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[gutter_trash]

so, Hillary Clinton is the more Liberal one who actually does give a shit about PP and stuff like that

 

[legacyzero]

This is the same Bernie has been saying since day one that he supports "the right of women controlling their own bodies".

So I think theres a lot of folks jumping to conclusions. Unless Im reading it wrong, hes not against the concept of what these programs provide, but against the programs themselves for whatever reason.

He should clarify his words before the other camps can rake him over the coals.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

I wonder what's taking the Sanders campaign so long to respond to this.

Expect a response in around a month or so.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Turns out that Democrats really aren't that different from Republicans.

Temporary democrat. He'd still be independent if he believed it'd get him the votes. He knows he needs to be part of the establishment that is the two-party system to stand a chance at winning.

 

[NeoXChaos]

This is too good. Thank you Bernie.

 

[richiek]

Welp, nice knowing you, Bernie.

 

[Transhuman]

I fucking wrote that. Me not Sanders. It's what he should have said not what he said

You could admit you didn't watch the video and add an addendum as to what Bernie actually meant, or at the very least add the question to which the quote was in answer to. You know, objectivity?

 

[Angelus Errare]

Hilary it is.

 

[Jawbreaker]

How is an expression of disappointment that he missed out on an endorsement from an organization that he has unequivocally supported some sort of proof that he can't be trusted? You think he's just going to abandon all of his prior positions on women and reproductive rights from this quote?

I missed the part where he was planning on dismantling PP. I also missed the part where this blurb would have any sort of effect on anything other than giving Hillary supporters another "look at the sexist, racist white guy" deflection to rally around.

Some of it is confirmation bias, certainly. It's true that it's a pretty big gaffe that will hurt Sanders (especially with his weakest demographics), but it's interesting to see when the benefit of the doubt is given to a candidate, especially when context is necessary.

 

[DrROBschiz]

PP is just another oligarch puppet Bernie and his legion must challenge at all costs.

Well expecting PP to stand on the sidelines until the candidacy was settled is probably asking a bit much

I see what he is saying and its true.... but we dont live in that ideal world so everyone is STILL playing ball

Maybe once CPF actually becomes a real thing....

 

[Garrett Hawke]

Hillary probably MADE him say this.

 

[benicillin]

Thread title ignores the context of the quote entirely (it's clearly not in the spirit of what he was saying), but he also could have worded it differently and avoided the whole thing. Still this reeks of being a non-issue but gotta get them clicks.

He's not entirely wrong, Planned Parenthood Action Fund is still a SuperPAC.

 

[ant_]

This is honestly my first exposure to GAF Politics and it's pretty disheartening to see people latch on to this out-of-context quote and even go so far as to say the dude is against planned parenthood.

I mean, really?

 

[B-Dubs]

This is the same Bernie has been saying since day one that he supports "the right of women controlling thir own bodies".

So I think theres a lot of folks jumping to conclusions. Unless Im reading it wrong, hes not against the concept of what these programs provide, but against the programs themselves for whatever reason.

He should clarify his words before the other camps can rake him over the coals.

He's salty that they endorsed his opponent over him, had they endorsed him they'd be the best thing since sliced bread. There was a way to say this without sounding like a moron and killing his chances with groups he needs to make inroads with, but he let his salt get in the way.

 

[Tarydax]

Well, this makes me sad.

Sure, he's not saying he's against Planned Parenthood and the HRC, but they are among the last groups he should be talking about when it comes to the political establishment. I can't fathom the thought process it took to come up with lumping either of them in the same category as Wall Street.

 

[JustenP88]

Some of it is confirmation bias, certainly. It's true that it's a pretty big gaffe that will hurt Sanders (especially with his weakest demographics), but it's interesting to see when the benefit of the doubt is given to a candidate, especially when context is necessary.

I don't necessarily disagree with that. He certainly could have answered that question with much more tact.

