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[Astral Dog]

Kylo would probably usurp the throne like Vader planned to.

Or she could fight like the emperor in the original trilogy, only with the force.

Vader could never usurp the throne of the Emperor, he was always a tool, and if we take that once "canon" game he only thought about it because he finally noticed Palpatine was going to replace him.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Same here. It's how we get Kylo to the big bad we want him to be. Kylo realizes Snoke's been selling snake oil all this time and snuffs him in a fit of indignant rage, which causes him to believe he's even more powerful and dangerous than ever before, which actually does make him more dangerous, in the same way a kid who gets high and believes they're invincible needs like 15 cops and 4 taser bolts to finally go down.

He's got justification to distrust Snoke, too - Snoke told him killing his pops would be his final test. So he did it AND IT DIDN'T WORK. That's going to cause some serious resentment.

Yep.

Kylo is basically a right wing stereotype of a 20 something millennial with super powers. That's what makes him so interesting, the more of a little shit he is the better a character he becomes.

Basically I want him to grow in power and experience but always at heart remain the kid who will never be Darth Vader

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Oh man why did I click that quote. Fuck that's lame, is this 100% true then?

The post RIGHT ABOVE yours (mine) explains that no, it's not true at all. The MSW writer who posted that straight up misheard what he thought he heard and wrote a story about it.

 

[Gonzalez]

Warning, I spoiled this posters comments but it wasn't originally that way.

You really are the worst. A person gives a warning, and you extract it's contents for everyone to see.

I hope you aren't serious.

 

[GhaleonEB]

I hope Snoke from TFA gets thrown out like Rick Baker's wife's Emperor, from Empire.

I don't know the reference, but I'm kind of hoping Kylo kills Snoke, in an inversion of Vader killing the Emperor. Not to save someone or redeem himself, but to remove a more powerful threat to himself (as hinted at with Han's line to Kylo on the bridge) and complete his training as head bad guy.

 

[Falk]

Disagree 10000%. The soundtrack was amazing in this film. It felt poignant and personal. I loved Ren and Reys themes and especially loved the final scene score. Very well done piece. Movie has some of JWs most nuanced arrangements.

I think this nails it for me. I can appreciate that people went in perhaps expecting a lot more of Duel of the Fates or Asteroid Field or Ewok Battle or any number of borderline bombastic themes. VII felt a lot more subdued/subtle for lack of a better word, and I honestly think that as a whole the film was better off for it.

The stark realization is that John Williams isn't going to outlast Star Wars. Not by any stretch of imagination. I don't think it's a coincidence that Desplat and/or other composers are tackling the spinoff films. The franchise needs to be futureproofed, and no one alive (literally, think about it) can do what John Williams does.

 

[Atraveller]

Vader could never usurp the throne of the Emperor, he was always a tool, and if we take that once "canon" game he only thought about it because he finally noticed Palpatine was going to replace him.

I know, the Emperor is more powerful than Darth Vader, but that doesn't mean Vader can't dream, he mentioned it once in RotS to Padme, and again to his son when he revealed his identity.

 

[Switch Back 9]

The post RIGHT ABOVE yours (mine) explains that no, it's not true at all. The MSW writer who posted that straight up misheard what he thought he heard and wrote a story about it.

Ahhh, I didn't see that. Awesome

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Yep.

Kylo is basically a right wing stereotype of a 20 something millennial with super powers. That's what makes him so interesting, the more of a little shit he is the better a character he becomes.

Basically I want him to grow in power and experience but always at heart remain the kid who will never be Darth Vader

I love that they somehow took the worst, douchiest type of people and made a compelling character out of it.

Whiny, narcissistic, psychotic, MRA, millennial, loser, insecure, douchenozzle, and then made him incredibly compelling to witness.

 

[XANDER CAGE]

Yep.

Kylo is basically a right wing stereotype of a 20 something millennial with super powers. That's what makes him so interesting, the more of a little shit he is the better a character he becomes.

