."
 
So I completely fucked up one of the most important and possibly valuable things I have ever attempted during my recovery. It's been a week as of today and it's killing me.

I have wanted a dog of my own ( not shared with or also trained by family) for ages but it's always been a financial or practical impossibility. This year as of about February I'd started talking with my psychiatrist about raising and training a psychiatric service dog ( there are no charity funded programs in my province that offer psychiatric dogs for veterans and first respondents.) We agreed in February that it was too soon and I was in no place financially to care for a a dog nevermind be raising an eight week old puppy.

Months pass, I have a crisis in April but slowly recover and determine that yes I would like to continue living. Things still aren't right for a dog to be joining my life but I spend spare time doing research, looking up local laws, joining service dog handler groups, asking questions and formulating a plan for how I will handle basic training, task training socialization etc when the time is finally right.

I get granted disability status in October, and start attending an 11 week dialectical behavior group I'd been referred by the psychiatrist. Things aren't great but they are better then they've been in a long time and while my physical health starts to get dicey in certain areas things are slowly starting to come together.

Early November my psychiatrist agrees to prescribe me a service dog. We talk about the challenges I'll face as an owner trainer even with the help of professional service dog trainers once the future pup is old enough to begin task training and public access training. I acknowledge that as a team we may wash out long before the pup ever graduated from service dog in training to an official service dog. Still I have wanted this forever and I have done so much work and i have accomplished so damn much in less than a year. I am still broken in a lot of ways but I can do this !

December 12th I bring home the world's sweetest standard poodle puppy from a wonderful breeder I annoyed half to death with my many questions on their breeding program, the assistance and service animals they'd already placed and had in training as well as various little things about the best health practices for x,y,z that I was somewhat sure of the answer of due to research but that I wanted their opinion on just in case.

My boy ( one of two pups I'd had held in reserve while I waited for the results of professional temperament testing to see which one starting out had the best chance to succeed as a service animal) was with me from early saturday afternoon to the following wednesday afternoon. in the space of a few days my physical and mental health tanked, i hallucinated, my mood swings were at dangerous levels as if i wasn't even medicated and I was quite ready to put myself in the hospital. The worst part was the pup was a god damn sweetie. He didn't bite or growl at people. He took to training with a clicker like he was a genius and aside from a bladder infection making him hard to house train he was everything the breeder and temperament assessor promised him to be.

He would have been perfect. Even if we had washed as a service team he would have been a wonderful pet and I sent him back because I wanted to die after several days of what turned out to be more responsibility and disrupted schedule than I could handle. Yes the day I called his breeder to ask for them come to pick him up I got more bad physical heath news and yes i as of that day have 2 new medications to get used to 9 with a third recommended non prescription one) and potential surgery on the horizon but god dammit I promised that pup he'd be with me forever no matter what and I lied.

I lied and I felt relief in those first few days he was gone and I could find balance again but now, now there's just emptiness and guilt. We could have made it. I could have held on, even maybe if I had to burn or cut the hell out of myself and spend a few nights in the hospital I could have waited out my brains fit and we'd be together now. I wanted him so badly and I had the rest of our lives planned and now it's over because I wasn't strong enough to tough out even a week of something I was so sure I was prepared for. I have been stomped on by calves, bit, pissed, clawed, pecked at, sprayed on and been made to bleed by various pets and farm animals in the past.

I was sure I could raise a puppy, so sure I had myself, the breeder and even the dog behaviorist certain I could make a great owner and potential service dog handler. I was wrong and what hurts most of all is that even though i know truly know it was best for mine and the pups health all i want is my little fluffy boy back. I want to tell him I really meant forever and feed him cookies and let him run about the yard proudly carrying a pinecone.

More than that I want what forever means, I want winter romps in the snow, fur soaked with spring slush and carrying teething items in my pockets for several months. I want puppy classes graduating into general obedience classes and hell maybe even competitive obedience or Rally-o where inevitably I screw up an otherwise qualifying run by giving the wrong signal or doing things in the wrong order. It would be okay though, a learning experience and we'd still have each other even if we never won a ribbon in anything.

