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Why such little enthusiasm for Hilary Clinton?
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I'll vote for her if she ends up with the nom because the entirety of the Republican side is batshit insane, but I'm firmly on the Bernie train and it's gonna take a hell of a lot to shake me. Bernie just seems like a much, much more genuine person than Hillary and I like his policies more than Hillary's. Plus Hillary's been involved with some shady shit and seems like she'd say anything to get the nom.
Extra Sauce
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Also, they are canned veggies which means less nutrients.
Sanders is fresh veggies but they won't even make it to your plate.
Sadly you are likely right.
Id argue there is "just the right amount" of enthusiasm for her. Her "appeal" has been overstated and inflated, not just in recent years but also in 2008, when she was suppose to win.
I think that alone speaks volumes, if you have to veil a candidate in inevitability and invincibility, its because the DNC is not that confident, and why would they be, she lost in 2008.
I think that alone speaks volumes, if you have to veil a candidate in inevitability and invincibility, its because the DNC is not that confident, and why would they be, she lost in 2008.
Lactose_Intolerant
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She's not like a real person to me. Everything she says sounds scripted.
JesseEwiak
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Their policies are largely the same. Their appointees, Supreme Court Justices, and plans are largely the actual same plans, policies, and appointees. It's basically going to be Obama 2.0 with an old white lady in charge just like the next 8 years of the WWE is going to be Cena 2.0 with a Samoan dude.
As I've said, her supporters are never going to be loud 'n' proud on the Internet, because her supporters aren't the people spending time on Reddit - they're getting out the vote in black churches and volunteering after taking their kids to soccer practice. They don't have time to make sick memes on Reddit.
Yup, she totally became a Democrat in the late 60's to become POTUS.
I agree. It's bad for a Senator to reflect the values of constituencies in her state, such as Wall Street - now, let's talk about Bernie's opinions on guns and the demographics of Vermont.
Then those people should actually look at Hillary's policy positions instead of depend on feelings.
So, she should be banned from any elected office because her husband managed to get to be POTUS? I can understand not wanting sons or daughters of politicians in office, but hating on spouses seems kind of silly.
She barely lost in 2008 and lost to one of the most talented politicians in a generation who probably won't be replicated on either side of the aisle for some time. It's not like she got absolutely destroyed.
NoblesseOblige
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You think the questioning by the Benghazi committee was scripted? Or that she was somehow smart enough to predict every question they asked and prepare ahead of a time an excellent response. Because either way, that's pretty amazing you have to admit.
Lol. You do realize that she's the only significant candidate for President that's actually a Democrat right? Obviously no GOP candidate is a Democrat. Martin O'Malley isn't significant. And Bernie is straight up not a Democrat. He's an independent running in the Democratic Primary.
Hillary doesn't really care to attack Bernie hard because she knows she's gonna win the Democratic nomination and needs his voters. Why attack him hard and turn off his voters? I'm glad she's doing it the way she is, but I'd prefer for Bernie to just go away. If he wins Iowa and NH, she'll actually have to start attacking him probably and that wouldn't be good for the general.
Lol...
She's been a national political figure for decades and is running against a scrappy insurgent, so of course there may seem to be an imbalance in the enthusiasm department.
That said, Clinton already has the base. She doesn't need people energized for Iowa, she needs them energized for Super Tuesday (though it's less "super" this year) and the general.
That said, Clinton already has the base. She doesn't need people energized for Iowa, she needs them energized for Super Tuesday (though it's less "super" this year) and the general.
JesseEwiak
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...and in the 50's, LBJ was a segregationist Democrat, but he managed to pass the largest expansion of the welfare state and end government supported racial segregation.
It's nice to be an idealist. But, sometimes you need people who have been in the shit and know where the bodies are buried to get things done.
theignoramus
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Im not sure why African Americans are still enamored with Clinton and her husband after the race baiting stunts they pulled with Obama 8 years ago. Hopefully Sanders pulls the rug out from under her in first two primaries.
Lactose_Intolerant
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Hobbestetrician
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Can we step back for a minute and realize that the 'inevitable' Democratic nominee and frontrunner for the Presidency is a woman? You know, something that has never come close to happening?