I've seen a lot of complaints about Kylo but yeah, I really felt engaged with his character. He's a little shit, but his fits of rage and his performative evil-badass persona are oddly relatable. He's got a lot going on inside and it's coming out all wrong. He's the most immediately human villain the series has had, I think.

 

[John Harker]

I'm still in disbelief that Luke straight up dipped because of the Knights of Ren. Luke, the guy who stood up to the emperor. I feel like he lost someone incredibly important if he was so affected as to leave everything behind.

Luke was standing at a gravestone when Rey found him. My monies on this being his wife and Rey's mother.

That kind of tragedy- losing your school, your younglings, padawans, basically the future of the force in the Galaxy, plus your wife, and having 7 angry Emo kids clad in black, on an intergalactic hunt to murder you and your child sent by some ancient evil being.. Yea id erase those memories and hide my kid on a planet no one would look for her, drop off my old worshipper buddy Lars with a key to find me to look after her, and split too.

He's got 7 Knights, potentionally all force sensitive, hunting him, led by the son of his best friend he failed to protect from the dark side who killed his wife, what would you have him do? He's out searching for answers in how to turn them back maybe... Either way, he learned from Yoda so he pulled a Yoda and is in exile waiting to train the next "chosen" who finds him.

Ka is a wheel, after all.

That said, that feels like the "intent" to me- Rian Johnson having reins to take this in a direction he wants, be interesting to see if he goes the clean route or mixes it up a bit in 8. It's all implied but tenuous enough he can get creative with who is who, but to me Star Wars works best when it takes the simplist solution an embudes it with real emotion vs some convoluted plot twists.

 

[injurai]

I hope you aren't serious.

Well I didn't want to click the source, incase it had a legitimate revelation. Then you seemingly conveyed part of its conclusion.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

I've seen a lot of complaints about Kylo but yeah, I really felt engaged with his character. He's a little shit, but his fits of rage and his performative evil-badass persona are oddly relatable. He's got a lot going on inside and it's coming out all wrong. He's the most immediately human villain the series has had, I think.

The insane thing, I actually know people exactly like that. I even turned to my cousin after the movie and said Kylo Ren reminded me exactly of the kind of little shit he was in high school (he's much more mature and stable now, hahaha).

 

[golem]

I'm still in disbelief that Luke straight up dipped because of the Knights of Ren. Luke, the guy who stood up to the emperor. I feel like he lost someone incredibly important if he was so affected as to leave everything behind.

I doubt it was as simple as taking the L and running for the hills. I'd like to think he was somewhat more productive these last 20 years or whatever

 

[excelsiorlef]

I love that they somehow took the worst, douchiest type of people and made a compelling character out of it.

Whiny, narcissistic, psychotic, MRA, millennial, loser, insecure, douchenozzle, and then made him incredibly compelling to witness.

He's flat out a breath of fresh air given the usual fare of villains we get.

It makes him getting beat easier to get over to, sure you beat him but so what the fucking prick is just going to come back and annoy you again. By not tying his entire being into being a badass he can afford to be weaker and still menacing and still a "threat"

 

[Monocle]

Disagree 10000%. The soundtrack was amazing in this film. It felt poignant and personal. I loved Ren and Reys themes and especially loved the final scene score. Very well done piece. Movie has some of JWs most nuanced arrangements.

Yes, that's a good way to put it.

 

[TimorousPanda]

Fuck, Finn is so cool, Rey is so cool, everyone is so cool.

I probably need to see it again to get a levelheaded opinion, but I really loved it on my first viewing.

 

[Crossing Eden]

That was indeed bizarre. The reason for his sudden departure better be damn good.

I wonder if they repurposed part of the Mara Jade plotline.

I think it's more the personal failure, especially when it comes to his nephew. That's got to be a huge blow. And if he never saw it coming it would really shake his faith in himself as a teacher and mentor.

Depending on what happened he pulled a Yoda. ._.

