[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #2) - One Thumb Up

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WadiumArcadium said:
The Kylo spin is my new favourite move. I like how he almost takes Finn's head off beforehand.

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That whole fight was really fun to watch. I liked that both Finn and Rey had their shots at Kylo.
 
Tiktaalik said:
The Han death scene felt very odd, because there's no real explanation for why Kylo Ren hates Han so much that he'd kill him. There's a huge difference between being estranged from your family and wanting to murder them. Hand waving "dark side" is not enough for me. Did I get distracted for a moment and miss some huge plot point here...?
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The explanation was in the dialogue. Kylo Ren feels torn between the dark side and the light, which is causing a lot of emotional trouble. So he makes the decision (which he asks han to help him make) to get rid of the last bit of light.
 
Ishida said:
Obi Wan certainly does. He thinks he is a good person, but you can be arrogant and childish while still being a good person.

It is not until Episode III when Anakin turns downright evil.
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But Obi-Wan thinks of Anakin as his best friend!

Ferrio said:
The explanation was in the dialogue. Kylo Ren feels torn between the dark side and the light, which is causing a lot of emotional trouble. So he makes the decision (which he asks han to help him make) to get rid of the last bit of light.
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Or at least try to!
 
Ishida said:
Wrong. He was sold as an arrogant, reckless dumbass who kept wanting more and more power.



Yes, I have. And it was written into his character for Anakin.
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lol oh my god, I'm arguing with someone who is actually defending the characterization in the prequels... I can't. I just fucking can't.
 
LookAtMeGo said:
I took that as BB8 flipping the bird.
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I noticed that there seems to be a 50/50 split on what BB8 was doing there - some think he was trying to replicate the thumbs up and others think he was just flipping the bird cuz fuck your stupid human gesture.

I'm guessing it was meant to be fairly ambiguous, but at first I was in the "thumbs-up"camp.
 
jrh2 said:
The fight between Kylo and Rey was better than the Luke/Vader fight in ESB.
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Given the time I would say ESB is better. You don't exactly expect pro martial arts from a western made movie back then, especially with swords. Nowadays if you have two magically people duking it out with swords you at least want to see why they're so feared or revered on the battle field. What was shown wasn't powerful, but swinging mindlessly in the forest. Kylo has battle experience so... did his power cap out somewhere?

WTB The Old Republic cinematic type fights please.
 
Ferrio said:
The explanation was in the dialogue. Kylo Ren feels torn between the dark side and the light, which is causing a lot of emotional trouble. So he makes the decision (which he asks han to help him make) to get rid of the last bit of light.
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Ok I'll have to pay closer attention to this particular scene, and the Kylo/Snoke scene before when I rewatch the film. The acting and dialogue didn't get this across to me and I was not understanding what motivations were driving Kylo at all.
 
Huh. I remember people hating the prequels almost immediately after they were released. Maybe we hang out with different crowds. I was 15, at the height of my Star Wars hype and saw episode 1 on opening day and even I knew it was shit when I walked out of the theater.
 
Gonzalez said:
It is stupid, though. Why would he leave himself so wide open?
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Finn's trying to defend himself more than anything at that stage. He nearly gets his head taken off before Kylo goes for the attack. The spin gives Kylo momentum for a more powerful strike against an opponent who's on the defensive.

Plus it looks cool without being completely stupid.
 
Watch Da Birdie said:
Just saw it. Don't have much love for Star Wars---as a kid I loved the toys, especially the monsters and such, and saw the Phantom Menace and Clone Wars in theaters but even when I was young I thought they were pretty dull and non-too interesting. Basically haven't touched any EU stuff beyond watching a bit of the CG Clone Wars show which was pretty fun honestly. Kind of interested in checking out some EU stuff though that seems like a confusing and time-hogging endeavor.

I thought Finn was a fun character, but what was up with his character being like that? It felt really odd how suddenly he switched sides, and how much personality he had considering he was basically a child soldier. Then there's the weirdness of him being shaken up at seeing a fellow Trooper killed in the first battle, yet then he's blasting them to pieces without any problem. Him being a former Storm Trooper honestly didn't matter much till the end really, or so it felt that way. The scene where the other Storm Trooper calls him a traitor and then gets all personal with that battering ram weapon felt really off because everywhere else it didn't feel like there was any consequences for his actions, like everyone in the Resistance trusts him immediately when it feels like there should've been at least one person who questioned his loyalty.