Same as how even if i never got my running down to a competitive or proud to brag about on facebook level our outings together would always mean something because we'd be out there together. we were going to be partners in everything.

I wanted years of laying on the couch or bed together with me brushing out his long coat and grumbling about why couldn't I keep him in a nice short pet clip but no I wanted a proper looking fluffy poodle and line brushing takes forever but it's worth it.

Twelve to fifteen years down the line I wanted to be there with my old guy as he took his shorter walks, jumped a bit less high for the frisbee, maybe struggled to see or hear and eventually let me know that he was ready to take a journey I couldn't follow him on


Everyone tells me I made the right choice but it hurts so much, it stopped for a while but not it's even worse than the day i let him go.
 
Exercise, eating healthier, studying topics that interest me, pushing myself to go outside my comfort zone and finding purpose. My home environment doesn't help nurture those ventures; I really need to move out on my own, but not working is a massive obstacle. My goal right now is to get enough income to move somewhere that better serves my needs and hopefully stabilize to become a productive member of society. It all takes time, too much time.

Right now I just can't see anything in a positive light. I know it's there, but it's being covered by all the negativity.

What happened when you tried studying topics that interested you, AHB? How did the negativity play out?

Also, congrats on the weight loss, that's no easy feat!

For those who are dealing with their own personal demons, emotional baggage, or whatever, I want to say this:

It sounds so cliche, but suicide is never the answer. Even if you feel like there is nothing else to live for, there always is. You are in charge of who you are & what you do in your life, and you have to make the most of it. If you are alone and you are considering doing yourself in, PLEASE seek help!

You wonderful people have a solid Christmas (or winter holiday, if you prefer me to say that). And stay safe, where ever you are. :,)

Thanks for the holiday wishes, Blues! I'm glad to hear (& see) that things seem to be going a bit better :)

This is so true. I was (am?) at a point where nothing to do was the 'norm' and was content with it. Now I am an impasse on how to create meaning. There are days where (like right now) I feel like doing nothing because I don't feel accomplished nor do I feel any interest in indulging my interests and it makes me incredibly anxious. Thus, I feel like I am struggling to gain a sense of meaning in my life. I don't want to become some 'edgy internet nihilist' because quite honestly, that type of thinking is annoying, even to me.

There's an old French saying that essentially amounts to "you get your appetite while you eat" and that was the case for me when it came to working my way out of my "default" state of doing nothing. As I started doing a few things here and there and they were at least sorta semi enjoyable I was able to keep motivating myself to do other things and and built from there upwards. This was, of course, coupled with work on my end to try to finally confront why doing nothing had become my ideal. For me, it was because I couldn't deal with the anxieties and uncertainties of my future and so I wanted as much free time as possible so I could hold on to it and try to control it and just hope it would never end. Of course, that's not how it works.

Can you describe the state of anxiety you're in on those sorts of days? Does it center on your anxieties about accomplishment?

Doc put me on wellbutrin. We'll see how that goes, I guess. I just want something to change.

It works really, really well for a lot of people, Steamlord. It may cause some sleep troubles in the first few weeks but they'll pass. I hope for the best.

Damn. I reactivated my facebook profile yesterday and it gave me one of the strongest melancholy feelings I've felt since I started taking mood stabilizers. Remembering who I used to be before depression took over my life has made me really sad and at the same time is giving me the push I need to move forward.

As an aside does anyone know how to deal with the sedating effects of seroquel?

Facebook sucks. Full stop. I had to duck out of it for a year and a half when things were bad because it made me feel so, so bad. No shame in ducking out if you have to.

As for Seroquel, this may sound basic, but have you tried a cup of coffee in the morning? For a lot of people the issue is the morning "hangover" but once they shake it they're good to go. Obviously if you're having a persistent, all-day fatigue from it then you may need something different. Also, if you recently started taking it or upped your dose the fatigue WILL improve.

