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[Spyder_Monkey]

Because most of the vocal Sanders people on the internet are young, white, male yuppies using one man to vocalize their frustrations of the world. I like Sanders and he would make a fine president but let's not act like Bernie is a saint and Hilary is the devil. No matter what, we need a democrat in the white house.

 

[Hellwarden]

Also, she not a war hawk like those fools on the GOP side.

She's lined up for military interventions a lot in the past. Commonly with the GOP leaders.

And she has commonly defended our use of drones.

Just because she's not as shit, doesn't mean she's good.

 

[Kickz]

Healthy, but tastes meh?

Spoiler

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[perfectchaos007]

I think Hillary v. Trump could actually pave the way for a viable 3rd party candidate to be considered for the presidency. They both have so many haters with overlap.

 

[Your Entertainer]

Bernie is actually cool, Hillary is fellowkids af dude

 

[Cipherr]

Just wait for it. It's not even super Tuesday yet.

You will see us and our enthusiasm just fine as the day to vote approaches.

 

[Ovid]

Because she's a fucking war hawk, and believes in continuing military interventions in the middle east.

She's lined up for military interventions a lot in the past. Commonly with the GOP leaders.

And she has commonly defended our use of drones.

Just because she's not as shit, doesn't mean she's good.

She will continue Pres. Obama's policies but hopefully she pursues/maintains diplomatic solutions to new international problems.

 

[JesseEwiak]

She's lined up for military interventions a lot in the past. Commonly with the GOP leaders.

And she has commonly defended our use of drones.

Just because she's not as shit, doesn't mean she's good.

I hate to break this to you, but the vast majority of the country doesn't want us to be isolationists, and prefers the use of drones over the use of land troops.

 

[Spyder_Monkey]

Bernie is actually cool, Hillary is fellowkids af dude

That doesn't matter though.

 

[B-Dubs]

Bernie is actually cool, Hillary is fellowkids af dude

I can't unhear Larry David when he talks

 

[CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls]

Also, just to clarify. My feelings towards Hillary are cavalier at best. I'm not a fan of her stance on several foreign policies and some domestic. I find her charisma lacking, but I admire her experience. I certainly don't hate her, but I'm not a fan either. /shrug

 

[LosDaddie]

She's better than any GOP candidate, but still #NotMyAbuela

Clinton also assumes things, like being Senator & Prez, should be given to her because of her husband. She ran for senator in NY because she knew that she could only win in a liberal state. In 2008, she was in a perpetual state of shock that Dems weren't flocking to her in droves, and that she actually had to fight for the Dem nomination.

She's lucky there's no serious competition in the Dem field this time around.

Sure, but according to GAF only racists support Sanders.

Or self-hating, uninformed minorities. Don't dare mention that Sanders marched with MLK Jr on GAF!

 

[JustenP88]

I can't unhear Larry David when he talks

If you don't think Larry David is cool then this thread is now about something entirely different.

 

[foxtrot3d]

She's lined up for military interventions a lot in the past. Commonly with the GOP leaders.

And she has commonly defended our use of drones.

Just because she's not as shit, doesn't mean she's good.

Well, Hilary's foreign policy views line up with mine so I'm all for her.

 

[stupei]

Democrats have completely and totally abandoned states they feel are lost causes. That needs to change. Your "why try cause the Republicans won't like it" rhetoric is self-defeating and a holdover from when Reagan came through and tore shit up.



No? I'm not seeing the L here. You could've assumed from my initial post that I don't respect Hillary Clinton that much as a politician. Dramatis, or whatever, dug through my history to show me parroting the same shit. Sounds like a waste of time to me.

Again, you're assigning things to me I didn't say. I never said don't try. I said to talk about what happens if (when) you fail. You know, the realistic hard realities a President deals in instead of a candidate.

 

[Big Baybee]

Or self-hating, uninformed minorities. Don't dare mention that Sanders marched with MLK Jr on GAF!

Jesus Christ

 

[Lactose_Intolerant]

If you don't think Larry David is cool then this thread is now about something entirely different.

