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[dsp]

Go to your happy place, brah.

 

[Sianos]

erasureacer's punishment for preferring 40 more years of a conservative supreme court and by extension a retraction of gay marriage's legality and an extreme regression of the lgbt movement to the election of a candidate he actually has a majority of views in common with should be to take an isidewith.com test and be forced to post long-form all answers and the results so that they are forced to see that they were 90% the hillary the whole time

Privilege

succinct and entirely accurate

 

[Gordon Shumway]

You knew what it would become.

Honestly? I don't hang in these kinds of threads much..seems I've been missing out!

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Who is this red haired hottie?

 

[The Adder]

You guys are being a bit hard on Erasure for his list. The post he responded to was literally only asking what positions he supported that aligned with Bernie. There was nothing about how he was supposed to achieve them.

When you're willing to let the Supreme Court go to the conservatives, while understanding and agreeing woth the reasons it would be bad, because you can't get the exact President that you want then it damn well better be over something a President actually has control over.

 

[damisa]

Her website says she's for "affordable" (not sure what you mean universal -- single payer? shirley, you can't be serious) healthcare and greater taxes on the wealthy. I'm not sure what sane foreign policy entails.

Bernie's great plan for Syria is to ignore Assad and get Saudi Arabia and other Sunni countries to help Assad take back his country from ISIS.

The fact that he thinks Sunni countries will help Assad is like elementary school level naivety.

 

[kaching]

And this is why cults of personalities can be bad.

As long as we're being fair and acknowledging there's plenty of that going on for Hillary too. I'd personally prefer Bernie but I'd vote for Hillary in a heartbeat against anyone on the Republican side and yet I've never felt quite so patronized in a political argument as when I simply dare to debate the sheer and apparent inevitability of Hillary's election that many hold as their position.

 

[rjinaz]

Honestly? I don't hang in these kinds of threads much..seems I've been missing out!

Nah Bernie supporters don't usually take Bernie threads in this direction. This is new.

Come on y'all, the debate hasn't even started yet. Let's not say things that might get us banned before then!

 

[Dash_Riprock]

As long as we're being fair and acknowledging there's plenty of that going on for Hillary too. .

Nowhere NEAR to the extent of Ron Pau-- I mean, Bernie Sanders.

 

[ivysaur12]

As long as we're being fair and acknowledging there's plenty of that going on for Hillary too. I'd personally prefer Bernie but I'd vote for Hillary in a heartbeat against anyone on the Republican side and yet I've never felt quite so patronized in a political argument as when I simply dare to debate the sheer and apparent inevitability of Hillary's election that many hold as their position.

Sure! But you see less of that on NeoGAF.

 

[The Adder]

I mean shit, if they wanted to make half a decent fucking argument they could have said the Veto. Because there are absolutely things Hilary will let pass her desk that Bernie wouldn't. Couldn't even manage that.

(The veto and the Supreme Court are why I vote for Presidents, personally)

 

[Epsilon-delta]

As long as we're being fair and acknowledging there's plenty of that going on for Hillary too. I'd personally prefer Bernie but I'd vote for Hillary in a heartbeat against anyone on the Republican side and yet I've never felt quite so patronized in a political argument as when I simply dare to debate the sheer and apparent inevitability of Hillary's election that many hold as their position.

I couldn't have said it any better.

 

[Enzom21]

Yo..what the fuck?

All I can do is laugh. That picture is ridiculous.

We are witnessing white liberal fatigue first hand.

"How could those black people attack Bernie?"

"They should be so happy to vote in a candidate like him, why are they attacking him? How stupid are they, they don't even know their own interests!"

This is the attitude of a lot of supporters I've talked to, let alone seen online (and on GAF)

There was a whole lot of condescension and "Hell of a way to get people to support your cause" or "BLM people are making me racist." from his supports when it came to black people.

Hillary destroying Bernie among minorities? Good thing elections are won by majority.

Thank God for white people, am I right?!