Facebook is always a deathole for me. People show no restrain in declaring their dislike for me in public, on facebook.... clearly an attempt to drive me out... theyve won, Im gone. Cant say its underserved, I have been a shitty guy; pretty sure im retarded, supposed to be on medication, but trying not to go that route, nothing was different when i was on them... I am devatated... some guy said its in my dna to be full of shit. Deep inside I DO KNOW THIS I deserve every single piece of it.

Why do you feel you're full of shit?
And why are you trying not to go the medication route?
(Sorry if answers are too probing, feel free to ignore)

On a 2 week winter break after my first semester of medical school. Felt depressed yesterday and today. Only have a few select friends here who I hang out with and they've been busy lately. Video games satisfies me most days but some days I just feel really down and alone. I've also had some issues where I hate my body a lot, so I work out every other day but I still feel so unattractive but that's another issue I suppose...

I kinda hate everything. It's weird because the holiday season is my favorite but since I just finished school on the 18th and I'm going back across the country on the 2nd, I feel like I have no time for anything.

Video games are fun ways to pass the time, Rainy, but I find that for me, a lot of the time, they just don't provide the sense of connection I need in order to keep marching through this life. Sometimes I can get by if I game / voice chat with a friend on Steam, though.

As far as attractiveness, I've long felt that it's a matter of meeting yourself in the middle; work on changing the things you (reasonably) can, and work on accepting what you cannot. For me, I felt better when I changed up my haircut, started working out and got some better fitting clothes, but I also had to open up to myself and others about what I didn't like about myself and go about making peace with my being who I am.

What do you mean when you say you kinda hate everything?

So I only have a month to go before I leave work. My only contingency is still a plan and have not materialized yet. My sister I believe is willing to help me procure a loan to be used as capital for the business that I want to start.

Anyway at work, my bosses talked to me about my situation. They simply are incompetent in handling a situation such as the one I have. They kept speaking about the realities of life and how I should have a positive outlook. Lectures are simply the least thing I want right now. Not one actually listened. Mental health is truly still a taboo here in the Philippines.

People want to help even when they cannot necessarily understand. I hope you're able to figure things out with help from your sister, jsnepo.

Thanks for answering me again. I'm going to try to stay positive and acknowledge that I'm different from the rest.

Of course, MisterLuffy. Even in trying to stay positive - which can mean a million things - try to be gentle with yourself! If we're forcing ourselves to be positive then that's not really much of a positive feeling at all!

The holidays have been a very depressing time for me for a while. It use to be that we would all gather at my moms. But im not allowed over there anymore. So me and my wife and kids just did our own thing. She (my wife) left me about 5 months ago so I have to spend the holidays at home, alone. Makes me sad and very depressed.

I cannot claim to understand the difficulties you're going through Faltimar. I'm sorry you're suffering, and I hope you can take things one day at a time. Sometimes, in tough times in my life, when everything seems too much, I take to writing in my journal every night: "one day at a time" over and over again. It helps, somehow.

Sorry I took so long to respond. Didn't see this.

Anyway, I mostly just find people boring, which I imagine is a factor in warming up to them. It takes a lot for me to actually think "yeah, I want to hang out with this person", even if I've been exposed to them long enough to make an accurate judgement. Though I probably have developed some suspicion towards them as well after all this crap.

I also feel it's a bit tough to make friends in your late 20s. I'm the only person younger than 60 at my job and that's generally the most outside human contact I get.

I guess at some point I'll have to force myself to put myself out there, but with the mindset I have now, nothing's going to change even if I do, which I've learned from the high school reunion and a few parties I've been to since all this started. I'd like to remain hopeful and I still probably got a long life ahead of me, so I imagine things will work out at some point. It just doesn't seem feasible to me in the near future.

Yeah, at some point we have to invest time and effort and vulnerability into trying to connect with others, which can take some time to pay off but is, as far as I understand social interactions, the way it works 99% of the time.

It stands out to me that it takes you so long to want to hang out with a person, and I wonder whether it's as simple as finding people boring or whether it has more to do with the suspicion you mentioned. After all, we've got to trust people to open ourselves up to them, and sometimes people run afoul of that trust and really, really hurt our feelings. That can sometimes lead to us being very closed off from others for a while. Is there a way to open back up? Hmm. Just worth thinking about, I suppose.

