PlayStation 4 hits 35.9 million sold through to end users

AmFreak said:
It's 7 months and 3 weeks to NA launch and 8 months and 3 weeks to EU launch.
And this 7 months 3 weeks advantage isn't an "only" - this is a huge difference.
ps2 shipments 26 months after:
japan launch: 30 million
us launch: 46 million
meaning if you count from the us launch you add 16 million.

The first 8 months of the ps2 are basically dead weight.
Close to any console outships the ps2 the first ~8 months, consoles like the first XBox or the WiiU.
While the 3 months and 1 week the ps4 launched later in japan wouldn't result in any big difference (a few hundred thousand maybe).



Ofc you can't make a 100% fair comparison, but you at least can try to make it as fair
as possible.



There is no pace with the ps2.
The only reason it's ahead are the first 8 months and the longer the time, the less this advantage will matter, so it's obvious it at some point will fall behind cause it constantly sells less. This point will come this year.
And i disagree, my method shows with console was in more demand/sold faster.
I counted the shipments 26 months from the us launch -> ~50 mill. and then subtracted the shipments till the us launch (aka japan) -> ~4 mill. = 46 mill.
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You'll never get an apples-to-apples comparison, but launch-aligned is a perfectly valid metric. You can't really argue PS2 "should've" sold faster, because at the end of the day, that's how long it took Sony to make and sell that many, and I've no doubt that they were working quickly as possible.
 
AmFreak said:
There is no pace with the ps2.
The only reason it's ahead are the first 8 months and the longer the time, the less this advantage will matter, so it's obvious it at some point will fall behind cause it constantly sells less. This point will come this year.
And i disagree, my method shows with console was in more demand/sold faster.
I counted the shipments 26 months from the us launch -> ~50 mill. and then subtracted the shipments till the us launch (aka japan) -> ~4 mill. = 46 mill.
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PS4 will fall behind PS2 because of 3 simple facts.
It has to share NA with a much stronger XBox brand .
Home consoles sales in Japan are dead .
And the growth from other markets have to cover those 2 .
Still what it is doing is impressive in the context of the market and using launch-aligned is okay .
Even if it going to fall behind PS2 this year .
 
This tweet from Zhuge interested me :

PS4 holiday sales in 2015 = 5.7 million units
PS3 holiday sales in 2009 = 3.8 million units
PS2 holiday sales in 2001 = 5.3 million units

Why PS3 is mentioned in its 4th holiday, PS2 in its 2nd holiday?

PS2's shipments after 2 years were around 28.7 mil.. PS3 shipments were around 21.3 mil after 2 years.
 
AmFreak said:
The ps4 sold better as long as the comparison was ps4 ww vs ps2 japan.
The moment the ps2 was available in the us and europe it sold better.
Counting from the us launch (~26 months):
ps4 36 mill. sold through
ps2 46 mill. shipped
That's not even close.

The ps4 sales are nothing special.
In fact it is the worst selling market leader since the ps1.
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This is some Greenberg level PR.
 
Conduit said:
This tweet from Zhuge interested me :

PS4 holiday sales in 2015 = 5.7 million units
PS3 holiday sales in 2009 = 3.8 million units
PS2 holiday sales in 2001 = 5.3 million units

Why PS3 is mentioned in its 4th holiday, PS2 in its 2nd holiday?

PS2's shipments after 2 years were around 28.7 mil.. PS3 shipments were around 21.3 mil after 2 years.
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nm I re checked my dates
PS3 launched in the US in Nov 2006.

Nov 2008 = 3rd Holiday, same as PS4 (PS2 released for holiday 2000, so 2002 was its third Holiday as well).

So yeah it should have been 2008 for PS3, and 2002 for PS2.
 
AmFreak said:
The ps4 sold better as long as the comparison was ps4 ww vs ps2 japan.
The moment the ps2 was available in the us and europe it sold better.
Counting from the us launch (~26 months):
ps4 36 mill. sold through
ps2 46 mill. shipped
That's not even close.

The ps4 sales are nothing special.
In fact it is the worst selling market leader since the ps1.
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AmFreak said:
It's 7 months and 3 weeks to NA launch and 8 months and 3 weeks to EU launch.
And this 7 months 3 weeks advantage isn't an "only" - this is a huge difference.
ps2 shipments 26 months after:
japan launch: 30 million
us launch: 46 million
meaning if you count from the us launch you add 16 million.

The first 8 months of the ps2 are basically dead weight.
Close to any console outships the ps2 the first ~8 months, consoles like the first XBox or the WiiU.
While the 3 months and 1 week the ps4 launched later in japan wouldn't result in any big difference (a few hundred thousand maybe).
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Ofc you can't make a 100% fair comparison, but you at least can try to make it as fair
as possible.