Maybe it is because Obama broke the mold in being a minority that was elected but women are actually a majority in this nation but have only been able to vote for less than a hundred years and have never seen a woman at the top of a presidential ticket. This would be historical on the same level as Obama.
I have enthusiasm for Hillary because I want a woman to be elected President and I largely support her platform.
(And I can't help but read a lot of attacks on her as at least subconsciously sexist, much like so much vitriol towards Obama felt racial. Unfair of me? Perhaps, but it is there on some level.)
Maybe it is because Obama broke the mold in being a minority that was elected but women are actually a majority in this nation but have only been able to vote for less than a hundred years and have never seen a woman at the top of a presidential ticket. This would be historical on the same level as Obama.
I have enthusiasm for Hillary because I want a woman to be elected President and I largely support her platform.
(And I can't help but read a lot of attacks on her as at least subconsciously sexist, much like so much vitriol towards Obama felt racial. Unfair of me? Perhaps, but it is there on some level.)
A lot of people really dislike Hillary because she's super awkward and running for President is a popularity contest to some degree, even with Democrats. All the accusations of her being so fake or whatever just tend to sound like nerds projecting their own anxieties onto someone who has remained an awkward nerd well into adulthood.
A panel of hand-picked GOP inquisitors, 11 hours, and she made them look like damn clowns.
This way of thinking has always been confusing to me. I want to vote for someone who's willing to follow the will of the people. If everyone is pro-2nd Amendment and then a major shooting happens and everyone becomes anti-gun, I want a candidate that will work to get the anti-gun agenda passed. It's bizarre that people would rather have a candidate that sticks to his or her guns when 90% of the country rejects his or her way of thinking rather than just change.
teruterubozu
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She could use another Benghazi hearing right about now.
Black guy. Muslim sounding name. Inexperienced. Probably tons of other critiques of him ive forgotten.
She lost to a great candidate no doubt, but Obamas great run does not pardon her failure.
There is absolutely no doubt that ramming her down everyone throats was the strategy, and now even grandpa socialist seems capable of challenging her.
Because I think she'll toe the corporate line on everything and that means, at best, many fundamental parts of our society are going to get worse (internet laws, privacy laws, trade laws, corporate laws, political law, the wealth gap between ultra-rich and everyone else).
Maybe I'm wrong. After all, she is a lawyer, so she might make the right decision on issues like internet law. And she would also promote several supreme court justices, so there's that.
Maybe I'm wrong. After all, she is a lawyer, so she might make the right decision on issues like internet law. And she would also promote several supreme court justices, so there's that.
BossLackey
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She comes across as extremely fake to me. Like she doesn't even believe her own words. She jumps on whatever is opportunistic, not what she actually believes in, just what will get her elected. I like her only slightly more than Trump.
stufte
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There are so many other women in politics that would be better than her as president, I'd rather the first woman president be someone everyone is excited to see run the country.
Since just about anyone can give an example of a ridiculous thing Trump has said to earn their scorn, do you have any similar examples of these opportunistic and disingenuous things Hillary has said or done?
"Everyone" being excited for one candidate probably isn't going to happen in our lifetime in such a divided country.
Fortunately, the last few months of the general is one big street brawl against the GOP. I personally think she seems awkward when sparring with fellow Democrats, but then she seems right at home in an across-the-aisle fight, so that's pretty encouraging.
RPGCrazied
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Yeah, that was brutal. Have to give her credits after that. And man, that man is glossy!
gutter_trash
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is she invited to attend the Premiere of Michael Bay's new movie?
SlimySnake
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Enthusiasm is overrated. We were all head over heals for Obama and look at how that turned out.
At the end of the day, the president is not a Rockstar. he's not a sports star. he's not supposed to make me wet or enthusiastic. He or she is supposed to do their job.
Hilary will do her job. And do it well.
At the end of the day, the president is not a Rockstar. he's not a sports star. he's not supposed to make me wet or enthusiastic. He or she is supposed to do their job.
Hilary will do her job. And do it well.
NoblesseOblige
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Neither are inherently good or bad. Sticking to one's convictions can be a favorable character trait. At the same time it can be one of the worst. See: Conservatives who continue to deny things like climate change despite growing evidence.
