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[mid83]

I assumed this deserved a new thread vs trying to get responses in the RNC or Bernie threads. Hopefully should spark some good discussion.

I've been reading a lot of political threads here recently. One of the big things I've noticed is a lot of dislike for Hillary Clinton. As this place tends to skew heavily Democrat, I'm curious why the dislike for Hilary? It's a little surprising me. As somebody who is completely disgusted with the Republican Party and is open to possibly switching sides in the general election, I'm curious why there is little enthusiasm from liberals on here.

 

[marrec]

It's hard to have enthusiasm for what has been pushed as an inevitability for over 12 years.

She's an unabashed establishment candidate whose policies are as banal as her charisma.

That said, she's probably the best candidate.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

I just think she's the shoo-in, so there's no reason to be overly zealous.

Edit: I also suspect more enthusiasm will appear when the primaries are concluded.

 

[M52B28]

That said, she's probably the best candidate.

I don't give a damn about her, but out of the candidates, she is the best of them all.

 

[Sir Abacus]

Why would I want corporate centrist when I have a real life democratic socialist running?

I'll vote for her in the general but not in the primary.

 

[B-Dubs]

GAF's demographics are younger, generally whiter and more internet connected than Clinton's supporters. It's like going to a Trump rally and asking why no one is hyped for Jeb!, that's not his demo. Not that Sanders is like Trump.

 

[dapperbandit]

Her most attractive quality is that she's not a Republican, that's it.

 

[Hilbert]

I am extremely excited about her, but I would never discuss it on GAF.

 

[Team Alucard]

First thing you need to understand is that GAF is not representative of the American electorate

Most Democrats LOVE Hillary Clinton. Her approval rating among the democrats is around 85-90%.

The problem is that nobody other than card-carrying democrats like her. Independents can't stand her. Moderates can't stand her, and Republicans hate her even more than they hate Obama.

The reason why her reception is lukewarm or so negative outside the base is because she's been in the public eye forever, and has been involved in scandal after scandal, most of which are bullshit, but if you tell a lie enough times it eventually becomes regarded as the truth.

Benghazi and Email-Gate have soured the public's opinion on her. The GOP's strategy to discredit her was a resounding success. She has a net negative 10 approval rating right now, and its only going to continue to decline.

I used to support Hillary because I both thought she was the best candidate and had the best chance to win. While I still believe in the former, I no longer agree with the latter, so I'm firmly in Bernie's camp now. Hillary is damaged goods.

 

[CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls]

She's boring and the epitome of #fellowkids in her desperate appeals to the 20-29 base.

 

[jelly]

Same old establishment. She isn't nuts which is a plus but still specual interests, in the pocket of others etc. Inevitability and no change is boring.

 

[stufte]

Because there is not much to be enthusiastic about.

 

[JustenP88]

Boring. Known quantity. Etc.

 

[JesseEwiak]

I assumed this deserved a new thread vs trying to get responses in the RNC or Bernie threads. Hopefully should spark some good discussion.

I've been reading a lot of political threads here recently. One of the big things I've noticed is a lot of dislike for Hillary Clinton. As this place tends to skew heavily Democrat, I'm curious why the dislike for Hilary? It's a little surprising me. As somebody who is completely disgusted with the Republican Party and is open to possibly switching sides in the general election, I'm curious why there is little enthusiasm from liberals on here.

There's plenty of enthusiasm for her among the actual base of the Democratic party - older African-American's and suburban women.

Also, there's the usual dislike from the normal people who are upset Obama didn't turn us into Sweden in six months because they have little understanding of how American politics, and politics in general, works.

 

[RPGCrazied]

Her or Bernie. I don't care which. Leagues better than anything on the GOP side.

 

[Liquidsnake]

Would you guys be really happy with Hillary as your president

 

[RDreamer]

She's alright, but feels like a step back from Obama in nearly every category. She's even more centrist and corporatist and even a bit less inspiring.

I'll be voting for her in the general, but yeah... not terribly enthusiastic I suppose.

 

[Kin5290]

Her most attractive quality is that she's not a Republican, that's it.

And also that she actually knows her shit, which is a nice quality to have in a President.

 

[RPGCrazied]

Would you guys be really happy with Hillary as your president

Over the other Republicans running? Hell yes.

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

I suspect most want the policies of Bernie, but are settling for the policies of Hillary under the (not entirely solid) assumption she has a better chance of winning in the general.

It's hard to get a lot of enthusiasm when you're settling. But given whoever wins won't be enacting a great deal of policy as the republicans are unlikely to lose both the house and the senate, it doesn't make much difference in the end. Which only adds to the lack of enthusiasm.

 

[Vicetrailia]

I think because she's been around forever.