 

[gutter_trash]

Temporary democrat. He'd still be independent if he believed it'd get him the votes. He knows he needs to be part of the establishment that is the two-party system to stand a chance at winning.

pretty much, he complains about the D machine so he decides to ditch his ''I'' and adopt the Democrat's Primary race as a vehicle to propel him as leader of the Democrats.

but what does he expect average Democrats who have known him all his life as an Independent to think? he can get away at just waltzing in, pretend to be a Democrat for 6 months ?

You can't blame Democrats for picking the regular Democrat candidate over the temporary one

 

[nelchaar]

YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE BERNIE

He should know better than to give fueled quotes to the media that's hoping to trounce him in favor of Hilary.

 

[DrROBschiz]

Well, this makes me sad.

Planned Parenthood and the HRC are among the last groups he should be talking about when it comes to the political establishment. I can't fathom the thought process it took to come up with lumping either of them in the same category as Wall Street.

Its technically correct but politically a rough spot

I admire his principal for consistency i guess?

 

[balladofwindfishes]

I'd agree, but people really show their color when they'd rather hold people to the standards of soundbite communication. There is so much to be gained by properly contextualizing these things.

I think part of being an effective and good politician is knowing how to "play the game" while still achieving your goals. Knowing how the system works and how the media works, and planning your ambitions and discussions around those "rules"

To say stuff like this comes across as amateur. It does nothing to help him get elected, nor does anything positive at all. He's just stating a fact, but not appearing to realize how poorly it would be received, nor how much it could be framed to harm his campaign. That comes across to me as worse than had he just said Planned Parenthood sucks or something, because at least he realizes what he's saying and what the repercussions would be.

I look at mistakes in speaking like that to be a major problem for a politician, especially one running for president. Part of the role as president is to be a figure head, and someone in that position needs to know when to say something and when to not.

 

[norm9]

Ran so far to the left he ended up on the other side.

 

[Jas]

"While I'm disappointed with their endorsement of Hillary, they play a crucial role in women and LGBT rights in America and I look forward to working with them should I (or when I) get the Democratic nomination."

And done.

He answers questions just as well you make thread titles

 

[Crimson_Gold]

Hillary probably MADE him say this.

It was one of her powers that were revealed in tbose super, duper top secret emails.

Sanders should have chosen his words better. Honestly, the only thing he can do now is to come out with a statement clarifying this.

 

[Alexlf]

This is honestly my first exposure to GAF Politics and it's pretty disheartening to see people latch on to this out-of-context quote and even go so far as to say the dude is against planned parenthood.

I mean, really?

A lot of people don't read the OP, let alone the thread or the article. They'll read the title, drop in to leave a 1-off comment about how they can't believe how Bernie is blah blah blah, and then disappear into the night. Tis the GAF way.

 

[Ogrekiller]

This is honestly my first exposure to GAF Politics and it's pretty disheartening to see people latch on to this out-of-context quote and even go so far as to say the dude is against planned parenthood.

I mean, really?

Yeah really.

This is how the game is played for better or for worse.

And this is the kiddy pool.

If Bernie goes up against the Republicans the amount of slander would astonish you.

Why do you think people think so badly of Clinton after 20 yrs of constant attack from the media and the right wing? Even liberals believe the crap the media spews about her.

 

[Mariolee]

He's basically talking about establishment donors, whatever their stripe.

Bernie is echoing the prevailing populist messages of the past. Put control and influence toward individual voters, not groups.

It's nothing controversial implicitly, Bernie is pro-choice, but I can see how it can be interpreted as such.

Yeah this isn't as crazy as it seems this thread is reacting to it. At least, it's not surprising coming out of Bernie's mouth.

 

[ivysaur12]

This is honestly my first exposure to GAF Politics and it's pretty disheartening to see people latch on to this out-of-context quote and even go so far as to say the dude is against planned parenthood.

I mean, really?

You don't say something like this in any context if you're running for the Democratic nomination for president. Period. Even though he didn't mean it as an attack on what PP or the HRC does, it's terrible optics and shows an amateurish level of campaigning.