Who wouldn't want a candidate that's an expert at psychohistory?
I'm perfectly happy with Secretary Clinton as the democratic nominee. I think she's the best choice and really don't know where this perception of her as republican lite came from.
Except unless Sanders can somehow change an entire demographic bloc that votes for him, Clinton is going to be the presumptive nominee after the first Super Tuesday.
She ran a shitty campaign in 2008 and barely lost, and Obama didn't even get the total amount of delegates just from the states until he got most Superdelegates pre-convention. I think we're forgetting how close 2008 was, and how close Hillary was to the nomination. It's not like she was jammed down anyone's throats in 2008 -- people genuinely were voting for her over Obama.
stufte
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Well then I would settle for Democrats and Moderates being excited. Hillary has the charisma of a brick wall.
theignoramus
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Yeah, the one characteristic that that has enabled her to have such a lengthy political career is the same one that makes you question the sincerity of much of what she says.
I believe shes sincere about womens rights and health care, since shes fought for both for decades. Everything else is an open question.
Hobbestetrician
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Who is everyone? How do you measure excitement? If she wins 51% of the vote in November (something her husband never did) does that qualify or are the goalposts moved because "Well, at least 10% of those held their nose when they voted because they really loved Bernie?".
Epsilon-delta
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Perspective is everything. I remember Bill implementing policies that incarcerated more blacks than Reagan ever did and it took years for him to admit he was wrong.
Bill is lucky social media didn't exist in the 90's as it does now because he would have been a one-term president after word got out about the incarceration rates of minorities.
Also, the scandal with Lewinsky forced Gore to run away from Bill, which cost Gore the election (having a personality of dry paint didn't help either) and gave us Bush.
Also, for all the shit hilgaf likes to kick around about Bernie's supporters being ignorant young white boys (I'd link to the article about millennial women supporting Sanders in larger numbers but hilgaf would rather young people stay out of the process), I think a lot of people remember 2008.
People always talk about how "battle tested" and experienced she is. She was tested in 2008. As soon as shit got hot, she floundered miserably. Her tenure as SoS is nothing to be proud of. She, and her supporters, have an annoying persecution complex. Way too much entitlement.
Congrats on staving off the lunatic Republicans on the benghazi thing... She regularly fails tests that matter. Now that polls are showing a tighter race than we anticipated, she's floundering again. It's really a shame that so few Democrats bothered to challenge her. She's a genuinely weak, uninspiring candidate. There's no virtue in being unlikable, regardless of how her supporters try to spin it (she's like vegetables!).
People always talk about how "battle tested" and experienced she is. She was tested in 2008. As soon as shit got hot, she floundered miserably. Her tenure as SoS is nothing to be proud of. She, and her supporters, have an annoying persecution complex. Way too much entitlement.
Congrats on staving off the lunatic Republicans on the benghazi thing... She regularly fails tests that matter. Now that polls are showing a tighter race than we anticipated, she's floundering again. It's really a shame that so few Democrats bothered to challenge her. She's a genuinely weak, uninspiring candidate. There's no virtue in being unlikable, regardless of how her supporters try to spin it (she's like vegetables!).
Lactose_Intolerant
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The other guy is left of her.
OP, you can probably tell from the responses by now, but obviously, Hillary needs to be someone that these people (who say they don't like her) can have a beer with for them to be enthused about her.
I mean, look at this guy, who seems to place a premium on how cool his choice candidate has to be:
Imagine these people having to vote for people who are to the right of Hillary Clinton when it comes to midterms! We're totally not recovering the house in 2018
I mean, look at this guy, who seems to place a premium on how cool his choice candidate has to be:
And he's easily sucked in by populist rhetoric. People gravitate towards someone who promises them the moon, which Hillary doesn't do (and they call her a liar anyway).
Imagine these people having to vote for people who are to the right of Hillary Clinton when it comes to midterms! We're totally not recovering the house in 2018
stufte
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I think a good margin of people will vote for her because she's not a Republican, not because they necessarily like her. I felt the same way about voting for John Kerry, I didn't care for the guy, but he wasn't Bush.
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