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[Ophelion]

Two viewings in, I really can't put it any better than this: I think she's Luke's daughter, all the pieces are there for her to be Luke's daughter via any number of explanations. If she isn't Luke's daughter I will be truly surprised. So I won't be disappointed if she is, but it's legitimately exciting to consider the possibility that she's not.

If all of the hints thus far are in service of a red herring, then I bit down on that herring hard and am being reeled in.

This trailer will, frankly, be an enormous misdirect if no new characters are revealed to be related to Luke Skywalker.

Then again, if the eventuality comes to pass that Luke adopts a wholly unrelated Rey as his daughter... the repurposing of those lines from Jedi will actually be even more powerful.

...I got goosebumps while typing that, lol

The idea of family being a larger concept than blood ties is a solid one for me. Honestly, I like the idea of Luke coming to love her as a daughter over the course of her training. Think of it from Luke's perspective: he loses what he sees as the next generation of his bloodline and his legacy in the force to the dark side. He's broken and alone on this planet, searching desperately for something that might not even exist.

And then in walks this girl who won't take no for an answer, who is brilliant and optimistic and just...she's him when he was a young man. Slowly, she takes up a place in the old man's heart he thought would sit empty forevermore. She learns the ways of the Force from him and exceeds him, defeats his greatest failure, returns justice to the galaxy.

Yeah, blood or no, that would make you a proud father indeed. At that point, you earn the name Skywalker.

Like, it would be like how you can be a noble or you can be noble. Kylo being the first and Rey being the second.

 

[bananafactory]

Sorry, meant Writing

I edited my post in the other thread

Here's the confirmation

http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...nchise-writer-directorter-20140620-story.html


"Looper" writer-director Rian Johnson will write and direct "Star Wars: Episode VIII" and pen a treatment for Episode IX, a spokesperson for Johnson confirmed to The Times.

 

[Squire]

Sorry, meant Writing

Johnson is writing a treatment for IX, so his influence should be felt in the major plot points.

Actual script will be by someone else.

 

[Nostremitus]

thats the only justification i suppose. but vader took his off when he went good, no? kylo should of been like "well.. i killed off my last connection to the light side, helmet up like grandaddy"

but in my head, i'm thinking... it's cold as fuck, you're about to fight. take your helmet.

whatever, it's just a helmet. good movie.

I'm pretty sure Vader's had a HUD and expanded his vision. I got the impression Kylo's was a homemade cosplay piece probably held together by duct tape.

 

[Boke1879]

Sorry, meant Writing

I think rurmors are Rian is writing 9

 

[Skellig Gra]

Sorry, meant Writing

Ah, I think its a combo of the two writing it actually.

 

[JimJamJones]

Whoa awesome! SoFlaSWGAF represent hahah

Their IMAX theater is such a sweet setup. I was soooo happy when I learned they were showing TFA in non-3D. <3

Yeah! As soon as I heard it was going to be non-3D, I booked my tickets. It was packed to the brim, and we were smashed into the lower left part of the theater, but it was totally worth it!

 

[WonkyPanda]

I edited my post in the other thread

Here's the confirmation

http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...nchise-writer-directorter-20140620-story.html


"Looper" writer-director Rian Johnson will write and direct "Star Wars: Episode VIII" and pen a treatment for Episode IX, a spokesperson for Johnson confirmed to The Times.

Thanks!

Wonder how involved he is with the language "pen a treatment"

 

[OnPoint]

RE: Kylo not taking the helmet.

Perhaps he felt like he didn't need it anymore? He took "the next step" by offing his father, maybe he felt like he didn't need to lean on the Vader-style image afterward.

 

[ReAxion]

I have a bad feeling I'm going to be fighting the Rey is a Skywalker speculation for a long time just because it's interesting and then VIII proves me wrong in like the first five minutes.

Well they certainly laid it out for that speculation to be rampant, so I'm not going to fight it, it'll just be a letdown for me, if it ends up being the case.

 

[MMarston]

Johnson is writing a treatment for IX, so his influence should be felt in the major plot points.

Actual script will be by someone else.

I wonder if they'll try to get Arndt back

 

[Theodoricos]

Could for work for a disembodied voice cameo like Ewan


Luke: "She reminds me a lot of myself."

Obi-wan: "Like all of us in fact."

Anakin: "But she hopefully won't make the same mistakes."