 

[royalan]

Nowhere NEAR to the extent of Ron Pau-- I mean, Bernie Sanders.

Yep.

These days if Hillary even lifts a finger we have multiple threads on GAF about which demo she must be pandering to. Meanwhile, Bernie Sanders is actively milking a connection with an underground black rapper whose music he didn''t know (and probably STILL doesn't know) all because he repped him in some tweets...but that's OK tho.

The cult of personality around Bernie is insane at this point, and Hillary is enjoying nothing like it.

 

[SolicitorPirate]

I'm sure they were bad for their times. This seems to have a different type of vibe. Not only is there the intellectual superiority angle, but there's diet racism in many parts of it

Throw militant atheism in, and you basically have the Reddit Liberal

 

[excelsiorlef]

Ernh.

I want nothing to do with Hillary. I will not be voting for her. Telling you this out front can influence you to vote for the more electable person, Bernie. And give you warning that you as a supporter of Clinton will have a harder time getting her elected. Are you willing to put in the work for Hillary? Probably not. She will most likely lose the General should she get there if she's not up against Trump.

Supreme Court? Great, we've had a conservative Supreme Court for the past 40 years(if not longer) Let's ride it out another 40. Not my fault. Either we are serious about the problems facing this country today(Bernie)...or we are not(everyone else). I vote in all elections(even the local stuff when it's the only crap on the ballot). I have no problem leaving President blank or voting 3rd party. Given the choice between two conservatives...I choose neither.

Did you set out to prove his point?

A conservative supreme court means bye bye abortion, wellfare, social services.

Hillary in power would not

 

[Inuhanyou]

No surprise, women and minorities above age 50 don't really know who Bernie Sanders is, but he's already made plenty of strides from virtually zero earlier this year, taking the latino vote in Cali from 3.5% to 30% for example, the national polls going from a 20 point lead down to 10 or 7 point lead at the very most.

Acting like things like that don't change makes no sense.

Why was there such a big deal for Obama to win the Iowa caucuses after all? Because before that Hillary had it in the bag nationally and state by state. His momentum carried him forward, and Bernie is actually in a better position at this point in time than Obama was.

Did you set out to prove his point?

A conservative supreme court means bye bye abortion, wellfare, social services.

Hillary in power would not

But just because Hillary won't automatically kill us, doesn't mean we arent dying slowly under her administration.

What's this whole notion of protecting corporate interests all of a sudden because Hillary is apart of that machine? That's not how progressives or liberals act

We as people who claim to want better have to actually fight for something worth while, and it should be more than the weak assertion that 'well, atleast she'll hopefully pick some court justices that won't be bad"

 

[Epsilon-delta]

I wonder what some of you thought about Hillary supporters believing in the birther bs in 2008.

There will always be crazies on either side. You act like this is your first election.

 

[damisa]

No surprise, women and minorities above age 50 don't really know who Bernie Sanders is,

Yeah because only young white males follow news.

 

[The Adder]

Did you set out to prove his point?

A conservative supreme court means bye bye abortion, wellfare, social services.

Hillary in power would not

They don't understand what you're talking about. They can only scream about "GLBT" and how Bernie's better on it.

Kept bringing it up to me assuming that was my single problem with their selfishness.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

No surprise, women and minorities above age 50 don't really know who Bernie Sanders is, but he's already made plenty of strides from virtually zero earlier this year, taking the latino vote in Cali from 3.5% to 30% for example, the national polls going from a 20 point lead down to 10 or 7 point lead at the very most.

Acting like things like that don't change makes no sense.

Why was there such a big deal for Obama to win the Iowa caucuses after all? Because before that Hillary had it in the bag nationally and state by state. His momentum carried him forward, and Bernie is actually in a better position at this point in time than Obama was.

Except for you know, that whole "Hillary is destroying Bernie among minorities" thing.

Also guys, it's a month till the primaries start. If the people who need to vote for your candidate haven't "heard of him" by now, maybe it's on that candidate and not "the establishment keeping da man down".