 

[jmood88]

but aren't those two things the same? if he believes the establishment is working to gridlock those that are not a part of it (particularly in the context of Bernie not being 1. establishment, 2. a democrat, and 3. endorsed by planned parenthood) then... well, it seem pretty "me vs. establishment" to me.

for me, this just demonstrates how reductive and limited a blanket "establishment"/"not-establishment" world view is and why that view can be useful when it comes to economic inequality and the billionaires, but less so when it comes to a lot of Bernie's weaker areas (ie. foreign policy, guns, occasional social issues). at the end of the day, Bernie is a politician—there's only so much he can ever claim to divorce himself from that dreaded political establishment when he's been a career politician his whole life. he's worked to change the system from within the system, just as other "establishment" organizations like PP and HRC have.

Exactly.

 

[DrROBschiz]

I think part of being an effective and good politician is knowing how to "play the game" while still achieving your goals. Knowing how the system works and how the media works, and planning your ambitions and discussions around those "rules"

To say stuff like this comes across as amateur. It does nothing to help him get elected, nor does anything positive at all. He's just stating a fact, but not appearing to realize how poorly it would be received, nor how much it could be framed to harm his campaign. That comes across to me as worse than had he just said Planned Parenthood sucks or something, because at least he realizes what he's saying and what the repercussions would be.

I look at mistakes in speaking like that to be a major problem for a politician, especially one running for president. Part of the role as president is to be a figure head, and someone in that position needs to know when to say something and when to not.

Yeha but I thought the point of his grassroots campaign was to change the rules of the game.... cuz you know

Politics are corrupt and broken under the current setup?

Not like thats going to be what resonates with the populance

We still seem more than happy to see the circus play out as it always has.... minus the Trump obsession

 

[Armaros]

This is the same Bernie has been saying since day one that he supports "the right of women controlling their own bodies".

So I think theres a lot of folks jumping to conclusions. Unless Im reading it wrong, hes not against the concept of what these programs provide, but against the programs themselves for whatever reason.

He should clarify his words before the other camps can rake him over the coals.

Would Bernie be slamming the PP 'establishment' if they endorse him instead of Hilary?

 

[SpideySenses]

This is the first time I've found Bernie news on here before the front page of reddit, how strange.

 

[fantomena]

so, Hillary Clinton is the more Liberal one who actually does give a shit about PP and stuff like that

Lol no.

 

[zbarron]

I see his angle...

Planned Parenthood is a SuperPAC for Hillary Clinton.

But is he attacking it because it's a SuperPAC? Or because it's a Hillary Clinton SuperPAC?

He's salty that they endorsed his opponent over him, had they endorsed him they'd be the best thing since sliced bread. There was a way to say this without sounding like a moron and killing his chances with groups he needs to make inroads with, but he let his salt get in the way.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/bernie-sanders-super-pac/420930/
This is a good article to read about the subject. He is against Super PACs that are for him or for someone else. He is running based on getting big money out of politics so when people are throwing big money his way to get him elected it puts him in a bad position.

 

[DrROBschiz]

Would Bernie be slamming the PP 'establishment' if they endorse him instead of Hilary?

Thats a legitimate question.

Vocal support or Monetary?

 

[M0nochromatic]

Oh wow I never realized Bernie Sanders was so vehemently against women's health! It's a good thing we were able to induce that he's actually an anarchist who intends to blow up and defund abortion clinics from this one single statement about what is considered to be the establishment.

Spoiler

sarcasm

Gotta give props thoufh. It's a strong attack by HRC to turn it into ammunition like that.

 

[Hellsing321]

Are you saying that the "Reddit supporters" are the ones who won't take this quote out of context and misrepresent Bernie's stance on Planned Parenthood? Not sure what you're getting at.

I'm saying its a stupid unforced error that doesn't endear him to anyone except those already supporting him.

 

[legacyzero]

He's salty that they endorsed his opponent over him, had they endorsed him they'd be the best thing since sliced bread. There was a way to say this without sounding like a moron and killing his chances with groups he needs to make inroads with, but he let his salt get in the way.

