Support NeoGAF

[Chuckie]

*___*

I hate shit like this.

 

[heringer]

I really hope they don't give Rey a staff saber. Shit looks dumb.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Believe

 

[Falk]

Every fandom has gotta have their original character do not steal crowd.

 

[heringer]

Daisy Ridley is so adorable she couldn't go dark side even if she wanted to. It's like turning a puppy into Cujo.

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

*___*

Believe

 

[Gonzalez]

Believe

The real hero we deserve.

Nothing better than a Bret/Austin double turn. Rey should be going up to Luke after a loss in Episode 8 shouting "This is bullshit! This is bullshit, and you know it!"

 

[TheDinoman]

Rey going evil would destroy me. It's like Luke going bad. I wouldn't be able to take it.
Thankfully, that's never going to happen because who are they going to have us root for? Ben Solo? He killed his dad, and not just any dad, he killed Han Solo. He is irredeemable, and beyond the point of no return. Even Vader couldn't kill his family. It would just be like watching two bad guys battle it out. There is no more good.

This reminds me of the whole 'Luke is Kylo' thing. Luke ain't never going to the dark side. Same for Rey. At least I hope so.

Anakin killed children, and yet he got redeemed in the end.

 

[Veelk]

*___*

Believe

Lmao, those are brilliant. Rey looks legit cool, while Ben still looks like a kid who put on his parents clothes. Rey is probably not gonna go dark on us, but I like seeing fan art what if's. They're great.

 

[El Topo]

Dark Side Rey, Light Side Ren? Heck, why not? Give us that WM XIII double turn, Disney.

 

[DeSo]

Believe

what's wrong with your faaaaacccceeee

 

[liquidtmd]

I dunno, a twist in Ep 8 that Reys resentment on being left abandoned turns her dark and Kylo seeing the light as a result of killing Han wouldn't be the most outlandish nor unreasonable twist I've heard of in cinema

On the contrary - Rey being set up the way she is and then turning would be a remarkable, almost Anakin done right plot journey. A believeable, likable protagonist turned evil through loss and manipulation

 

[Real Hero]

The movie did a shit job of setting the scene and establishing the political nuances (if simple), because that's JJs style as per Star Trek 09. The early scene in ANH Vader and Moff are discussing politics with the other generals teaches you more about the Imperials, politics, Emperor, and Jedi mythology than TFA entire.

totally, ANH does better job of setting up the background of all of star wars than this film does of making the 30 year gap since Jedi clear. Hopefully they can expand on the politcal situation a bit more when they have Kylo and Snoke together or something.

 

[JB1981]

Luke creeping in the background haha

 

[ClosingADoor]

They specifically use the term destroy when referring to the Republic fleet which suggests virtually every ship that a galaxy spanning Republic had was in orbit of the planets of a single system which just seems... Weird. Also the Resistance seems to have a single squadron of X wings which is what they used to attack the Starkiller. They didn't even have dedicated bombers like Y or B wings for a bombing mission. Everything about the fighting seemed to be downplayed from a galaxy spanning conflict.

True, it is a small scale movie compared to some of the other ones. I didn't really mind.

And the logic of putting your fleet in one place, we'll just have to accept that. If you start thinking too much about this stuff, you can always find things or wrong or illogical, but it's still fun.

totally, ANH does better job of setting up the background of all of star wars than this film does of making the 30 year gap since Jedi clear. Hopefully they can expand on the politcal situation a bit more when they have Kylo and Snoke together or something.

ANH didn't have any gaps to fill. The background was evil empire versus rebels. That's it. You didn't have to know what came before, because there was nothing.

 

[BlackGhost]

Believe

No sir. My boy will never be turned, and go down as the greatest Star Wars villian. I #believe

 

[half a moon]

35 minutes until my second showing! Hardly anyone is in the parking lot.

Hopefully 3d doesn't suxors

 

[Waldini]

True, it is a small scale movie compared to some of the other ones. I didn't really mind.

And the logic of putting your fleet in one place, we'll just have to accept that. If you start thinking too much about this stuff, you can always find things or wrong or illogical, but it's still fun.