There is no pace with the ps2.
The only reason it's ahead are the first 8 months and the longer the time, the less this advantage will matter, so it's obvious it at some point will fall behind cause it constantly sells less. This point will come this year.
And i disagree, my method shows with console was in more demand/sold faster.
I counted the shipments 26 months from the us launch -> ~50 mill. and then subtracted the shipments till the us launch (aka japan) -> ~4 mill. = 46 mill.[/QUOTE]

You also forgetting that comparatively, the PS2 launched earlier than the PS4 especially in the US, and that essentially you're forgetting that sales ramp up a lot over time at the beginning of a console's life cycle.
 
Conduit said:
This tweet from Zhuge interested me :

PS4 holiday sales in 2015 = 5.7 million units
PS3 holiday sales in 2009 = 3.8 million units
PS2 holiday sales in 2001 = 5.3 million units

Why PS3 is mentioned in its 4th holiday, PS2 in its 2nd holiday?

PS2's shipments after 2 years were around 28.7 mil.. PS3 shipments were around 21.3 mil after 2 years.
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Record holidays for each platform, perhaps?
 
e-gamer said:
The development values also are proportional... Persona isn't a AAA game when it comes to costs.
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No but it still costs money to port, why do you think indies are in part skipping the XBONE heck why are Japaneese devs in general skipping the XBONE if the cost to port is low to non existent?
 
AmFreak said:
The ps4 sold better as long as the comparison was ps4 ww vs ps2 japan.
The moment the ps2 was available in the us and europe it sold better.
Counting from the us launch (~26 months):
ps4 36 mill. sold through
ps2 46 mill. shipped
That's not even close.

The ps4 sales are nothing special.
In fact it is the worst selling market leader since the ps1.
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Can't tell if you're trolling or really really.. I'm going to stop. -_-
 
e-gamer said:
The development values also are proportional... Persona isn't a AAA game when it comes to costs.
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And yet, Atlus doesn't find porting Persona 5 to the XB1 worth it... Same thing applies to several other Japanese publishers like Koei Tecmo (Nioh, DoAX3, Attack on Titan), Level-5 (Ni No Kuni II), SE (Ikenie to Yuki no Setsuna, KH2.8, Star Ocean 5), Bandai Namco (SAO: Hollow Realization), and so forth.
 
e-gamer said:
The development values also are proportional... Persona isn't a AAA game when it comes to costs.
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It doesn't matter, there's no audience on the xbone for Japanese games this generation, plus the xbone is dead in Japan and losing in other markets, waste of money at this point, cheaper for the publishers to wait for xbone owners to buy a PS4 if they are really interested in their games.
 
Raist said:
You also forgetting that comparatively, the PS2 launched earlier than the PS4 especially in the US, and that essentially you're forgetting that sales ramp up a lot over time at the beginning of a console's life cycle.
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You mean this difference: ps2 26th Oct. <-> ps4 15th Nov.?
While you would be right then, the numbers are so far away if we count from the us start that it doesn't matter (still should have mentioned it).
Over what time, time on the us/eu market is the same in my comparison.

serversurfer said:
You'll never get an apples-to-apples comparison, but launch-aligned is a perfectly valid metric. You can't really argue PS2 "should've" sold faster, because at the end of the day, that's how long it took Sony to make and sell that many, and I've no doubt that they were working quickly as possible.
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It is launch-aligned, launch-aligned from the ww launch, only japan is not.
The moment you count each region launch-aligned individually it's clear the ps2 was selling better/demand was higher, that's all im saying.
But whatever in 6 months the streams will have crossed and it doesn't matter any more.

jesu said:
I dunno, best selling number 2 maybe!
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Nope, ps3 sold better.
 
The Artisan said:
i don't get it, why does it matter that he said that after e3? crapgamer's always been a dogmatic, delusional (and apparently racist) fanboy before and after e3, through and through.Ps4 was the fastest selling console at launch iirc. that never happened before, i.e breaking the record.
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He said that after inviting TimDog to E3, so maybe they won't invite these types of hateful fanboys any more... There is no evidence that Crapgamer is going to E3 this year thanks to MS...
 
AmFreak said:
You mean this difference: ps2 26th Oct. <-> ps4 15th Nov.?
While you would be right then, the numbers are so far away if we count from the us start that it doesn't matter (still should have mentioned it).
Over what time, time on the us/eu market is the same in my comparison.
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Yes and the fact that the PS2 was almost in its second year in Japan when you start counting. Its sales are obviously going to be higher.
 