After six months of being on anti-depressants and anticyclic medication, I can see I've seen improvement in my emotional state. Its more of a mind over matter and disciplining yourself is key for starting on the right foot. It surely isn't easy, having anxiety, depression and OCD makes it rough but the depression is slowly going away and I'm learning to control my anxiety and OCD. Something I could have never said back in June. Keep up the good fight folks, 35% of the way there and I ain't stopping this gravy train!

I'm glad to hear that you're able to feel some progress, BakedYams! There will be ups and downs, but I hope you can carry this sense of momentum forward with you.

Ugh. Feeling especially shitty today. Whole body feels sore and whatnot and my depression is especially harsh.

Do you have anything you try to do to smooth things out on days like that?

My mom is dead and this is the first Christmas without her.

Fuck everything right now. I cry everyday since she left us.

Fuck Cancer.


All my mental issues + this = I might be dead in 2016

I'm sorry for your loss, SM. I cannot understand the pain you've gone through.
As I mentioned to Faltimar above, I hope you can just try to take it one step, one day, one hour at a time. We're not to 2016 yet, and there are many days and hours in 2016 that we've yet to encounter. There is a road up, a road to a better place, but it's a road that must be taken one step at a time.

Sorry to get to it so late, but I think it has to do with ego. For example, playing the story of "me" of the mind, I compare that image with the concepts made of others, and in that game of comparison there is a feeling of lack. Of course, it is not simply a lack of whatever my mind is comparing, but a true lack of being present, engaged and with the goings on, moment by moment.

That's the sense of being alone, I guess. Caught in the mind and pettiness which creates the isolation, and not genuinely here in presence which feeds it.

All of this reminds me of a quote from Jiddu Krishnamurti, who was legit as shit on the nature of mind and its problems.

"Throughout life, from childhood, from school until we die, we are taught to compare ourselves with another; yet when I compare myself with another I am destroying myself. In a school, in an ordinary school where there are a lot of boys, when one boy is compared with another who is very clever, who is the head of the class, what is actually taking place? You are destroying the boy. That’s what we are doing throughout life. Now, can I live without comparison—without comparison with anybody? This means there is no high, no low—there is not the one who is superior and the other who is inferior. You are actually what you are and to understand what you are, this process of comparison must come to an end. If I am always comparing myself with some saint or some teacher, some businessman, writer, poet, and all the rest, what has happened to me—what have I done? I only compare in order to gain, in order to achieve, in order to become—but when I don’t compare I am beginning to understand what I am. Beginning to understand what I am is far more fascinating, far more interesting; it goes beyond all this stupid comparison."

That's a really, really interesting quote, Foffy, and everything you're saying hews very closely to the principals of mindfulness, which in turn draws heavily from vipassna meditation (also just called mindfulness meditation). Have you heard of a book called Mindfulness in Plain English? Maybe you're already way beyond the exploratory stage (sorry if I've missed any explanation!) but it's a great primer on, well, Mindfulness!

That being said, while I found being mindful of my loneliness greatly reduced my suffering, it didn't on its own get rid of loneliness. Ultimately I do have to work at creating a sense of connection and support around me that I can carry in my lonelier states. Both approaches have been helpful to me.

So I completely fucked up one of the most important and possibly valuable things I have ever attempted during my recovery. It's been a week as of today and it's killing me.

I have wanted a dog of my own ( not shared with or also trained by family) for ages but it's always been a financial or practical impossibility. This year as of about February I'd started talking with my psychiatrist about raising and training a psychiatric service dog ( there are no charity funded programs in my province that offer psychiatric dogs for veterans and first respondents.) We agreed in February that it was too soon and I was in no place financially to care for a a dog nevermind be raising an eight week old puppy.

Months pass, I have a crisis in April but slowly recover and determine that yes I would like to continue living. Things still aren't right for a dog to be joining my life but I spend spare time doing research, looking up local laws, joining service dog handler groups, asking questions and formulating a plan for how I will handle basic training, task training socialization etc when the time is finally right.