Example; America has an army. The army is stationed in America itself. Would be weird to have an army that would be stationed on the other side of the world.

In TFA, there was no war. Everything was going pretty good untill some planets got demolished. To me, it makes sense that the Republic fleet was stationed at "home". I'm sure there are other ships stationed elsewhere though ... the Republic took a pretty hard hit ...


I can't wait for the Episode 8 rumor mill to start. I expect a teaser in november/december ... and a trailer in january. Rian Johnson has got some big shoes to fill. Think that Episode 8 wont come near the 94% Fresh Rating of TFA though ...

 

[dragonyeuw]

I think JJ and Kasdan were wary of putting any kind of political stuff in the film. Adding a little more on the current situation wouldn't have hurt, but I think they were terrified of scaring people off by including anything more than a short mention of the Republic and their destruction.

Well we could certainly do without all the court sessions and general political discourse, but they definitely needed to clearly establish:

1) How the First order was born out of the ashes of the old empire
2) The role of the Resistance in relation to the old(new) Republic

Those things seemed glossed over to me, but this being a set-up film I imagine we'll learn a lot more in 8 and 9.

 

[dragonyeuw]

*___*

Not where I hope the story goes, but I think that looks cool as hell all the same.

 

[prag16]

Pre-release I was banking on Rey being a Skywalker, but now I'm not sure. I don't think it's needed, to be honest. The same themes and concept of family can be established by Luke simply being childless and instead Rey's mentor. I kinda hope Rey doesn't really have much in the way of a family at all; she was sensed as extremely force sensitive as a child, Luke took her under his wing for training, Kylo got jealous, did the purge, couldn't bring himself to kill her. Luke escapes with Rey, memory wipes and dumps her on Jakku hoping she'll never remember her force abilities and remain safe from Kylo.

I think the film only reinforced it. A lot of the little hints would seem odd in retrospect of she's just a random (I don't need to list them here).

In your scenario, if Rey is a random, why does Kylo spare her and not the rest of the randoms? A family tie explains that.

A lot of it could maybe work in your scenario too, but this is Star Wars. Skywalker saga. My money is still on her being Luke's kid. I doubt they let the Skywalker line end with evil Ben.

 

[Alucard]

No, seriously. In the movie, the sun goes dark at the end. Wouldn't they all die pretty quickly, regardless of the weapon being destroyed? Does the sun have regenerative powers I don't know about?

 

[Gnome]

*___*

If the EU were still a thing, I'd believe it. Only because all things EU seem fucking atrocious.

 

[munchie64]

*___*

 

[Gnome]

No, seriously. In the movie, the sun goes dark at the end. Wouldn't they all die pretty quickly, regardless of the weapon being destroyed? Does the sun have regenerative powers I don't know about?

Tatooine had two suns, maybe this solar system did too? Idk, they sucked up a fucking Sun like a vacuum cleaner, I wouldn't think too hard about the physics being employed in Star Wars.

 

[dragonyeuw]

Rey going evil would destroy me. It's like Luke going bad. I wouldn't be able to take it.

Doubt we'll have to worry about that happening. Rey is being set-up clearly as a light character, it would be the mother of all heel turns if that happened. Ben having internal conflict sets him up to possibly cross over to the light, but I imagine many fans will want him dead after killing Han.

 

[Theodoricos]

If the EU were still a thing, I'd believe it. Only because all things EU seem fucking atrocious.

Not all of it, certainly not Timothy Zahn's stuff. Or the KotOR games.

I definitely hope we won't see Rey fall to the dark side, but I do think that she should still be tempted by it at a certain point like Luke was. That would help offset her vast skillset and would actually make her more fallible of a character too.

 

[Gnome]

Not all of it, certainly not Timothy Zahn's stuff. Or the KotOR games.

Did all those games and stuff count? I always thought it was just the weird ass comics and novels.

 

[VistraNorrez]

The movie did a shit job of setting the scene and establishing the political nuances (if simple), because that's JJs style as per Star Trek 09. The early scene in ANH Vader and Moff are discussing politics with the other generals teaches you more about the Imperials, politics, Emperor, and Jedi mythology than TFA entire.

It's a scene I appreciate more the older I get. Lucas accomplishes so much in so little time.