What if Luke left because

a) The Knights of Ren were former students that Kylo turned
b) The Knights of Ren aren't in this movie because Luke basically killed them all (except Kylo, who he couldn't bear to kill due to the relation) when he got back and saw what Kylo had done to his temple.
c) Luke couldn't stand to deal with anyone or anything after essentially being forced by his nephew to pull an Anakin on his own temple, and that's why he mindwiped Rey, left her with the first asshole he could find on Jakku, and beat feet to that island for penance.

Also, that Making Star Wars report Gonzalez is linking has already been debunked. He doesn't say what the writer thought he heard.

Yea there's a lot left open for the other two films. Still odd though, the thought of Luke of all people leaving.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Fuck, Finn is so cool, Rey is so cool, everyone is so cool.

I probably need to see it again to get a levelheaded opinion, but I really loved it on my first viewing.

That was literally me through out it. The new characters were just awesome and the chemistry between them is unreal, I hope Poe becomes the third part of the Sequel Trilogy Trio, those 3 have chemistry more so honestly than the original trio.

 

[TheOctodad]

What if Luke left because

a) The Knights of Ren were former students that Kylo turned
b) The Knights of Ren aren't in this movie because Luke basically killed them all (except Kylo, who he couldn't bear to kill due to the relation) when he got back and saw what Kylo had done to his temple.
c) Luke couldn't stand to deal with anyone or anything after essentially being forced by his nephew to pull an Anakin on his own temple, and that's why he mindwiped Rey, left her with the first asshole he could find on Jakku, and beat feet to that island for penance.

Also, that Making Star Wars report Gonzalez is linking has already been debunked. He doesn't say what the writer thought he heard.

Very similar to my theory.

But....

Left her with the Church of the Force. Left to find out how he failed and what Rey's purpose is.

Then...

Luke will eventually adopt her as a trainee.

She will be told by Snoke at a moment of weakness, "Everyone always abandons you!"

"Luke will call her daughter..."

Luke dies

"She calls him "father"" inverting ESB

She takes the name Skywalker

Kylo accuses her of being a nobody. He is the true Skywalker, it's his destiny, he is destined to win.

 

[injurai]

He's flat out a breath of fresh air given the usual fare of villains we get.

It makes him getting beat easier to get over to, sure you beat him but so what the fucking prick is just going to come back and annoy you again. By not tying his entire being into being a badass he can afford to be weaker and still menacing and still a "threat"

I like this way of putting it. He's someone that's dangerous because of the lengths he will allow himself to go.

 

[Gonzalez]

Well I didn't want to click the source, incase it had a legitimate revelation. Then you seemingly conveyed part of its conclusion.

If it ends up being true, then it was the most obvious outcome ever. I mean we aren't being serious when we say that "Obi-Wan could be Rey's father", right?

 

[XANDER CAGE]

He's flat out a breath of fresh air given the usual fare of villains we get.

It makes him getting beat easier to get over to, sure you beat him but so what the fucking prick is just going to come back and annoy you again. By not tying his entire being into being a badass he can afford to be weaker and still menacing and still a "threat"

That and it also makes me more invested in seeing him redeem himself somehow. I mean, he has a lot of work to do in that regard (if that's even the route they're going to try and take him) but given that even Darth Vader did the right thing at the end of the OT, I'm now hopeful for some kind of turnaround for the guy.

 

[Toa TAK]

Yep.

Kylo is basically a right wing stereotype of a 20 something millennial with super powers. That's what makes him so interesting, the more of a little shit he is the better a character he becomes.

Basically I want him to grow in power and experience but always at heart remain the kid who will never be Darth Vader

 

[John Harker]

I liked Poe a good amount In this movie, but I don't see how he survives all 3 films. His character just doesn't have the investment the others do, and he was a bit too bullet proof in this movie. He pretty much just moved the plot forward, and the next film has a ton to pick up with even more characters to add to the mix - what role could he possibly have?