 

[dabig2]

When you're willing to let the Supreme Court go to the conservatives, while understanding and agreeing woth the reasons it would be bad, because you can't get the exact President that you want then it damn well better be over something a President actually has control over.

Yeah, but that's not what that list was about. That list was literally just "what policies do you agree with Bernie on" and he posted them.

In the grand scheme, Erasure is just 1 guy and it's not like he's going to vote for the Conservative guy. And I'll give him credit for actually going out there and trying to educate those in his community to try build that progressive coalition. That whole "don't make perfect the enemy of good" works both ways here.

There's worse people out there to pour your vitriol at. We still have young people here who would vote for the Republicans despite decades of evidence of them fucking up the world.

 

[Kinvara]

I might just be a dumb British rube, but is it possible that the reason Bernie's having trouble with minorities - or, rather, why his support is basically just middle class white people - is because they can afford to not have a Democrat win? They can afford to back a nominee that is far less likely to win in a general election because a project being defunded actually doesn't impact their life, practically? Or, to put it another way, the pursuit of purity and a means to keep their conscience clean is more important to them than the actual repercussions of having a not-perfect Democrat in the White House vs a Republican, because they'll basically be fine whoever gets elected?

Pretty much. I can only speak for myself but as someone who is not-hetero and not-white, a Republican presidency is a serious threat to my rights.

I'm 100% okay with either Sanders or Clinton taking the office- at the very least it means a Trump or Cruz stays out.

Clinton may be establishment but to say she is no better than any of the Republican candidates is just straight-up ludicrous.

The life of a minority progressive is a continuous series of being let down by your white counterparts.

The struggle is real.

 

[AlphaDump]

Hillary destroying Bernie among minorities? Good thing elections are won by majority.

this... cant be real..

right?

 

[Tesseract]

hillary is a corporate shill, she's got the dnc chair (debbie) in her pocket

she's a liar and panderer, don't support her

let establishment media and politics bern

 

[ErasureAcer]

A conservative supreme court means bye bye abortion, wellfare, social services.

Because we're not living under a conservative Supreme Court now? Stop the scare tactics.

 

[dsp]

Who is this red haired hottie?

The wife of the man in the picture above her.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Because we're not living under a conservative Supreme Court now? Stop the scare tactics.

I'm starting to think you don't know what the word conservative actually means.

The wife of the man in the picture above her.

Damn, the redheads are always taken

 

[ivysaur12]

Because we're not living under a conservative Supreme Court now? Stop the scare tactics.

Only because Kennedy is somewhat sympathetic to not undoing liberal precedents/loves gays more than anyone else.

 

[MHWilliams]

Yeah, but that's not what that list was about. That list was literally just "what policies do you agree with Bernie on" and he posted them.

In the grand scheme, Erasure is just 1 guy and it's not like he's going to vote for the Conservative guy. And I'll give him credit for actually going out there and trying to educate those in his community to try build that progressive coalition. That whole "don't make perfect the enemy of good" works both ways here.

There's worse people out there to pour your vitriol at. We still have young people here who would vote for the Republicans despite decades of evidence of them fucking up the world.

Most of the answers to the post you're referring to simply point out that all that stuff has to get through Congress. As far as vitriol goes, that's pretty low key.

Most of the anger in his direction has been based on other preceding posts that seem to show a general lack of the effect of certain actions or statements on the populace at large.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Because we're not living under a conservative Supreme Court now? Stop the scare tactics.

Scare tactics?

You know that it's all but inevitable that the next president will put in not just one justice, but most likely two?

Do you live in a bubble?

 

[Kusagari]

Because we're not living under a conservative Supreme Court now? Stop the scare tactics.

Guys like Cruz are sick of people like Kennedy and Robets on the court.

If a Tea Party wackjob gets the nom it's getting packed with Scalia's and this country is fucked for a generation.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

The wife of the man in the picture above her.

Holy shit!

 

[rjinaz]

this... cant be real..

right?

Sanders wept.

