[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #2) - One Thumb Up
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They don't show any relationship - the joint scenes only show a post-separation couple that still far for each other but can't be with each other.
You're left to fill in the gaps for the good times. Clearly they were in love at the end of ROTJ and have a child. They don't seem to have separated until kylo's training went south which I'd guess was fairly recently? (Does the movie date that any more precisely?)
Ether_Snake
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Maybe Rey's weapon is an old ceremonial light-saber-styled staff. It doesn't have any crystals in it, it's just shaped to look like one. Could be another old relic found on Jakku.
The Librarian
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excelsiorlef
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That's why we have more movies. He isn't the big bad yet, fuck Vader never was. But he's got a shot to grow into it.
I liked the movie. I didn't think it was amazing or anything but I could watch it again and I'm definitely excited for things to come.
My main gripe with it is that everything is pretty much reset back to when A New Hope started. Kind of just makes the OT feel a bit pointless now. Not to mention the gap between Episode 6 and 7 sounds a lot like the prequels... Young powerful Jedi falls to the dark side, kill other Jedi initiates, Jedi Master goes into hiding.
I think they have a good foundation though.
Saber duel was awesome though.
My main gripe with it is that everything is pretty much reset back to when A New Hope started. Kind of just makes the OT feel a bit pointless now. Not to mention the gap between Episode 6 and 7 sounds a lot like the prequels... Young powerful Jedi falls to the dark side, kill other Jedi initiates, Jedi Master goes into hiding.
I think they have a good foundation though.
Saber duel was awesome though.
bengraven
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After having to wait a week to see it due to it being a present from family who insisted they go with, I just got back.
Loved it. Everything was spoiled, but I still loved it.
+ the new characters. Poe was in the movie more than the trailers made out and he's a great character. Very funny, badass, great actor. Finn's cowardice was a bit of a turn off on the character, but finding his strength was great. He's so in love with Rey. Maz! Please let us have more Maz! One of my favorite new characters! Of course BB-8 was as great as the trailers made him out.
+ Rey gets her own plus. Some say she's a bit Mary Sue, but I find her incredibly refreshing. For years we've read/watched characters who were forced to take care of themselves yet lazy writers put them quickly in their gender/race/etc roles after we've come to like them - hell look at Han in Return compared to the first two. Rey is a survivor, nearly asexual in nature, a strong human being who can't understand the sexism of someone who assumed she's weak and needed to be dragged around by the wrist. None of the assholes on Jakku treated her like that, they treated her like one of their own: equally shitty.
Her coming into the force, from the scene in Maz's basement to the final duel felt like the first true Jedi story we've seen since Luke's training in Jedi. Like Anakin who used the force without realizing it, she feels it surging through her (I wonder if her mom was force sensitive as well) and once she realizes what it is and lets it in it basically does a lot of the work on it's own. But she still controls it. She's a great, fantastically strong character - one of the strongest female characters I've seen in years - and I'm glad to know my daughter will grow up in a world with her.
+ battles were fun. When the fog was coming over the lake and you knew the Resistance was showing up, there was a lot of butt wiggling, swiggity swooty in the theater.
+ Han, Chewie, C3 and R2 were all great to see. I did like Leia there, though her ill-fitting false teeth kept her from feeling like the Leia I grew up with. Wish she had more to do than talk to Han, hug Rey, and say a line or two during the planning.
+ Han's death
+ Snoke - can't believe I've heard some shit talk about him. I love the scenes he's in. The deformed human face, the huge size, the tomb like atmosphere of his viewing chamber.
Stuff I hated:
- Some scenes just didn't feel like Star Wars. I think over the years I've gotten used to how a Star Wars film feels and as I suspected from the first 15 seconds of the first trailer, the old look of Star Wars is over and dead. There were a few moments where I'm like "they wouldn't have done that in that way back in the day".
I'll get used to it after a few re-watches.
Stuff I'm Unsure About
- Kylo Ren. He comes off as a spoiled kid a lot of the time. While I should find that refreshing, as the big bad villain it was kind of uncomfortable. I did enjoy his acting, though, Driver was fantastic. I think I'll learn to love him.
- Phasma being in 3 scenes. Then the embarrassing way she goes out. I thought when she turned around and everything on the screen was going red that she actually did the opposite they wanted and was about to badass monologue. But instead they're like "trash compactor?".
Loved it. Everything was spoiled, but I still loved it.
+ the new characters. Poe was in the movie more than the trailers made out and he's a great character. Very funny, badass, great actor. Finn's cowardice was a bit of a turn off on the character, but finding his strength was great. He's so in love with Rey. Maz! Please let us have more Maz! One of my favorite new characters! Of course BB-8 was as great as the trailers made him out.