She would be fantastic president, so there are no worries there. I guess from a GAF perspective Bernie better represents where we want to go, versus Hilary who may go 65%.

 

[Rktk]

A lot of people will vote for Hilary with zero enthisasm.

 

[DrGonzo615]

Have you seen her speak? Fake, is the nicest word I can think of. She has the politician talk down to a science and its off putting.

 

[JesseEwiak]

She's alright, but feels like a step back from Obama in nearly every category. She's even more centrist and corporatist and even a bit less inspiring.

I'll be voting for her in the general, but yeah... not terribly enthusiastic I suppose.

Except this is demonstrably false based on her campaign promises. Obama was never for single payer (in fact, his plan was more conservative than Hillary's during the primaries), promised a surge in Afghanistan, and his DOJ has hailed they fact they've deported thousands of undocumented immigrants.

Yes, she's less inspiring. The possible nominees for the Democrat's for the next generation are going to be less inspiring because he's a once in a generation politician, like Reagan or JFK.

Would you guys be really happy with Hillary as your president

The actual difference between Hillary and Bernie's 1st term if you ran the scenario 100 times would be almost identical. Because even if they have majorities in Congress, the 51st Senator and the 218th Congressperson is likely to be close to the same person with either person as President.

 

[QuantumBro]

She's basically a democratic Jeb Bush when all is said and done.

I'll care about her closer to the general election, but as long as Bernie is still in the race, he's the more exciting candidate for me.

 

[Flying Toaster]

It's hard to have enthusiasm for what has been pushed as an inevitability for over 12 years.

She's an unabashed establishment candidate whose policies are as banal as her charisma.

That said, she's probably the best candidate.

Because of this:

And also that she actually knows her shit, which is a nice quality to have in a President.

But honestly it is annoying that the DNC is pushing her and pushing her hard. I like Sanders because he is something that is not the total establishment candidate. But of all the people running she has had the most Washington politics based experience.

 

[Meowster]

Would you guys be really happy with Hillary as your president

Yes.

 

[kingocfs]

All I know is people sure like to click dislike on the YouTube videos she's in.

 

[TheWarrior]

She's boring and the epitome of #fellowkids in her desperate appeals to the 20-29 base.

this is how I see her, plus she seems the fakest out of every candidate. People may say the right is crazy but at least they are genuine and sincerely crazy. Everything about Hillary is forced. I would assume the White House press will be even more contained when she is in office than it has been for Obama.

 

[mkenyon]

Why would I want corporate centrist when I have a real life democratic socialist running?

I'll vote for her in the general but not in the primary.

.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Because Hilldawg doesn't need us to expend energy on her campaign in January. It's great, instead of re-tweeting Facebook posts about ways in which the stars can align to brain-wash college aged kids into heading to the primaries, we get to sit back and laugh at the Trump debacle.

 

[inner-G]

Never been a Hillary fan. Her ideas are more centrist but the other side hates hates HATES her, so it won't go very far towards bipartisanship.

Bernie's ideas align more closely with mine on many issues (health care, taxes, cannabis) and it's hard to even know what Hillary's position is (now). Bernie has consistently fought for the same things, and he seems like a genuine guy.

 

[Akuun]

I'm not American and don't know the details, but I get the feeling that Hillary is a likely candidate simply because she's the best option out of a bunch of much worse people, not because people actually want to vote for her.

For some reason, Hillary's campaign machine is very lukewarm at best. She has very little presence. You never hear about her doing anything interesting or saying anything strong. You just get these super awkward and cheap attempts to seem cool (like that Abuela stuff) every now and then. She's just kind of there.

Is that along the right lines?

 

[nukedeggs]

She'll probably be who I vote for, but she just doesn't generate the excitement of Trump and Bernie because she's Establishment, we all know her, and she isn't new or exciting and doesn't really promise the changes of a Bernie or a Trump.

Like, my opinion of her is pretty much just, 'she's okay, I guess.'

 

[NoblesseOblige]

I think more people should watch the 11 hour grill session by the Benghazi special committee, because I don't know how someone can watch that and takeaway that Hillary is boring or not an excellent candidate.

 

[CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls]

She's basically a democratic Jeb Bush when all is said and done.

I'll care about her closer to the general election, but as long as Bernie is still in the race, he's the more exciting candidate for me.

It's a crazy world we live in when the most exciting candidate, and brightest hope for the future, is a 74 year old "geezer."

I say that politely because he's amazed me in how tenacious and forward-thinking he is.

 

[Hoo-doo]

Because Hillary Clinton is as whitebread as presidential candidates get. She won't change jack shit, all she has going for her is that she's in the democrat camp.

She tries so desperately to be 'hip' like Obama and it's making her look ridiculous.