Ah, I hadn't thought of that. Yes, a disembodied voice would work better, I think.

 

[rekameohs]

Thanks!

Wonder how involved he is with the language "pen a treatment"

It likely means he'll write an outline, not an actual screenplay

 

[Ushojax]

The force ghost of Anakin flowing back and forth between the light and dark side is so fucking awesome. I really hope they use that in episode VIII.

It would also mean they could recast without it being too distracting.

 

[excelsiorlef]

This was easily as good as Jedi. Love the new core 3 (or at least what I hope is the new core 3)

Not sure how I feel about dropping Han but my guess is Ford finally got his way and may have only agreed to do it if they killed him off. Effective moment though.

 

[shortsFortallPeople]

I prefer my villains with better motivations than teenage obsession. Episode 8 will have to do a lot to redeem Episode 7, which wasn't necessary with a little more storytelling.

i was just making a point that having him buy into a myth is better than THE GHOST OF MY GRANDFATHER CAME TO ME AND HAD A TALK.

People aspiring to do things to become the mythical entity they worship is a better path for Kylo than being visited by a shitty ghost

 

[Cheebo]

That and Hayden Christensen being the Force Ghost of Anakin doesn't make sense and I hate the fact that Lucas changed that in the 2004 remaster of ROTJ. Whoever plays him in the sequel trilogy should be an older actor around the age of Anakin when he died at the end of ROTJ (since it obviously can't be Sebastian Shaw anymore).

Young Anakin Force Ghost in ROTJ is 100% canon. The old man ghost was tossed out and isn't part of the franchise anymore, We have gotten clarification already that the updated editions of the films are the canonical ones, the theatrical cuts are not.

 

[WonkyPanda]

I wonder if they'll try to get Arndt back

Not sure how i'd feel about that.

 

[Skellig Gra]

Hayden's shortcomings had a lot to do with the script Lucas right and his direction. Hayden was excited at the potential to play a young Darth Vader. Lucas pretty much told him to be whiny. He wouldn't even let him improvise.

Under a new direction I wouldn't mind seeing him but this whole concept with him has to be pulled off flawlessly though.

He's a horrible actor. He was just as bad in the other movies I've seen him in. All he has is looks.

 

[Angry Grimace]

He should have kept the helmet because he looked and acted gormless as fuck every time he did or said anything without the helmet on.

 

[Ushojax]

Young Anakin Force Ghost in ROTJ is 100% canon. The old man ghost was tossed out and isn't part of the franchise anymore, We have gotten clarification already that the updated editions of the films are the canonical ones, the theatrical cuts are not.

That doesn't mean they won't try to get around it. Nobody wants to see Hayden Christensen again.

I'm sure that if Disney is legally allowed, they will change that ghost back eventually. They'll probably take the nooooo out of ROTJ too. Those things were just Lucas trolling and everyone knows that.

 

[VistraNorrez]

That and Hayden Christensen being the Force Ghost of Anakin doesn't make sense and I hate the fact that Lucas changed that in the 2004 remaster of ROTJ. Whoever plays him in the sequel trilogy should be an older actor around the age of Anakin when he died at the end of ROTJ (since it obviously can't be Sebastian Shaw anymore).

It's going to be Hayden if it happens. It is canon now. I'm sure you know Lucas' reasoning, but for those that don't. Ghost Anakin is his younger self because that was when he was last truly Anakin. The talk in the OT of Anakin being consumed by Vader wasn't metaphorical.

Now whether or not that makes sense, plenty have their opinion (and certainly it was not well implemented). The fact would still remain, in the unaltered originals, Anakin was allowed to change his appearance from how he looked when he died. He lost his scars, was given hair, had all his limbs restored, and all new robes. It's not a total jump that he would look he did before he became Vader.

 

[Cheebo]

That doesn't mean they won't try to get around it. Nobody wants to see Haydem Christensen again.

The production design for TFA used Christensen, so if it made the film it would likely have been him. Similar how they brought McGregor in for the very short Obi-Wan ghost moment in TFA.

 

[EdReedFan20]

It's gonna be 37 mil.

Probably another 30-35 tonight.

If you're right, that means after today it'd be sitting at about $355 million or $360 million, all before the holiday week. I think the movie has a good chance at beating Avatar, domestically at least.

 

[MMarston]

That doesn't mean they won't try to get around it. Nobody wants to see Haydem Christensen again.