+ Rey gets her own plus. Some say she's a bit Mary Sue, but I find her incredibly refreshing. For years we've read/watched characters who were forced to take care of themselves yet lazy writers put them quickly in their gender/race/etc roles after we've come to like them - hell look at Han in Return compared to the first two. Rey is a survivor, nearly asexual in nature, a strong human being who can't understand the sexism of someone who assumed she's weak and needed to be dragged around by the wrist. None of the assholes on Jakku treated her like that, they treated her like one of their own: equally shitty.
Her coming into the force, from the scene in Maz's basement to the final duel felt like the first true Jedi story we've seen since Luke's training in Jedi. Like Anakin who used the force without realizing it, she feels it surging through her (I wonder if her mom was force sensitive as well) and once she realizes what it is and lets it in it basically does a lot of the work on it's own. But she still controls it. She's a great, fantastically strong character - one of the strongest female characters I've seen in years - and I'm glad to know my daughter will grow up in a world with her.
+ battles were fun. When the fog was coming over the lake and you knew the Resistance was showing up, there was a lot of butt wiggling, swiggity swooty in the theater.
+ Han, Chewie, C3 and R2 were all great to see. I did like Leia there, though her ill-fitting false teeth kept her from feeling like the Leia I grew up with. Wish she had more to do than talk to Han, hug Rey, and say a line or two during the planning.
+ Han's death
+ Snoke - can't believe I've heard some shit talk about him. I love the scenes he's in. The deformed human face, the huge size, the tomb like atmosphere of his viewing chamber.
Stuff I hated:
- Some scenes just didn't feel like Star Wars. I think over the years I've gotten used to how a Star Wars film feels and as I suspected from the first 15 seconds of the first trailer, the old look of Star Wars is over and dead. There were a few moments where I'm like "they wouldn't have done that in that way back in the day".
I'll get used to it after a few re-watches.
Stuff I'm Unsure About
- Kylo Ren. He comes off as a spoiled kid a lot of the time. While I should find that refreshing, as the big bad villain it was kind of uncomfortable. I did enjoy his acting, though, Driver was fantastic. I think I'll learn to love him.
- Phasma being in 3 scenes. Then the embarrassing way she goes out. I thought when she turned around and everything on the screen was going red that she actually did the opposite they wanted and was about to badass monologue. But instead they're like "trash compactor?".
Arkos
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Eh I guess that's what I mean, I couldn't feel any of the old emotions, whether it were resentment, longing, reminiscing, sadness, etc. They seemed too perfectly amicable (or I would say emotionless but that's my opinion). I know the lines had emotions but they didn't feel well executed to me.
Starsailor
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He already did what Vader never did... Kylo is gonna be a scary villain. Maybe the most dark vilain in the whole saga even there is Plagueis as Snoke.
I think Snoke don't understand what he did by training this guy....
Bobby Roberts
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That's what the other two movies are for.
he doesn't need a redemption arc. This movie is, for him, about rejecting that arc completely.
excelsiorlef
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I'm hoping so...
Fancy Clown
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Dat homage to the Return of the Jedi duel tracking shot.
I thought Kylo Ren was a really sold villain actually, despite basically just being a better written and acted Anakin. Han's solo's death scene was really well done (of course it is, since it's basically the "I am your father scene" but with the familial power balance reversed).
Ragnorok64
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Just how tall is Phasma? I noticed in my second viewing that she seems to be even with or taller than most everyone she's in a scene with. It was especially noticeable during the big speech.
Edit: Why do I keep asking these questions before I just Google it. She's 2 meters tall. Her actress is also 6'3" apparently.
Edit: Why do I keep asking these questions before I just Google it. She's 2 meters tall. Her actress is also 6'3" apparently.
Kylo cuts down people like nothing. Vader never did anything like that.
Bobby Roberts
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Why bring him a lightsaber he never lost?
Starsailor
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Well Vader was angry but he control his emotions.
Kylo don't.
That's why Vader was scary too because it feels like he was in control of everything. Like he can't get scare or angry.
Maybe he would have left his lightsaber somewhere because he was considering giving up on being a Jedi master.
Bobby Roberts
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Or someone found the lightsaber he already lost
Ragnorok64
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Rey having Anakin's old saber, that was then passed to Luke, has way more significance then Luke somehow leaving his green saber behind somewhere off screen. Especially if she turns out to be a Skywalker, which everything seems to be pointing to, at least thematically.
Good point. Kylo definitely wants to work up to being like Vader.