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

If you were running for President she'd vote for you.

 

[NYCrooner]

She's got my vote but I'm not terribly excited about her. She pretty much politics as usual without the craziness of the GOP front runners.

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

I just don't trust her as the leader for the party. I like the ideas she says, but overall I just haven't ever been inspired by what she says. It has nothing to do with her name. I feel like she is just a good politician. Of course she is better than any of the GOP runners, but I just get this strong feeling that she feels entitled to the nomination and presidency.

 

[JesseEwiak]

I'm not American and don't know the details, but I get the feeling that Hillary is a likely candidate simply because she's the best option out of a bunch of much worse people, not because people actually want to vote for her.

For some reason, Hillary's campaign machine is very lukewarm at best. She has very little presence. You never hear about her doing anything interesting or saying anything strong. You just get these super awkward and cheap attempts to seem cool (like that Abuela stuff) every now and then. She's just kind of there.

Is that along the right lines?

She has little presence among young largely male Internet users.

I just don't trust her as the leader for the party. I like the ideas she says, but overall I just haven't ever been inspired by what she says. It has nothing to do with her name. I feel like she is just a good politician. Of course she is better than any of the GOP runners, but I just get this strong feeling that she feels entitled to the nomination and presidency.

Spoiler Alert - Anybody, even Saint Sanders, who gets elected to the Senate, has an ego the size of Texas. They're all entitled to various degrees, no matter if one of them takes a coach flight.

 

[inner-G]

Because Hillary Clinton is as whitebread as presidential candidates get. She won't change jack shit, all she has going for her is that she's in the democrat camp.

She tries so desperately to be 'hip' like Obama and it's making her look ridiculous.

She's so hip she knows how to dab - and here I thought it was just a way the kids smoke hash these days

 

[HylianTom]

Would you guys be really happy with Hillary as your president

Given the high probability that Congress will be gridlocked for her first term, her main mark on the country would be via judicial nominees. The prospect of replacing Scalia with someone more like Ginsburg is pretty damn delicious.

Personality-wise? Not really. She is a downgrade from Obama - "boring" or "fake" as many of the kids say. "Corporate" is another fun, vague insult to throw out there.

But I'm not voting in a high school student council election, or in an American Idol competition.

 

[ivysaur12]

First thing you need to understand is that GAF is not representative of the American electorate

Most Democrats LOVE Hillary Clinton. Her approval rating among the democrats is around 85-90%.

The problem is that nobody other than card-carrying democrats like her. Independents can't stand her. Moderates can't stand her, and Republicans hate her even more than they hate Obama.

The reason why her reception is lukewarm or so negative outside the base is because she's been in the public eye forever, and has been involved in scandal after scandal, most of which are bullshit, but if you tell a lie enough times it eventually becomes regarded as the truth.

Benghazi and Email-Gate have soured the public's opinion on her. The GOP's strategy to discredit her was a resounding success. She has a net negative 10 approval rating right now, and its only going to continue to decline.

I used to support Hillary because I both thought she was the best candidate and had the best chance to win. While I still believe in the former, I no longer agree with the latter, so I'm firmly in Bernie's camp now. Hillary is damaged goods.

I like how you keep saying this in different threads and people keep telling you this is because of the primary!

Would you guys be really happy with Hillary as your president

Even though I'm not voting for her in the primary, hell yes.

 

[LyleLanley]

My lack of enthusiasm for her comes from the fact that her team is selling her as some cool young progressive candidate when in fact she's no different than anyone before her. She's the most likely candidate and while there are definitely much worse options out there I'm not exactly enthused at the idea.

 

[DragonSworne]

It's a crazy world we live in when the most exciting candidate, and brightest hope for the future, is a 74 year old "geezer."

I say that politely because he's amazed me in how tenacious and forward-thinking he is.

I would say it's the rest of tge candidates who are backward-thinking. Bernie is preaching the same things that have been preached for 50+ years and longer.

 

[samn]

She and her husband are slimebags, liars, and creeps of the highest order.

 

[Kangi]

I'll echo that she has my vote, but it won't be the most exciting vote I've cast. She's dull and I just hope to get 4-8 more years of Obama-esque policies out of her.

 

[God Dayumm]

She needs no fabricated hype


This the #Hill I choose to die on

Spoiler

I can't vote

 

[B-Dubs]

I think more people should watch the 11 hour grill session by the Benghazi special committee, because I don't know how someone can watch that and takeaway that Hillary is boring or not an excellent candidate.

The problem is that she's not doing that every single day. She always wins the debates as well, Hillary's real strength is on policy and there's not much opportunity to show it off since she's so far ahead and there's so few debates. She's been playing error free ball, which is boring to watch unless you know how hard it is. Plus everyone loves an underdog.