I get granted disability status in October, and start attending an 11 week dialectical behavior group I'd been referred by the psychiatrist. Things aren't great but they are better then they've been in a long time and while my physical health starts to get dicey in certain areas things are slowly starting to come together.

Early November my psychiatrist agrees to prescribe me a service dog. We talk about the challenges I'll face as an owner trainer even with the help of professional service dog trainers once the future pup is old enough to begin task training and public access training. I acknowledge that as a team we may wash out long before the pup ever graduated from service dog in training to an official service dog. Still I have wanted this forever and I have done so much work and i have accomplished so damn much in less than a year. I am still broken in a lot of ways but I can do this !

December 12th I bring home the world's sweetest standard poodle puppy from a wonderful breeder I annoyed half to death with my many questions on their breeding program, the assistance and service animals they'd already placed and had in training as well as various little things about the best health practices for x,y,z that I was somewhat sure of the answer of due to research but that I wanted their opinion on just in case.

My boy ( one of two pups I'd had held in reserve while I waited for the results of professional temperament testing to see which one starting out had the best chance to succeed as a service animal) was with me from early saturday afternoon to the following wednesday afternoon. in the space of a few days my physical and mental health tanked, i hallucinated, my mood swings were at dangerous levels as if i wasn't even medicated and I was quite ready to put myself in the hospital. The worst part was the pup was a god damn sweetie. He didn't bite or growl at people. He took to training with a clicker like he was a genius and aside from a bladder infection making him hard to house train he was everything the breeder and temperament assessor promised him to be.

He would have been perfect. Even if we had washed as a service team he would have been a wonderful pet and I sent him back because I wanted to die after several days of what turned out to be more responsibility and disrupted schedule than I could handle. Yes the day I called his breeder to ask for them come to pick him up I got more bad physical heath news and yes i as of that day have 2 new medications to get used to 9 with a third recommended non prescription one) and potential surgery on the horizon but god dammit I promised that pup he'd be with me forever no matter what and I lied.

I lied and I felt relief in those first few days he was gone and I could find balance again but now, now there's just emptiness and guilt. We could have made it. I could have held on, even maybe if I had to burn or cut the hell out of myself and spend a few nights in the hospital I could have waited out my brains fit and we'd be together now. I wanted him so badly and I had the rest of our lives planned and now it's over because I wasn't strong enough to tough out even a week of something I was so sure I was prepared for. I have been stomped on by calves, bit, pissed, clawed, pecked at, sprayed on and been made to bleed by various pets and farm animals in the past.

I was sure I could raise a puppy, so sure I had myself, the breeder and even the dog behaviorist certain I could make a great owner and potential service dog handler. I was wrong and what hurts most of all is that even though i know truly know it was best for mine and the pups health all i want is my little fluffy boy back. I want to tell him I really meant forever and feed him cookies and let him run about the yard proudly carrying a pinecone.

More than that I want what forever means, I want winter romps in the snow, fur soaked with spring slush and carrying teething items in my pockets for several months. I want puppy classes graduating into general obedience classes and hell maybe even competitive obedience or Rally-o where inevitably I screw up an otherwise qualifying run by giving the wrong signal or doing things in the wrong order. It would be okay though, a learning experience and we'd still have each other even if we never won a ribbon in anything.

Same as how even if i never got my running down to a competitive or proud to brag about on facebook level our outings together would always mean something because we'd be out there together. we were going to be partners in everything.

I wanted years of laying on the couch or bed together with me brushing out his long coat and grumbling about why couldn't I keep him in a nice short pet clip but no I wanted a proper looking fluffy poodle and line brushing takes forever but it's worth it.

Twelve to fifteen years down the line I wanted to be there with my old guy as he took his shorter walks, jumped a bit less high for the frisbee, maybe struggled to see or hear and eventually let me know that he was ready to take a journey I couldn't follow him on


Everyone tells me I made the right choice but it hurts so much, it stopped for a while but not it's even worse than the day i let him go.