I do hope they lighten up with the whole being like Vader thing though. A big problem with the prequels was that they had this laser focus on his character because of the chosen one BS. That stuff was never even implied in the OT. This movie did a great job of just leaving all that crap behind except the constant Vader name drops.
excelsiorlef
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Also that saber was Anakin's too. It's by far the more interesting/important of the two
No.
It was Hosnian Prime.
Ragnorok64
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Nope, it was the Hosnian System. (which was the current seat of the Republic due to the capital moving around based on elections. Which is information that you only get if you read the visual dictionary(?) or something.)
CreepingFear
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That lightsaber is cursed. If Rey does end up keeping it as her own, a limb will be lost.
BreezyLimbo
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Nah, obviously the lightsaber got mind wiped.
Bobby Roberts
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It's got a LOT of dead kids on it.
excelsiorlef
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They do call it the Hosnian system in the movie and do say the Senate was there I believe
Ragnorok64
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One of the steps of going from an apprentice to a Jedi Knight is building your own lightsaber so I expect her to lose it somehow in the next movie.
Bobby Roberts
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It'd be cool if Luke took it, dismantled it, pulled out the crystal, and then threw away everything else.
Ragnorok64
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I was referring to the capital moving around bit. Most viewers are going to assume it was Coruscant based on what was visually shown. Them calling it the Hosnian system is only said like once(?) I think.
Ragnorok64
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That saber has to remain whole for the protagonist of episodes X, XI, and XII.
*I'm joking, of course but I wouldn't put it past Disney...
excelsiorlef
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Ahhhhh
fastford58
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I love that light sabres have weight to them again.
They were so floaty in the prequels. I guess that happens when you are fighting the air in front of a green screen most of the time, though.
bengraven
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Weird final shot. Not very Star Wars-ish. You could show a jpg of each final scene from the other films, but for this you'd need an animated gif.
Rey's face with her tears, I think she realizes he's her father.
Luke looks torn. I think he's been fighting the dark side quite a bit in isolation and is in the grey right now.
Rey's face with her tears, I think she realizes he's her father.
Luke looks torn. I think he's been fighting the dark side quite a bit in isolation and is in the grey right now.
BlackGhost
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For me Kylo was a menacing villian because of the unpredictability factor, he was never quite stable.
bengraven
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Kylo's speech to his dad was heart breaking. You were pissed because you knew what was up, but Driver was awesome.
Yeah, I love the weight. Each hit is hard. The actual "light" is very heavy compared to the spinning shit from the prequels.
Yeah, I love the weight. Each hit is hard. The actual "light" is very heavy compared to the spinning shit from the prequels.
Just beautiful.
DiipuSurotu
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Well not every pattern has to be repeated in all 6 films. For example, in AOTC the camera pans upwards after the opening crawl whereas it's downwards in all the other films.
I love how this is the Western version of fighting in a bamboo forest like in Asian martial arts films. Kylo's attacks even cut some of the trees down.
Starsailor
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I think he won't calm himself. He will be more and more angry and it will become dangerous for the dark side too. It's like Snoke create a monster, and he's still thinking Kylo is his puppet...
It's like creating a Black Hole. That would be an awesome allegory in Star Wars that Kylo wants to destroy everything.
captainpat
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That final scene was kinda funny cause both Luke and Rey were standing perfectly still for a whole minute.
Speaking of Lightsabers, I really hope Kylo keeps his for 8. It seemed like Rey broke his during the fight and I'll be so sad if he gets a completely different one in 8.
Also, I love how there are only two lightsabers so far and it seemed like only Kylo has one among The Knight's of Ren.
It makes me remember a line from the Red Letter Media reviews, "ENOUGH WITH THE FUCKING LIGHTSABERS".
It makes it feel like having a Lightsaber is a huge deal unlike the PT where they were throwing them around like they meant nothing.
Also, I love how there are only two lightsabers so far and it seemed like only Kylo has one among The Knight's of Ren.
It makes me remember a line from the Red Letter Media reviews, "ENOUGH WITH THE FUCKING LIGHTSABERS".
It makes it feel like having a Lightsaber is a huge deal unlike the PT where they were throwing them around like they meant nothing.
Ragnorok64
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Which seems more out of place? The final helicopter shot of TFA or the shaky-cam war shots from AoTC?
Starsailor
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Dubbedinenglish
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That helicopter pan had some shake to it.
The constant zoom ins in the PT.
Gray Matter
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BRUH!! I was rewatching TESB earlier today and I had the exact same question, a discrepancy for sure.
excelsiorlef
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I love that the movie built up to the one and only lightsaber fight in the movie
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