Conduit said:
This tweet from Zhuge interested me :

PS4 holiday sales in 2015 = 5.7 million units
PS3 holiday sales in 2009 = 3.8 million units
PS2 holiday sales in 2001 = 5.3 million units

Why PS3 is mentioned in its 4th holiday, PS2 in its 2nd holiday?

PS2's shipments after 2 years were around 28.7 mil.. PS3 shipments were around 21.3 mil after 2 years.
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Record WW holiday...

Yeap PS4 is pushing some crazy numbers.

PS2 won't pass it before 2017.
 
ProfessorMoran said:
It doesn't matter, there's no audience on the xbone for Japanese games this generation, plus the xbone is dead in Japan and losing in other markets, waste of money at this point, cheaper for the publishers to wait for xbone owners to buy a PS4 if they are really interested in their games.
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Or just port them to PC which is much cheaper , gets them more profit and can reach a wider market .
Which is what is happening .
 
Raist said:
Yes and the fact that the PS2 was almost in its second year in Japan when you start counting. Its sales are obviously going to be higher.
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No, counting the jap. ps2 sales 26 months from the jap. start actually ups the number, cause you include launch numbers then that are always higher than a "normal" month:
Jap. ps2 shipments 26 months:
counting from us launch: ~8.5 mil.
counting from jap. launch: ~10 mil.

so that would add another 1.5 mil. to the ps2 number.
The reason i didn't do this from the start was cause it meant extra math and the difference was already to big for them to change the picture.
 
serversurfer said:
I started reading this paragraph thinking, "Well, a bit back-handed, but I okay…" and then it immediately went completely off the rails after that.

Sony's first-party are designed for mass market appeal? Da fuq? I thought Sony's first-party was all, "HAHAHAHA! Sure, it's cool, but who the fuck would buy that??" =/
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This is exactly why I buy Playstations
 
AmFreak said:
No, counting the jap. ps2 sales 26 months from the jap. start actually ups the number, cause you include launch numbers then that are always higher than a "normal" month:
Jap. ps2 shipments 26 months:
counting from us launch: ~8.5 mil.
counting from jap. launch: ~10 mil.

so that would add another 1.5 mil. to the ps2 number.
The reason i didn't do this from the start was cause it meant extra math and the difference was already to big for them to change the picture.
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It's actually a bit over 9M from US launch. But yeah you're right, and that doesn't change much. Hadn't realized the PS2 sales in japan were fairly flat.
 
Inuhanyou said:
I don't know...i would assume not. We only know of MS paying people to talk positively about XB1 early on after all.

Spencer and other MS bigwigs also talk and invite these guys to their events directly via twitter. It would be one thing if they didn't really interact with them personally, but the mouthpieces do as well, and that's no good.
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Microsoft has been doing weird fanboy outreach since the first days of xbox.

I don't think many of you would remember this but I thought it was bad news back when it came out. Here, look:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2002/08/26/the-ps2-online-starter-kit

In this link, you can see that in 2002 a young xbox division sent out xbox live press kits that where in fact "ps2 online starter kits". I hope you have a strong enough stomach to really appreciate how ign laps it up.

Now ask yourself. Who were they trying to impress?

When that was new, I had a real "there goes the neighborhood" feeling. They never stopped doing this. I really believe that this kind of marketing is short sighted and won't pay off in the end, so these days I'm not very worried about it like I used to be. It is hell on communities, tho.
 
Raist said:
It's actually a bit over 9M from US launch. But yeah you're right, and that doesn't change much. Hadn't realized the PS2 sales in japan were fairly flat.
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Console market in Japan is in the dumps. Although it's starting to pick up some.

Japan is 3DS land at the moment.
 
Crayon said:
Microsoft has been doing weird fanboy outreach since the first days of xbox.

I don't think many of you would remember this but I thought it was bad news back when it came out. Here, look:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2002/08/26/the-ps2-online-starter-kit

In this link, you can see that in 2002 a young xbox division sent out xbox live press kits that where in fact "ps2 online starter kits". I hope you have a strong enough stomach to really appreciate how ign laps it up.

Now ask yourself. Who were they trying to impress?

When that was new, I had a real "there goes the neighborhood" feeling. They never stopped doing this. I really believe that this kind of marketing is short sighted and won't pay off in the end, so these days I'm not very worried about it like I used to be. It is hell on communities, tho.
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Those pictures are so small, did you save larger ones at all?
I can't make head nor tail what is going on in that link.
 
jesu said:
Those pictures are so small, did you save larger ones at all?
I can't make head nor tail what is going on in that link.
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I don't know if there are larger ones out there. I just turned up the article on a google search.

It's a box that says ps2 starter kit. And inside is a bunch of garbage. Including two blue plastic cups with string tying they together and labeled with the word's "ps2 online communicator." Just dumb shit like that. It is curious how the pictures are so small, tho.
 