Shinypogs,
I am sorry you've had a turbulent few days, and the sense of loss from a separation, especially from something that obviously held so much excitement and promise for you sounds quite tough.

I've thought about it for a bit now, and I don't think you did anything wrong. I mean, quite evidently, from how you describe it, you made the best decisions you could have at several difficult points. Of course it's tempting to rethink those decisions with 20/20 hindsight, but that is not a luxury we have in the present moment and it does not sound as though you made any unreasonable or indefensible decisions in the midst of some real difficulty.

Is there a possibility of applying for another dog down the line? Perhaps it's best to way for things to smooth over in the short term, and let the experience settle and learn from it a bit first. There are many, many loving, adorable dogs out there that would be honored to have you as an owner.

<3

Merry Christmas to those that celebrate it, and Happy Holidays of all stripes for everyone!
 
That's a really, really interesting quote, Foffy, and everything you're saying hews very closely to the principals of mindfulness, which in turn draws heavily from vipassna meditation (also just called mindfulness meditation). Have you heard of a book called Mindfulness in Plain English? Maybe you're already way beyond the exploratory stage (sorry if I've missed any explanation!) but it's a great primer on, well, Mindfulness!

That being said, while I found being mindful of my loneliness greatly reduced my suffering, it didn't on its own get rid of loneliness. Ultimately I do have to work at creating a sense of connection and support around me that I can carry in my lonelier states. Both approaches have been helpful to me.

I am familiar with aspects of Vipassana meditation, and I am actually greatly interested in experiential philosophies of nondualism; currently invested in the domain of Advaita Vedanta, and one of the schools of self-inquiry ran by the late Swami Dayananda Saraswati, who had a tremendous humor on this topic. I would do Zen, but that's almost two hours from my home. Dayananda's ashram is twenty minutes.

I guess the state I am in is trying to peel the buildup of ego over my life. I know the self is a fraud, yet I can state this, and meditate this, yet when I'm around others I feel as if dualism is there, and I'm a standalone ego with free will. I suppose the sorrow comes in when I buy into that state, for dualism itself infers division. Then there's the whole social problem of inferring people are real egos and all of the evocations we put on them. I find it hard to navigate this with reason and understanding.

I think that's the situation: I get not-self, but feel as if I have to put on a self, feeding all of the illusions that makes. I can sit here and tell you why the self is bunk, but if you drag me out in a public square, I feel as if it's there.

As for the book, not really. I am actually more familiar in the models that call out the ego and its dualism, like Alan Watts' or Jiddu Krishnamurti's work. Less on meditation and more on demonstration that allows inquiry.
 
I was begining to be fine by eating more healthy food, sleeping enough.
My mood swing almost stoped until a family recently moved above my appartement...

I always hesitate to go see a doctor again to ask for real medication but I don't think I will be able to handle another month. I'm getting scarred now just before going to bed because I'm afraid to be waking up.

Yes, I already talked to my neighboor but for them it's normal to have a noisy kid because he is a kid... Then what I am ? Someone who gonna fall into depression because I can't be at peace in my own "house" ?

I could move out of my appartement if I had a job but I was trying to get healthy again either mentaly or physically. It's like hell I could go get a job and then just end up crying easey just because of little stress...

My roomate don't give a damn, only my family do but they're far so I feel alone and angry. I will try today to see if I could buy some med at the store... Yes, that's show how weak I'm irl, when something ain't going too well, I rely on med. I just don't take serious med yet from a doctor.
 
Sorry I took so long to respond. Didn't see this.

Anyway, I mostly just find people boring, which I imagine is a factor in warming up to them. It takes a lot for me to actually think "yeah, I want to hang out with this person", even if I've been exposed to them long enough to make an accurate judgement. Though I probably have developed some suspicion towards them as well after all this crap.

I also feel it's a bit tough to make friends in your late 20s. I'm the only person younger than 60 at my job and that's generally the most outside human contact I get.