 

[dragonyeuw]

Can we stop with all these ridiculous theories about Rey's origins? She isn't Luke's daughter, Kenobi's niece, her own grandmother or Yaddle's cousin ffs. The simplest answer is usually the correct one and the answer is that she's a disguised, memory wiped force sensitive member of the reworked Vong sent to stop Snuke, who is also a Vong. Kind of like Nina Galfridian. Nina had a stepson, what was his name? I'll let you look it up and blow your own mind. It's pretty obvious what's going on, man.

And yet there are obvious clues that she is connected to existing characters, such as Leia's body language towards her, and Ren not killing her when in position to do so on a few occasions like he would if she were some random person. She's quite clearly connected to the Solos/Skywalkers in some manner.

 

[Gnome]

And yet there are obvious clues that she is connected to existing characters, such as Leia's body language towards her, and Ren not killing her when in position to do so on a few occasions like he would if she were some random person. She's quite clearly connected to the Solos/Skywalkers in some manner.

Jokes!

---

You know the more I think about TFA, I'm disappointed in it from a plot standpoint and think it's just a decent film. However, I do really like the characters and possibilities set up by the film and have an optimistic outlook going forward.

 

[The Xtortionist]

Well we could certainly do without all the court sessions and general political discourse, but they definitely needed to clearly establish:

1) How the First order was born out of the ashes of the old empire
2) The role of the Resistance in relation to the old(new) Republic

Those things seemed glossed over to me, but this being a set-up film I imagine we'll learn a lot more in 8 and 9.

In his big speech Hux mentions that the Republic is covertly funding the Resistance to fight the First Order, and that this is a primary motivation for the Starkiller attack. I think the implication here is that the Republic is more or less using the Resistance to do their dirty work so they don't have to formally declare war.

 

[Theodoricos]

Did all those games and stuff count? I always thought it was just the weird ass comics and novels.

You mean in the new canon? No, they're no longer canon, especially since Timothy Zahn's books are directly in conflict with The Force Awakens. They're definitely still worth a read, though.

 

[GrandHarrier]

Example; America has an army. The army is stationed in America itself. Would be weird to have an army that would be stationed on the other side of the world.

In TFA, there was no war. Everything was going pretty good untill some planets got demolished. To me, it makes sense that the Republic fleet was stationed at "home". I'm sure there are other ships stationed elsewhere though ... the Republic took a pretty hard hit

No attack on America would destroy it's Navy. It's dispersed around the world. Even the army which you used instead of the Navy which is a better example has bases all over the world so an attack on the US again wouldn't destroy the US army.

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

Daisy Ridley is so adorable she couldn't go dark side even if she wanted to. It's like turning a puppy into Cujo.

But Cujo was once a puppy...

 

[Carbonox]

I actually love Rey's appearance in that fanart. Dumb idea and the staff doesn't look right but dayum, gurl. She can pull off any look.

 

[EatChildren]

It's a scene I appreciate more the older I get. Lucas accomplishes so much in so little time.

It's rich and elegant. In a single scene, through both dialogue, character, and aesthetic, you learn everything you need to set up the entire first film. You learn that it's the Emperor, an off screen character, pulling the strings. That he has eroded the last remnants of the senate and attained total control of the galaxy. The other generals are worried, but this is why the Death Star is being built; a super powered battle station that uses brute force and fear to control everyone. You learn that Vader isn't completely in charge, that he is more of a military man and arm of the Emperor than a politician. That the whole concept of the force and Jedis has been so heavily tarnished in the public mindset that it's viewed as a joke ancient religion by most. And in the same breath you learn that its presence is still well and truly there, and the power a force sensitive person can wield. You also get a better picture of the rebel alliance; established as the only real genuine threat to the Imperials, highlighting Vader's failure to attain the stolen plans. The generals are divisive over how important the stolen plans are, and subsequent discussion sets up the choice to destroy Alderaan.

It's one scene and it paints a perfect portrait of literally everything. It's very, very well written.

 

[VistraNorrez]

Going back to the scene in ANH on the Death Star where Tarkin, Vader and the other Imperials drop some exposition like bosses. I realized Tarkin says the Emperor dissolved the senate. JJ and Kasdan took that very literally in this film and physically dissolved them.