Unless they do the brave thing and expand on his feelings for Finn and make that a thing, I can see him going out in a blaze of glory and Maz and her band is space pirates filling in the Han role instead. She has more to the story we need to know than Poe himself does.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Fuck, Finn is so cool, Rey is so cool, everyone is so cool.

I probably need to see it again to get a levelheaded opinion, but I really loved it on my first viewing.

One of my worries going in was the new cast would be over shadowed by the old. Instead we got a remarkably strong core cast with Rey, Kylo, Finn and Poe. For all the retreads in the film, they really nailed the new characters and the casting of them. Genuinely excited to see these characters again. In particular, the Rey/Finn/Poe love triangle.

 

[Hawkian]

Say, why wasn't Leia using the Force? Any chance she'll show off some cool Force powers of her own down the line?

The way I see it, basically, while she's probably INCREDIBLY force sensitive Leia is neither a natural like Luke and Rey nor someone who would take any time to train in developing its use. She knows the force is real, she can sense it in others and she could probably resist Kylo's mind-probing well, but she's not going to count on using the Force to get results in her life.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

That and it also makes me more invested in seeing him redeem himself somehow. I mean, he has a lot of work to do in that regard (if that's even the route they're going to try and take him) but given that even Darth Vader did the right thing at the end of the OT, I'm now hopeful for some kind of turnaround for the guy.

It's mentioned in the other thread, but it'd be so rad if Episode IX ended with Ben Solo and Rey teaming up to take Snoke on ala

Spoiler

Will/Hannibal vs the Red Dragon

in Hannibal

 

[Bobby Roberts]

She takes the name Skywalker

Kylo accuses her of being a nobody. He is the true Skywalker, it's his destiny, he is destined to win.

Yeah, I think I've seen you post this before, and I particularly like this aspect of it. Especially the possibility that Luke sacrifices himself at some point to make sure Rey's victory is secured.

I like the idea that this "generational saga" could continue forward with Rey claiming the name of her adoptive father, while the actual bloodline itself dies out.

 

[Einhander]

I couldn't help but draw a parallel to Darth Caedus and Jaina fighting each other to the death when Rey and Kylo were fighting each other. I have to suspect they were influenced by the Legacy of the Force story in the expanded universe books.

 

[injurai]

If it ends up being true, then it was the most obvious outcome ever. I mean we aren't being serious when we say that "Obi-Wan could be Rey's father", right?

Grandfather, and I think it bares some legitimacy amongst other possibilities.

I need to watch it a second time, but I was not picking up on her be a descended of Luke, in fact it seemed to suggest that wouldn't be the case, based on how Leia and Han acted around her.

 

[Sectorseven]

Those other Knights of Ren had to be scrubs if they couldn't even build lightsabers.

 

[Hawkian]

god yes flawless account. a+

 

[Filth]

How bout this.

Darth plageuis escapes death by using the force to take over his apprentices body's. I'm thinking as sidious was going to kill him he took his body over and he's been flipping body's since. He was grooming kylo to take over his body next but since Rey came into the picture he wants to take her over. Episode 8 will end with Rey becoming darth plageuis and killing Luke. With no one left kylo returns home and after seeing everyone saddened by Luke's death he goes forth to fight plageuis/Rey

 

[DeathyBoy]

god yes flawless account. a+

How about TRAITOR?

 

[TheOctodad]

Yeah, I think I've seen you post this before, and I particularly like this aspect of it. Especially the possibility that Luke sacrifices himself at some point to make sure Rey's victory is secured.

I like the idea that this "generational saga" could continue forward with Rey claiming the name of her adoptive father, while the actual bloodline itself dies out.

Personally, I feel like it's a better "message" if you will.

The hero is not just a lineage you are born into, it's who you choose to become.

 

[DeathyBoy]

How bout this.