I guess at some point I'll have to force myself to put myself out there, but with the mindset I have now, nothing's going to change even if I do, which I've learned from the high school reunion and a few parties I've been to since all this started. I'd like to remain hopeful and I still probably got a long life ahead of me, so I imagine things will work out at some point. It just doesn't seem feasible to me in the near future.

I'm starting to find that friends don't come to you. It takes work and putting yourself into situations that may be uncomfortable, especially if you're more on the antisocial side of things (like I am). If I'm close to someone, I can talk quite quickly and with enthusiasm but I strongly dislike small talk with strangers and putting me into a room with a bunch of people I don't know is a very quick way to get me hiding out in the shadows, feeling awkward and alone.

I'm 35 and can tell you that making friends doesn't get easier into your 30s, with school connections long behind you. A good chunk of mine are actually in their 20s, simply because they're frequently unmarried/have no children and that gives them more time to maintain the friendship. That said, I am very fortunate that the busier ones closer to my age have prioritized having me in their life.
 
I am depressed beyond belief.

I spend every single day trying to push through but things have only gotten worse.

I am in the worst case scenario right now and I can't handle this.
 
Do you have anything you try to do to smooth things out on days like that?

Most days I work the majority of the day, which was the case yesterday. When I'm working all day, there's not a whole lot I can do to smooth things out. Usually I try to interact with others as much as possible since that usually helps my mood more than anything else.
 
I'm really annoyed at myself. I'm here and we are five people including my girlfriend, and I told her before we came here that I will have anxiety (I suffer from social anxiety disorder) and not be good at talking with the others. And then while we all sit here, she say out loud that I should socialize more with the guy my age. Yet I'm not good at it, and I'm trying my best but I'm super uncomfortable. She knows why I'm not saying much, yet she ask me something I can't do in front of them all. I kind of feel like a failure again compared to others, like I just don't belong. :(
 
I am depressed beyond belief.

I spend every single day trying to push through but things have only gotten worse.

I am in the worst case scenario right now and I can't handle this.

You could be at the bottom of a "grieving crash". It's going to be suffocating at first but give yourself some time to ride this out and get it out of your system. It's cathartic.
 
If the memories are that bad, I would think having a break from much of anything around Christmas for a few years would prepare someone for positive ones eventually.
 
That situation with your brother sounds really tough, DKQ, and I'm not sure that I could really formulate any advice, not knowing you nor him nor the situation as well as you do. When it comes to difficult people, though, sometimes it's best to just work towards being calm with them - not giving them any reasons to get argumentative. And when they do, anyways, don't reinforce it. Hopefully time, for him, will bring more perspective, especially if he is shown over and over again how unreasonable he is being (especially towards your parents) without being given the ammunition to get defensive.

It sounds like you're making wonderful progress in other areas, though. I think ceasing weed smoking is probably a good step because yeah, it definitely clears up the mind a bit and gives one less way to avoid problems. Hopefully that clarity will spread to your thoughts on schooling and career, which are a matter most of us are working on figuring out our entire lives. I encourage you to keep thinking and exploring and feeling out what it is you might want to do.

In the mean time, has your girlfriend been supportive with your family and school situations?
It's sometimes just really hard to not say something to him when is like that torwards the people that mean the world to me. Even today, on Christmas Eve, he was unable to behave. He talked how he currently has 3 girls and how they all would come over instantly If he'd would ask them to. I kind of get when he wants to look big in front of my friends, but not when the only people in the room are his close family. It's a sad thing to say, but Christmas last year was a lot more pleasant without him...

I originally planned to stop smoking weed for a couple of weeks, but the more time passed, the more I lost interest in smoking again. I don't miss it one bit. I'm currently also in a phase where alcohol doesn't taste good anymore. I don't know what triggered it, but as of right now, I don't even want to drink a single beer.

I'm afraid that my friends will be even more pissed off when I tell them that I don't want to drink any alcohol, as some of them already have a big problem with me not smoking weed anymore.

I have not yet talked with my girlfriend about school, but she has an older brother who, believe it or not, was once kidnapped by people he owed money to and caused a lot of other problems in his lifetime. So she can definitely relate to the situation and is supportive with the brother situation.
 
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