 

[Fehyd]

No attack on America would destroy it's Navy. It's dispersed around the world. Even the army which you used instead of the Navy which is a better example has bases all over the world so an attack on the US again wouldn't destroy the US army.

I believe it's explained in the new books that there was a disarmament treaty between the new republic and the empire remnants. After the Republic had "won" most of the wartime fleet was dispersed back to their member world's (mom cal ships went back to mon cal, etc.) And the Republic kept a small peacekeeping force in the hosnian system where the new senate was established.

The first order basically killed the Senate and the hosnian system guard, and now that the member world's had their ambassadors and senators, civilians, etc killed, they'll probably either be mobilizing their own fleets or joining in on a war declaration against the First Order.

It's also not known if there's some political play by the First Order to pull the rest of the Imperial Remnant into the conflict, but it's implied that The First Order literally only had Starkiller Base, the Finalizer Super Star Destroyer, and wherever the heck Snoke is.

 

[Chuckie]

Was it a bad design or was it bad because you hoped he would look different? More "Muun" like?

I'm pretty sure it was just bad design
But maybe it will look better in VIII

This picture is going to be used so often XD

 

[half a moon]

Here we go boys. These old men better not talk through the film.

Theater is filling up nicely for 9am

 

[Sub_Level]

Example; America has an army. The army is stationed in America itself. Would be weird to have an army that would be stationed on the other side of the world.

America's military is stationed all over the world. Germany, Eastern Europe, Japan, Cuba, Israel, Afghanistan, the United Kingdom!

 

[WadiumArcadium]

It's also not known if there's some political play by the First Order to pull the rest of the Imperial Remnant into the conflict, but it's implied that The First Order literally only had Starkiller Base, the Finalizer Super Star Destroyer, and wherever the heck Snoke is.

I don't think Finalizer's actually a SSD, they mention in the visual directory there's rumours of an even bigger ship which I assume is their SSD. Finalizer is bigger than the Empires Star Destroyers though.

 

[Fehyd]

I don't think Finalizer's actually a SSD, they mention in the visual directory there's rumours of an even bigger ship. Finalizer is bigger than the Empires Star Destroyer's though.

Well, remember, in the EU they had different classes of SSD. Executor class. Eclipse Class. Etc.

I just use SSD to refer to anything larger than a ISD.

 

[Lach]

This picture is going to be used so often XD

4 times a day?

 

[WadiumArcadium]

Well, remember, in the EU they had different classes of SSD. Executor class. Eclipse Class. Etc.

I just use SSD to refer to anything larger than a ISD.

Cool, it's Resurgent class apparently.

4 times a day?

 

[Fehyd]

Cool, it's Resurgent class apparently.

Sweet. It kinda reminds me of an extended ISD with a lot more on top.

 

[Kuros]

Well, remember, in the EU they had different classes of SSD. Executor class. Eclipse Class. Etc.

I just use SSD to refer to anything larger than a ISD.

Finalizer is approx 2x the size of the standard Star Destroyer. But about a 6th the size of an SSD.

SD (Imperial) ~ 1.6km
Finalizer ~ 2.9km
SSD (Executor) ~ 20km

 

[zugzug]

Rey going evil would destroy me. It's like Luke going bad. I wouldn't be able to take it.
Thankfully, that's never going to happen because who are they going to have us root for? Ben Solo? He killed his dad, and not just any dad, he killed Han Solo. He is irredeemable, and beyond the point of no return. Even Vader couldn't kill his family. It would just be like watching two bad guys battle it out. There is no more good.

This reminds me of the whole 'Luke is Kylo' thing. Luke ain't never going to the dark side. Same for Rey. At least I hope so.

Man going into this movie I was so sure Luke had fallen and was Darkside and we'd only see him for last 15mins of movie that this was the big reveal but no. I was so disappointed Luke didn't even have a line of dialogue.

 

[Grover Cleveland]

Kylo running around with a green cross saber would be hilarious.

Like is no one gonna sit this man down and tell him how to build a legit lightsaber?