Crayon said:
I don't know if there are larger ones out there. I just turned up the article on a google search.

It's a box that says ps2 starter kit. And inside is a bunch of garbage. Including two blue plastic cups with string tying they together and labeled with the word's "ps2 online communicator." Just dumb shit like that. It is curious how the pictures are so small, tho.
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So how did you get an upset stomach if you've never seen the pics?
 
AmFreak said:
The ps4 sold better as long as the comparison was ps4 ww vs ps2 japan.
The moment the ps2 was available in the us and europe it sold better.
Counting from the us launch (~26 months):
ps4 36 mill. sold through
ps2 46 mill. shipped
That's not even close.

The ps4 sales are nothing special.
In fact it is the worst selling market leader since the ps1.
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Looooooooooooooool
 
Elandyll said:
nm I re checked my dates
PS3 launched in the US in Nov 2006.

Nov 2008 = 3rd Holiday, same as PS4 (PS2 released for holiday 2000, so 2002 was its third Holiday as well).

So yeah it should have been 2008 for PS3, and 2002 for PS2.
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The PS3 2008 holidays was 2.2 million.
PS2 2002 holidays was 8.5 million, but remember that PS2 2002 Holidays sales are all november + all December, PS4 5.7m are only Black Friday week ( so, one week ) and December.

So, the comparation isn't 100% fair ( even if PS4 is For sure under those 8.5m figures. )

I guess that's the reason why Zhuge used 2001 holidays sales, imo.

EDIT: Also, yeah those 5.3 million PS2 in 2001 were Black Friday + December.
If i remember correctly, The intere Holidays sales ( all nov + dec ) were ~6.9 million.
 
AmFreak said:
It is launch-aligned, launch-aligned from the ww launch, only japan is not.
The moment you count each region launch-aligned individually it's clear the ps2 was selling better/demand was higher, that's all im saying.
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No, you still don't understand. The worldwide launch of the PS2 was extremely limited, unlike the worldwide launch of the PS4. Sucks to be PS2, but it did the best it could under the circumstances.

Regarding the bolded, unless you have some evidence that Sony were intentionally sandbagging the PS2 launch, there's really no basis for your claim that it "really shoulda" performed any better than it actually did. There's absolutely no reason for us to think anything other than, "PS2 sold as quickly as it possibly could, just like every other product in history."
 
Hi gaffers, question for You.

In 2003, The PS2 Holidays Sales were 7.8 million. ( Nov + Dec )

Do You think will The PS4 in 2016 Sell more?
 
jesu said:
So how did you get an upset stomach if you've never seen the pics?
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I can see them. Try zooming? maybe there's bigger ones out there. Tbh, I'm surprised I was able to turn that up. I hadn't seen nor heard of that since it was news 13 years ago.
 
Crayon said:
I can see them. Try zooming? maybe there's bigger ones out there. Tbh, I'm surprised I was able to turn that up. I hadn't seen nor heard of that since it was news 13 years ago.
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What browser are you using, I've tried all three that I have.

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Could you post the zoomed in shots possibly?

13 years, jesus christ.

Shin-Ra said:
Because he saw them before IGN had several website makeovers that broke access to higher res photos in old articles.
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Ah I see, I thought it was something he had just googled recently.

Crayon said:
I don't know if there are larger ones out there. I just turned up the article on a google search.
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Just an article he found on goodle.
 
Raylan said:
With a $249 price and all these amazing 1st Party games this year? Yes, it's possible.
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Of course is possible. The question is not "can". The question is "Will"?

Well, only time will tell. As for now, i'm gonna say nope, those numbers are massive. But, i wont be surprised if it will. PS4 already breaked some high record.

We will see.
 
RED_RING said:
Of course is possible. The question is not "can". The question is "Will"?

Well, only time will tell. As for now, i'm gonna say nope, those numbers are massive. But, i wont be surprised if it will. PS4 already breaked some high record.

We will see.
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Dunno, I could see it having possibly sold 7M last year.
So if there's another price cut, that may happen.
 
jesu said:
What browser are you using, I've tried all three that I have.

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Could you post the zoomed in shots possibly?

13 years, jesus christ.



Ah I see, I thought it was something he had just googled recently.



Just an article he found on goodle.
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Oh yea no. You can't read that text at all. Maybe they're out there somewhere if your really want to see them. But yeah, 13 years, Time flys.
 
jesu said:
But you said you could see the pics?
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I can see parts in the kit like the cups and whatnot but I can't read the text any better than you can. If you want to know what those say you'll have to get googlin.

edit: or maybe if you ask a few more times someone will do it for you. VVVVV
 
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