Obama on Larry David's sunscreen addiction.

 

[Hellwarden]

I hate to break this to you, but the vast majority of the country doesn't want us to be isolationists, and prefers the use of drones over the use of land troops.

I don't want troops on the ground. I don't want another Iraq. But to defend our drone program at this late in the game is terrible.

I don't believe drone strikes have made the middle east safer.

She will continue Pres. Obama's policies but hopefully she pursues/maintains diplomatic solutions to new international problems.

That's basically all we can do at this point.

 

[q_q]

Would you guys be really happy with Hillary as your president

Yes. I mean I'm not a fan of her personally or her corporatist, poll-watching approach to politics. But I think she'd be a very competent president. I'll be voting for Bernie, btw.

 

[Kathian]

Shes been in office a long time. Whats her crowning achievement?

 

[Mercury Fred]

She's better than any GOP candidate, but still #NotMyAbuela

Clinton also assumes things, like being Senator & Prez, should be given to her because of her husband. She ran for senator in NY because she knew that she could only win in a liberal state. In 2008, she was in a perpetual state of shock that Dems weren't flocking to her in droves, and that she actually had to fight for the Dem nomination.

She's lucky there's no serious competition in the Dem field this time around.

Actually, she ran a strong campaign for Senator and clearly put the work in to transition from First Lady to actual politician.

 

[acheron_xl]

From what I read in this thread she's kinda reminding me of Al Gore, who was seen as a boring version of president Clinton.

It feels very similar to Gore '00 - a coronation rather than a process of selection. Bernie seems to be doing a better job of being the one token spoiler though - Bill Bradley never got that Ron Paul-style passion behind him.

 

[XGRaViSmOrSX]

robodroid 2.0 isn't getting my vote. Who even knows who the "real" hillary is at this point, I don't even think she does.

 

[Cipherr]

Would you guys be really happy with Hillary as your president

Yes.

 

[Ovid]

I don't want troops on the ground. I don't want another Iraq. But to defend our drone program at this late in the game is terrible.

I don't believe drone strikes have made the middle east safer.

Without a doubt, it has made it worse. Especially the use of signature strikes.

What a disaster.

 

[JustenP88]

Again, you're assigning things to me I didn't say. I never said don't try. I said to talk about what happens if (when) you fail. You know, the realistic hard realities a President deals in instead of a candidate.

Well, if you could point out to me a candidate with a "here's what happens when my policies/ideas don't come to fruition" plan, then I'd be all ears. If you disagree with Sanders on policy, that's fine. The majority of Democrats in office think Sanders is too far to the left. But to say "yeah his ideas are nice, but they're hard so who cares?" is, again, self-defeating.

Not long before his inauguration, there were a lot of people who thought electing a black man named Barack Hussein Obama was a pipe dream. I don't think liberal, populist economic ideals are that toxic (80+% of Democrats support single-player, along with 50+% of all Americans, along with a lot of the world's industrialized nations). Our hesitancy to really push for these things is further proof of how conservatives, ultimately, stay winning where it counts.

 

[Horns]

There is enthusiasm for Hillary. Sometimes it is drowned out by all the Bernie talk, but that's because of demographics of where you go. Benghazi and the emails have taken a small toll. Then there's the fact that she's had a lot of momentum and it's very difficult to maintain that level for long periods of time.

She's fine. Don't take the overzealous Bernie talk as lack of enthusiasm for Hillary.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

I'd much rather Bernie be the nominee, but that's probably not gonna happen, right? So the enthusiasm may not be there at the moment, but if she's the nominee, I'll drum something up.

 

[ivysaur12]

Shes been in office a long time. Whats her crowning achievement?

CHIP while she was First Lady, after the failed attempt for the 1993 health insurance plan that laid groundwork for the ACA.

 

[psylah]

I lived through the 90's.