If the character does come back then I do - but mainly for consistency reasons.

 

[Fj0823]

That doesn't mean they won't try to get around it. Nobody wants to see Haydem Christensen again.

This is not true, they were already thinking to add him in ep 7

And about that "Nobody wants to see him", entire generations of younger fans would disagree.

 

[Boke1879]

That doesn't mean they won't try to get around it. Nobody wants to see Haydem Christensen again.

I'm sure that if Disney is legally allowed, they will change that ghost back eventually. They'll probably take the nooooo out of ROTJ too. Those things were just Lucas trolling and everyone knows that.

This is why I think if they do go this route they'll do it without him somehow. He's a major point of contention.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

Thanks!

Wonder how involved he is with the language "pen a treatment"

maybe it means set up the basic premise?

 

[DiipuSurotu]

If Two-Face Ghost Anakin is not scrapped then the ST isn't about Kylo anymore. It will be about Anakin again because he would have to be brought back from the dark side again. The whole saga, PT/OT/ST, would be about the rise and fall and rise and fall and rise of Anakin Skywalker.

 

[shortsFortallPeople]

It's going to be Hayden if it happens. It is canon now. I'm sure you know Lucas' reasoning, but for those that don't. Ghost Anakin is his younger self because that was when he was last truly Anakin. The talk in the OT of Anakin being consumed by Vader wasn't metaphorical.

Now whether or not that makes sense, plenty have their opinion (and certainly it was not well implemented). The fact would still remain, in the unaltered originals, Anakin was allowed to change his appearance from how he looked when he died. He lost his scars, was given hair, had all his limbs restored, and all new robes. It's not a total jump that he would look he did before he became Vader.

but it sure must've been confusing for Luke to see that young guy with long hair, zero scars, and a doofy ass smirk standing there next to yoda and ben, though.

 

[Cheebo]

Not to mention the early rumors of him being contacted for it, it lines up with the planned scene that was scrapped. They used Christensen for the design of the scene. No doubt it would have been Christensen is the scene made the final production.

 

[Inferno313]

It likely means he'll write an outline, not an actual screenplay

A treatment usually means something more than an outline but not a screenplay. Usually something like a 5-10 page description of the story written in prose. Essentially, a version of the film written as a short story.

 

[TheOfficeMut]

If Carrie was a good actress, it would be awesome if in the next episode Luke takes on the fight against Ren, with Leia wanting to still protect Ren because he's still her son, only for Ren to be killed by Luke and then Leia, out of all people, kills Luke.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

If you're right, that means after today it'd be sitting at about $355 million or $360 million, all before the holiday week. I think the movie has a good chance at beating Avatar, domestically at least.

Movie's gonna beat Avatar domestically. Worldwide record is likely still very safe. But domestic is going down.

 

[Trigonometrize.]

He should have kept the helmet because he looked and acted gormless as fuck every time he did or said anything without the helmet on.

The only time his dialogue felt very different was with the confrontation with Solo where he talked about wanting to be freed from his pain. And even that was mostly tricky words because he was actuslly referring to killing Han to be freed from the allure of the light. My point is I don't think his dialogue was all that different, so the mask was effective storytelling. It, and he, are farces when compared to Darth Vader.

 

[Ushojax]

The production design for TFA used Christensen, so if it made the film it would likely have been him. Similar how they brought McGregor in for the very short Obi-Wan ghost moment in TFA.

Yeah, but it didn't make the film. Of course they are going to use an established actor for their concept art, doesn't mean they would cast him in a movie. I'm sure the stain of the prequels and his performance is making them think very carefully about what they do with Anakin's ghost. He has to appear eventually.

 

[VistraNorrez]

but it sure must've been confusing for Luke to see that young guy with long hair, zero scars, and a doofy ass smirk standing there next to yoda and ben, though.

Possibly, but Luke has the Force. If he couldn't deduce it was his father, he could feel it.

 

[MMarston]

but it sure must've been confusing for Luke to see that young guy with long hair, zero scars, and a doofy ass smirk standing there next to yoda and ben, though.

Sensing the Force = he would totally recognize him anyway

 

[Tuturu Jones]

He should have kept the helmet because he looked and acted gormless as fuck every time he did or said anything without the helmet on.

Isn't that the point? He's hiding how pathetic he feels behind the mask.