 

[Tesseract]

The wife of the man in the picture above her.

holy shit, really?

that's gross

 

[SoRuffShoNuff]

Bernie has no shot at winning southern states. While we (black people) dont make up enough of the populace to make a huge difference in the general election we sure can make an impact in the primaries and really Bernie hasnt been able to penetrate this demographic much.

 

[Armaros]

Because we're not living under a conservative Supreme Court now? Stop the scare tactics.

Gay marriage went though as a 5-4 ruling and the oldest (and cancer survivor) justice is one of the core liberals of the bench.

 

[kaching]

Sure! But you see less of that on NeoGAF.

Well, I really only care to debate politics on NeoGAF, so I can't really agree that I see less of it here. I mean, I see enough for it to be just as toxic to discourse as the overzealous Sanders supporters can be, and beyond that I can't really comment if it's more or less than other places.

 

[Epsilon-delta]

holy shit, really?

that's gross

Don't hate Tesseract lol.

 

[The Adder]

Yeah, but that's not what that list was about. That list was literally just "what policies do you agree with Bernie on" and he posted them.

In the grand scheme, Erasure is just 1 guy and it's not like he's going to vote for the Conservative guy. And I'll give him credit for actually going out there and trying to educate those in his community to try build that progressive coalition. That whole "don't make perfect the enemy of good" works both ways here.

There's worse people out there to pour your vitriol at. We still have young people here who would vote for the Republicans despite decades of evidence of them fucking up the world.

I have less vitriol for conservatives because many of them are simply just wrong. People can be wrong. I've been wrong. That's fine. I can talk to wrong. I can try to convince wrong.

Someone who is willing to let bad things happen to other people, things they know and agree are bad, because they cam't have their way?

Fuck that.

 

[dsp]

Holy shit!

Could have been our first lady, too. Good job, America. Michelle is pretty fine, though.

 

[Ogrekiller]

Scare tactics?

You know that it's all but inevitable that the next president will put in not just one justice, but most likely two?

Do you live in a bubble?

Scorched earth baby, salt the land!

 

[ivysaur12]

Well, I really only care to debate politics on NeoGAF, so I can't really agree that I see less of it here. I mean, I see enough for it to be just as toxic to discourse as the overzealous Sanders supporters can be, and beyond that I can't really comment if it's more or less than other places.

I don't think you could make a very convincing argument that there are more Hillary supporters on NeoGAF unless you notice more of them because you are not one of them, or that you find their arguments patronizing because you disagree.

That doesn't discount that there aren't rabid Hillary fans (one of the biggest was just banned), but I don't really see the vitriol unloaded against Sanders that you see unloaded against Hillary on NeoGAF.

 

[watershed]

Although Hillary's campaign has been working hard to sure up her support in the later primaries, I think people will naturally rethink their vote if Bernie wins both Iowa and NH. It's natural to see a candidate in a different light once they prove they can win votes.

 

[ErasureAcer]

You know that it's all but inevitable that the next president will put in not just one justice, but most likely two?

I'm well aware of that. If you ask anyone...they'll say this is a conservative Supreme Court and it is...yet none of those things the poster said(abortion rights, etc, etc..) have been taken away. The Supreme Court is already conservative. WHAT IS THERE TO BE AFRAID OF?

If the people on the Supreme Court were worried who are liberals and up there in age(Ginsburg)...she should resign for an Obama replacement. If Ginsburg isn't worried...neither am I.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

holy shit, really?

that's gross

Damn, son..lol.

 

[Tesseract]

don't trust anyone with superpac money, they will do whatever it takes to win

 

[Aztechnology]

Clearly Chillary's downfall.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DxfMUEf9otQ

 

[Goodstyle]

holy shit, really?

that's gross

Pic is from 2015. Stay mad.

 

[docbon]

Because we're not living under a conservative Supreme Court now? Stop the scare tactics.

Hillary destroying Bernie among minorities? Good thing elections are won by majority.

If this is some grandmaster level trolling, my god.