 

[reckless]

There is enthusiasm for Hillary. Sometimes it is drowned out by all the Bernie talk, but that's because of demographics of where you go. Benghazi and the emails have taken a small toll. Then there's the fact that she's had a lot of momentum and it's very difficult to maintain that level for long periods of time.

She's fine. Don't take the overzealous Bernie talk as lack of enthusiasm for Hillary.

Yeah if you based the enthusiasm of candidates just from the internet Ron Paul should have been the nominee/President.

 

[Flying Toaster]

CHIP while she was First Lady, after the failed attempt for the 1993 health insurance plan that laid groundwork for the ACA.

Whatever clearly she is anti health!

Remember this: ASPIRIN FACTORY

In all honesty that was a joke. Her push for healthcare reform should be respected. A lot of younger voters do not remember how active she was as first lady.

 

[gutter_trash]

CHIP while she was First Lady, after the failed attempt for the 1993 health insurance plan that laid groundwork for the ACA.

This, this, this.

So many Millennials forget about the battles she had against Republicans and Rush Limbaugh's daily TV show attacks for her battles on Healthcare

 

[Empty]

getting behind hilary clinton is an acceptance that improvements to the status quo will be slow and incremental, balanced against measures you find will distasteful, done by compromising with a deeply hostile legislature. it's accepting a repeat of obama's last few years, except hilary can't re-do gay marriage, can't re-do opening relations with cuba, can't dine on the legislative successes when democrats held house & senate, the recovering economy seems less exciting as 2008 starts to get further away, and hilary has vastly less personal charisma than obama, much less ability to frame policy arguments within a grandiose, aspirational narrative.

i think she'll be a terrific president. i'm a little scared that people are getting too excited about the ridiculous republican primaries and that maybe they could sneak sanders into the white house, and will close the door on a fantastic fighter for liberal causes and open the door to the very real prospect of republican presidency. this is a fear based argument, which is part of why it's not very exciting.

 

[theignoramus]

Or self-hating, uninformed minorities. Don't dare mention that Sanders marched with MLK Jr on GAF!

Which is silly since Bill and Hill actually have made racially inflammatory comments about Obama. Sanders only sin is having some ignorant ass supporters who run off at the mouth.

 

[eBay Huckster]

getting behind hilary clinton is a acceptance that improvements to the status quo will be slow and incremental, balanced against measures you find will distasteful, done by compromising with a deeply hostile legislature. it's accepting a repeat of obama's last few years, except hilary can't re-do gay marriage, can't re-do opening relations with cuba, can't dine on the legislative successes when democrats held house & senate, the recovering economy seems less exciting as 2008 starts to get further away, and hilary has vastly less personal charisma than obama, much less ability to frame policy arguments within a grandiose, aspirational narrative.

i think she'll be a terrific president. i'm a little scared that people are getting too excited about the ridiculous republican primaries and sneaking sanders in to the white house, and will close the door on a fantastic fighter for liberal causes and open the door to the very real prospect of republican presidency. this is a fear based argument, which is part of why it's not very exciting.

this basically clarifies exactly why i'm voting for her, with several of pigeon's posts in PoliGAF clarifying exactly why i'm *not* voting for bernie

 

[jackissocool]

Wal-Mart board member

 

[NoblesseOblige]

I really want the primaries to be over just because I'm really interested in who the winner will campaign with as their Vice President. That decision can really change the feelings for many.

 

[NeoXChaos]

getting behind hilary clinton is an acceptance that improvements to the status quo will be slow and incremental, balanced against measures you find will distasteful, done by compromising with a deeply hostile legislature. it's accepting a repeat of obama's last few years, except hilary can't re-do gay marriage, can't re-do opening relations with cuba, can't dine on the legislative successes when democrats held house & senate, the recovering economy seems less exciting as 2008 starts to get further away, and hilary has vastly less personal charisma than obama, much less ability to frame policy arguments within a grandiose, aspirational narrative.

i think she'll be a terrific president. i'm a little scared that people are getting too excited about the ridiculous republican primaries and that maybe they could sneak sanders into the white house, and will close the door on a fantastic fighter for liberal causes and open the door to the very real prospect of republican presidency. this is a fear based argument, which is part of why it's not very exciting.