Darth plageuis escapes death by using the force to take over his apprentices body's. I'm thinking as sidious was going to kill him he took his body over and he's been flipping body's since. He was grooming kylo to take over his body next but since Rey came into the picture he wants to take her over. Episode 8 will end with Rey becoming darth plageuis and killing Luke. With no one left kylo returns home and after seeing everyone saddened by Luke's death he goes forth to fight plageuis/Rey

Oh man, if they pulled this twist...

Just have Rey go on a spirit quest in Episode 8, run into Jar Jar ala Luke running into Darth. She kills him and presto, she becomes Plagueis. Then starts speaking in an exaggerated Jamaican accent.

 

[excelsiorlef]

That and it also makes me more invested in seeing him redeem himself somehow. I mean, he has a lot of work to do in that regard (if that's even the route they're going to try and take him) but given that even Darth Vader did the right thing at the end of the OT, I'm now hopeful for some kind of turnaround for the guy.

Oh see there I disagree, this kid is a little shit, and some of these little shits don't grow out of it.

He killed Han Solo in cold blood on screen, this kid deserves nothing but a cold grave. I mean that;s why I love him, he;s so uncool I want him to die eventually, unlike literally any other Star Wars villain,

 

[Toa TAK]

god yes flawless account. a+

It's just so, strangely, perfect. Especially if you read through the beginning see the weird story weaved in of Hux and Ben's friendship lol.

 

[Squire]

I couldn't help but draw a parallel to Darth Caedus and Jaina fighting each other to the death when Rey and Kylo were fighting each other. I have to suspect they were influenced by the Legacy of the Force story in the expanded universe books.

Kylo is absolutely a riff on Jacen to an extent.

 

[injurai]

Oh see there I disagree, this kid is a little shit, and some of these little shits don't grow out of it.

He killed Han Solo in cold blood on screen, this kid deserves nothing but a cold grave. I mean that;s why I love him, he;s so uncool I want him to die eventually, unlike literally any other Star Wars villain,

Vader killed kids. Redeeming isn't necessarily about forgiving them, but it serves as proof that a person has admitted defeat in their ways. Which I think is always a rewarding conclusion.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Brilliant!

Fuck can Kylo have like an angsty journal maybe not in the film itself but published as official EU.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

he;s so uncool I want him to die eventually, unlike literally any other Star Wars villain,

...Anakin?

Spoiler

Him being reminiscent of Anakin is not a good thing and also why I hate him

 

[zethren]

I like the idea that this "generational saga" could continue forward with Rey claiming the name of her adoptive father, while the actual bloodline itself dies out.

Yeah I actually love this idea. Her original family remains unknown, having abandoned her, but her new family is in Luke and the others, so she takes the name.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Everyone in the movies should keep calling him 'Ben' or 'Solo' instead of 'Kylo Ren' just to piss him off.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Vader killed kids. Redeeming isn't necessarily about forgiven, but proof that a person has admitted defeat in their ways. Which I think is always a rewarding conclusion.

Yeah but they were faceless kids and it took like 30 years for him to redeem himself. Benny boy isn't going to have 30 years.

This is Han Solo, his father and iconic character, killing him needs to be the thing that closed the door in retrospect from him ever coming back.

Hell I want him to want redemption but not get it. Like a fucking child who thinks sorry can get you out of anything only to find out in the real world sometimes sorry doesn't cut it.

 

[injurai]

Yeah I actually love this idea. Her original family remains unknown, having abandoned her, but her new family is in Luke and the others, so she takes the name.

I'd prefer this far over her being blood related to Luke.

 

[Einhander]

Kylo is absolutely a riff on Jacen to an extent.

Rey reminds me of Jaina's character as well.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I'd prefer this far over her being blood related to Luke.

Kenobi theory!

(or Rey Random, which is just as fine, honestly)

 

[excelsiorlef]

...Anakin?

Spoiler

Him being reminiscent of Anakin is not a good thing and also why I hate him

Anakin was a villain for about what an hour before he became Vader?

Doesn't count, Anakin became Vader, the fucking badass of all badasses.