I agree. But the point still stands. Theres a lot of folks that are jumping to conclusions as if Bernie doesnt support what those programs deliver.

He's still for Women's rights all together. He's been on message for that since the beginning.

 

[SoRuffShoNuff]

This is honestly my first exposure to GAF Politics and it's pretty disheartening to see people latch on to this out-of-context quote and even go so far as to say the dude is against planned parenthood.

I mean, really?

Welcome to politics in general. Your words will be chopped into lovely little sound bites that will haunt you until election night. That's how it has always worked. If Bernie is eating crap for this on liberal leaning sites what do you think will happen to him when the Republican machine starts taking aim?

He doesn't seem ready for the big show with this mistake and numerous others he has made in his campaign.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

This is the first time I've found Bernie news on here before the front page of reddit, how strange.

Reddit's not going to upvote any negative Bernie PR.

 

[onadesertedisland]

So when again was Hillary against gay marriage?

 

[Arkeband]

This is the first time I've found Bernie news on here before the front page of reddit, how strange.

It was one of the top rated posts in /r/politics this morning before Twitter and OP responded.

Though it was pointing out the in congruency of these organizations rating Bernie higher than Hillary, but making decisions on behalf of the organizations to endorse Hillary instead of Bernie, or even staying neutral, which is their previous stance.

 

[noshten]

Yeah really.

This is how the game is played for better or for worse.

And this is the kiddy pool.

If Bernie goes up against the Republicans the amount of slander would astonish you.

Why do you think people think so badly of Clinton after 20 yrs of constant attack from the media and the right wing? Even liberals believe the crap the media spews about her.

Sure all the negativity towards Clinton is entirely fabricated in the shadows by those super smart Republican strategists. It has nothing to do with what she has voted for in the past, what positions she has undertaken or the fact that knowingly that she was running for president she decided to do a speaking tour that much like 08 would be used against her.

Hillary is pretty much drowning in a kiddie pool she herself created

 

[gutter_trash]

I agree. But the point still stands. Theres a lot of folks that are jumping to conclusions as if Bernie doesnt support what those programs deliver.

He's still for Women's rights all together. He's been on message for that since the beginning.

standing in the way of America's first woman President

he can't win

 

[commedieu]

Oh wow I never realized Bernie Sanders was so vehemently against women's health! It's a good thing we were able to induce that he's actually an anarchist who intends to blow up and defund abortion clinics from this one single statement about what is considered to be the establishment.

Spoiler

sarcasm

Gotta give props thoufh. It's a strong attack by HRC to turn it into ammunition like that.

So did hrc get pp to come to the same conclusion then? As they expressed disappointment with being lumped in with wall street.

This was all avoidable.

Too soon rookie.

 

[ahoyhoy]

Bernie shouldn't be badmouthing every organization that supports Hillary.

I don't see how this means that Bernie is against the work PP does, he's just frustrated that this large organization is endorsing someone else.

 

[Fenderputty]

Rise Sanderites! Rise and fight the good fight! Fight the evil of greed and corporate power! Fight Planned Parenthood!

 

[IamDodongo]

The Sanders movement has really got to stop attacking progressive organizations. You should see the Human Rights Campaign's facebook page right now.

 

[Phased]

You don't say something like this in any context if you're running for the Democratic nomination for president. Period. Even though he didn't mean it as an attack on what PP or the HRC does, it's terrible optics and shows an amateurish level of campaigning.

Exactly right. PP is a bit of a sacred cow as a Democrat in this country. You don't even go near it as a candidate unless it's to throw praise at them. They do way too much good and stand for one of the cornerstones Liberals represent, which is a woman's right to choose.

With that said, and as someone who doesn't care who gets the nomination, I don't think he was attacking them. He chose his words poorly when he should have said nothing at all, or something short like "I'm disappointed they endorsed my opponent over me, because my record speaks for itself." And left it at that.

 

[HiredN00bs]

Look how long it took the thread to get the facts straight after reading the quote

The first page?

 

[HylianTom]

What impeccable timing. I know he supports these causes, but that wording..