+1

 

[boiled goose]

Im a progressive independent.

She is a corporate Wall Street sell out. She is not the worst and when it comes to certain issues like gun control and education she is great.

She wont be a transformative candidate. Just more of the same. The same is average person getting boned because the rich and corporations run government and rig the law in their favor.

She's also a bit too hawkish when it comes to war for my taste. She voted for the war in iraq.

 

[gutter_trash]

Which is silly since Bill and Hill actually have made racially inflammatory comments about Obama. Sanders only sin is having some ignorant ass supporters who run off at the mouth.

Hillary never did.

Only Bill did, and it was when he compared Obama to Jesse Jackson's 1984 campaign, during the 2008 South Carolina Primary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qqd2dfjl2pw

 

[Kathian]

Her biggest achievement was a policy which was 18 years ago? America has come along way on health any 20 years but shes been a Senator and Secretary of State and am not sure shes done much which greatly stands out there.

I mean someone in her position should be able to list all her achievements and draw from that what she can do as President. She hasn't done this and I'm not sure she can.

 

[jackissocool]

Im a progressive independent.

She is a corporate Wall Street sell out. She is not the worst and when it comes to certain issues like gun control and education she is great.

She wont be a transformative candidate. Just more of the same. The same is average person getting boned because the rich and corporations run government and rig the law in their favor.

Yup

 

[cDNA]

Because she's fake. Everything she does and says is a calculated move to further her own career. I firmly believe she's only running as a democrat because the dems have a lot better chance of winning the white versus the republicans. I don't believe anything she says or think she would get anything accomplished as a President.

Do you know Hillary has been democrat most of her life and was elected senator as a Democrat, while Bernie just become Democrat now that he is running for president.

 

[phanphare]

I can't unhear Larry David when he talks

Im a progressive independent.

She is a corporate Wall Street sell out. She is not the worst and when it comes to certain issues like gun control and education she is great.

She wont be a transformative candidate. Just more of the same. The same is average person getting boned because the rich and corporations run government and rig the law in their favor.

She's also a bit too hawkish when it comes to war for my taste. She voted for the war in iraq.

her consistent vote for the patriot act is what gets me more than the Iraq war tbh

 

[q_q]

Her biggest achievement was a policy which was 18 years ago? America has come along way on health any 20 years but shes been a Senator and Secretary of State and am not sure shes done much which greatly stands out there.

I mean someone in her position should be able to list all her achievements and draw from that what she can do as President. She hasn't done this and I'm not sure she can.

I get your point but we shouldn't start judging politicians by their greatest hits. Their policies and track records are far more important.

 

[jackissocool]

Do you know Hillary has been democrat most of her life and was elected senator as a Democrat, while Bernie just become Democrat now that he is running for president.

Which is a huge point in a Bernie's favor

 

[injurai]

That said, she's probably the best candidate.

I see this thrown with very little to back it up. At most people say that she can get stuff done, and work within the system. But I really don't see that as being true. She passes the most entrenched anti-populous economic riders without batting an eye. There is strange assumption people make that Sander's or other candidates would be too beholden to their ideals to work with congress. Which simply isn't true.

 

[Horns]

Yeah if you based the enthusiasm of candidates just from the internet Ron Paul should have been the nominee/President.

Exactly. And just like Ron Paul supporters there will be many Bernie Sanders supporters who won't bother to vote if their candidate isn't on the ticket. That's the unfortunate nature of young voters.

 

[JustenP88]

Do you know Hillary has been democrat most of her life and was elected senator as a Democrat, while Bernie just become Democrat now that he is running for president.

I think there are a lot of people out there who don't see "hasn't been a lifelong democrat" as a negative. Party allegiance is dying. Don't more people identify as independent than either Democrat or Republican? I support Democrats by virtue of them not being Republicans, but I don't feel they've done enough to deserve blind, unwavering support.