This movie really had that "Marvel" vibe at parts---you know what I mean by that, right? How there's sort of an undercurrent of subversive humor throughout the movie that sometimes makes it hard to guess what tone a scene is going for? Perfect example of this in my opinion was when Rey first manifested her mind control powers and used it on the Trooper---that scene felt like it was trying to be funny even though it was a major event. Plus, honestly, it really bugged me how easy that power came to her---Rey throughout the film had gotten through with her tech knowhow and such, and it seems getting out of that chair would involve putting that to good use, just giving her such a great power felt tonally odd. There's lots of other moments where I thought the film wanted me to laugh, even though it was a serious scene. I haven't watched the originals in years, and I know they juxtaposed drama and comedy as well, but it felt a bit obnoxious here and definitely inspired by what Marvel tends to do in all their movies.

The effects were pretty cool overall, and I liked a lot of the background alien designs, but it's odd they went with CG for Snoke and the Bar Owner, the two most important alien characters, and it really stood out in a bad way I thought. Both of them kind of felt like they were from another movie, Snoke like a dude from Marvel as people have mentioned and the Bar Owner gave me an Avatar vibe.
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Yeah had similar thoughts after my first viewing. There's quite a number of problems, thankfully the actors were good for the most part so it was still enjoyable. Despite the issues characters like finn, bb-8 and poe dameron seemed real cool. Rey was alright
 
It is not until Episode III when Anakin turns downright evil.
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"I killed them. I killed them all. They're dead, every single one of them. And not just the men, but the women and the children, too. They're like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals. I hate them!"

then again, following that he DID take time out of his mission to get general grievous to attempt to assist one clone trooper, so what do I know
 
minimumhippo said:
Huh. I remember people hating the prequels almost immediately after they were released. Maybe we hang out with different crowds. I was 15, at the height of my Star Wars hype and saw episode 1 on opening day and even I knew it was shit when I walked out of the theater.
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They were. In general anyway. Some people liked them just like they like them now which is fine.

The narrative that they were loved and well received is false.
 
Watch Da Birdie said:
This movie really had that "Marvel" vibe at parts---you know what I mean by that, right? How there's sort of an undercurrent of subversive humor throughout the movie that sometimes makes it hard to guess what tone a scene is going for? Perfect example of this in my opinion was when Rey first manifested her mind control powers and used it on the Trooper---that scene felt like it was trying to be funny even though it was a major event. Plus, honestly, it really bugged me how easy that power came to her---Rey throughout the film had gotten through with her tech knowhow and such, and it seems getting out of that chair would involve putting that to good use, just giving her such a great power felt tonally odd. There's lots of other moments where I thought the film wanted me to laugh, even though it was a serious scene. I haven't watched the originals in years, and I know they juxtaposed drama and comedy as well, but it felt a bit obnoxious here and definitely inspired by what Marvel tends to do in all their movies.
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Yeah I know what you mean; the snark undercuts the drama. Like Poe's "who talks first, me or you?" just seconds after his mentor was murdered in front of his eyes. Or Finn's "why are you doing this? *imitates Han's facial gesturing*" when Han sees Rei. The audience eats it up because the movie is openly acknowledging cinematic cliches, but it just feels a little too "cute" to me. Either play it straight, or don't put the cliche in your film at all.
 
Ishida said:
Obi Wan certainly does. He thinks he is a good person, but you can be arrogant and childish while still being a good person.

It is not until Episode III when Anakin turns downright evil.
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....remember when he murders a village of indigenous locals, including children? And remember when upon admitting this, Padme doesn't fucking run the other way?
 
Rey - Kylo - Finn love triangle would have been a pretty interesting direction for this series to take but Kylo's one dimensional murdering of Han kinda ruins that possibility.
 
Tiktaalik said:
Ok I'll have to pay closer attention to this particular scene, and the Kylo/Snoke scene before when I rewatch the film. The acting and dialogue didn't get this across to me and I was not understanding what motivations were driving Kylo at all.
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It's not been fully explained yet honestly.
 
Shaanyboi said:
Making condescending "boo hoo" comments and telling people to "piss off" generally isn't looked well upon. May wanna calm down there.
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To be fair you're only contribution to both of your discussion was "Hurr PT suck lol" instead of actually engaging.
But hey its easier to deflect and attack.
 
Shaanyboi said:
....remember when he murders a village of indigenous locals, including children?
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Yes. My point still stands. What he did was evil. He was overcome with rage and grief. It is only during Episode III that he turns completely evil while being in control of his actions for the sake of a selfish desire.
 
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