 

[Theodoricos]

It's going to be Hayden if it happens. It is canon now. I'm sure you know Lucas' reasoning, but for those that don't. Ghost Anakin is his younger self because that was when he was last truly Anakin. The talk in the OT of Anakin being consumed by Vader wasn't metaphorical.

Now whether or not that makes sense, plenty have their opinion (and certainly it was not well implemented). The fact would still remain, in the unaltered originals, Anakin was allowed to change his appearance from how he looked when he died. He lost his scars, was given hair, had all his limbs restored, and all new robes. It's not a total jump that he would look he did before he became Vader.

Except that totally undermines his redemption moment in ROTJ. The last time he was truly Anakin was right before he died.

I'm perfectly aware of Lucas' agenda to shove the prequels down our throats but man does it still irk me.

 

[Cheebo]

Movie's gonna beat Avatar domestically. Worldwide record is likely still very safe. But domestic is going down.

Won't even be close domestically, Star Wars is going to sail past 800 mil with ease. Good shot at going past 850 mil and sniffing 900 mil.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Yeah, but it didn't make the film. Of course they are going to use an established actor for their concept art, doesn't mean they would cast him in a movie. I'm sure the stain of the prequels and his performance is making them think very carefully about what they do with Anakin's ghost. He has to appear eventually.

If they use an Anakin ghost, they're getting Christensen. They're not gonna recast. They had Ben's voice and got McGregor.

But just because something came up in concept art doesn't mean it's going to get used/reused in a later movie, either.

 

[Boke1879]

It's going to be Hayden if it happens. It is canon now. I'm sure you know Lucas' reasoning, but for those that don't. Ghost Anakin is his younger self because that was when he was last truly Anakin. The talk in the OT of Anakin being consumed by Vader wasn't metaphorical.

Now whether or not that makes sense, plenty have their opinion (and certainly it was not well implemented). The fact would still remain, in the unaltered originals, Anakin was allowed to change his appearance from how he looked when he died. He lost his scars, was given hair, had all his limbs restored, and all new robes. It's not a total jump that he would look he did before he became Vader.

Very good point.

 

[shortsFortallPeople]

Possibly, but Luke has the Force. If he couldn't deduce it was his father, he could feel it.

Sensing the Force = he would totally recognize him anyway

I suppose that does work, then. I'll always prefer the older version though because that makes more sense, that Luke would see that, in the end, his father was restore to light and that was how he appears as a ghost and what not. I guess both work but i prefer the original.

 

[Inferno313]

If they use an Anakin ghost, they're getting Christensen. They're not gonna recast. They had Ben's voice and got McGregor.

Honestly I would totally be up for seeing a Christensen Anakin performance delivered under a director like Rian who can actually direct actors.

 

[Fj0823]

but it sure must've been confusing for Luke to see that young guy with long hair, zero scars, and a doofy ass smirk standing there next to yoda and ben, though.

How is it confusing for him? That's his father before he "died", If someone long gone I love appears in front me as a ghost, the last thing I would give a shit about is why he doesn't look like the completely weak and frail cancer patient I saw die.

 

[Hatchtag]

they brought back ewan mcgregor, they'll bring back hayden christiansen

At the same time, I think his role will just be revealing Rey's a skywalker or something, and then kylo ren beating the shit out of another room when he learns she got to see Vader's ghost.

 

[EdReedFan20]

Movie's gonna beat Avatar domestically. Worldwide record is likely still very safe. But domestic is going down.

I think for it to beat Avatar worldwide, China is the wild card. It's quickly becoming one of the more important markets for big-budget blockbusters. It should be interesting to see if Star Wars connects with people there. I mean, one reason why there might be another Terminator movie is because of how well it apparently did over there.

 

[Boke1879]

Except that totally undermines his redemption moment in ROTJ. The last time he was truly Anakin was right before he died.

I'm perfectly aware of Lucas' agenda to shove the prequels down our throats but man does it still irk me.

But like he said. It's not canon. Even if you use old anakin for ghost as an example. He came back with all his limbs, hair and no scars. He looked completely different.

 

[Cheebo]

Except that totally undermines his redemption moment in ROTJ. The last time he was truly Anakin was right before he died.

I'm perfectly aware of Lucas' agenda to shove the prequels down our throats but man does it still irk me.

Not just Lucas, we have gotten word directly from the Story Group this very year that young Anakin is the official the canonical appearance of ghost Anakin, it is not going anywhere.