googleplex
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Not just stupid but completely irresponsible.
Sanders calls Planned Parenthood part of the Political Establishment he's taking on
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Ah, so this is the hill his campaign has come to die on. I was wondering when that would happen.
I maybe understand sort of what he was trying to get at... but hoo boy, you do not want to be so lax with your words when you're talking about these organizations.
Also what the hell does he want, some sort of grass roots version of planned parenthood that has zero political clout and is funded 100% through private donations? Dude, Bernie, what you talking about?
I maybe understand sort of what he was trying to get at... but hoo boy, you do not want to be so lax with your words when you're talking about these organizations.
Also what the hell does he want, some sort of grass roots version of planned parenthood that has zero political clout and is funded 100% through private donations? Dude, Bernie, what you talking about?
FriedConsole
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Awesome. I needed a convenient excuse to explain to people while during the primary I was bashing Hillary but now that the general election is coming up I think Hillary is the greatest candidate ever.
Pretty much. I think most of us here know EXACTLY what Bernie Sanders meant he said this. He wasn't attacking the very existence of PP like the GOP does, but rather their political influence. I do believe a lot of this is salt from him. I doubt he would have mentioned them if they chose to back him over Hillary.
With that said, the average uniformed voter is not very intelligent. All they're going to see is a quote about Bernie attacking PP.
Welcome to Bernie threads, there is a certain crowd of people here who really hates him. While I agree, that this statement was worded very bad and there were a lot of better ways, you can really see people trying to dismantle Bernie Sanders on that thing alone.
Are you able to quote one person in this thread fighting against Planned Parenthood. What Bernie said (in context) was a true statement. Perhaps not the best political move but I thought we prided ourselves as being the party with truth and reality on our side.
No, he's saying that planned parenthood shouldn't be contributing to super PACs. Not that they should reform as an organization.
SenorArdilla
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Hey Sanders! Say something!
CharminUltra
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Welcome to Bernie/Hillary threads where people really hate Hillary but love Bernie who can do no wrong.
So how does PP campaign for it self against an entire party that wants it shut down?
Skulduggery
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This is what constitutes an attack these days? Are people really that desperate for a Bernie scandal?
By swaying the people, not trying to manipulate the outcome of elections by feeding money to political parties. The statement was that he's surprised even organizations like PP are getting into that game as such.
EDIT: And because I can see it coming, no this has nothing to do with my position on things. This is what Sanders was saying, not an opinion I hold.
Fenderputty
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How is PP part of the establishment? What does calling PP part of the establishment do? What does this concept promote?
Jawbreaker
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Most of the people doing that in this thread weren't going to vote for Sanders anyway because they believe Hillary has a better shot against the Republican nominee in the general. Don't worry too much about them. I'd say the bigger issue is that it's going to reach more uninformed individuals who will read it and discredit Sanders without looking for or understanding the context which, quite frankly, is why it's a pretty big gaffe and Sanders can only blame himself for it.
When you run a campaign, you have to be on your toes at all times. Anything you say that can be misconstrued WILL be turned into a sound bite that can damage the entire thing, even if it's incredibly innocuous.
Kid Kamikaze10
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Bernie really doesn't know how to play the game, and he ain't Trump who can brazenly break the rules.
This gaffe is gonna hurt him bad. PP should have never came out of his mouth unless he knew what he was doing.
This gaffe is gonna hurt him bad. PP should have never came out of his mouth unless he knew what he was doing.
Too bad he worded in such a way that the only message that will get through to people is that he thinks PP and HRC are evil.
Epsilon-delta
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This tit for tat and gotcha politics is tiresome. It's a game for young bucks apparently.
It seems like every election year people become irrational with their drive-by posts, knowing full well they never liked the candidate or supported his or her policies from the get go.
onadesertedisland
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He means the establishment part of the Democratic party that acts as if Hillary is already the nominee and does whatever it can to make that happen instead of being supportive of all running for the nomination.
M0nochromatic
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What actions does he wish to take against them?
The statement play is fair game, though. If Bern can't handle it here he's certainly going to have problems later against much more vicious interpretations of what he's said.
DrROBschiz
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If your stance is Campaign Finance reform.... its such an important idea that its disingenuous to pick and chose who does and doesnt fall into that category
Yeah PP is a rough target but they fall into that pool even if its out of neccesity for its survival
Exactly, if you have to explain what you're saying you have already lost.
Ogrekiller
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Really?
Of course they're desperate; it's all about the ratings.
If you're talking about Hillary, then of course.
People were attacking her daughter for stumping for her. But now Bernie's the frontrunner... so of course people will attack him now.
You want to go up against the establishment? Well this IS the establishment.
That is pretty naive of Bernie if he thinks a besieged important institution like PP should just stand by and hope for goodwill in dealing with how Republicans want to dismantle them.
Deserted Maniac Island
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Under a 'Single Payer' Health Care system, which Bernie Sanders advocates, wouldn't Planned Parenthood be useless?
Planned Parenthood is basically a political institution (Not saying they don't provide actually services), people say they support PP to get the women's vote, and PP supports politicians so they can still exists. Though the health care system should be fixed so care is provided for all under all encompassing health care system.
PP is working under todays system, but its not as great as a 'Single Payer' system, where women will get reproductive care alongside every other health service.
Planned Parenthood is basically a political institution (Not saying they don't provide actually services), people say they support PP to get the women's vote, and PP supports politicians so they can still exists. Though the health care system should be fixed so care is provided for all under all encompassing health care system.
PP is working under todays system, but its not as great as a 'Single Payer' system, where women will get reproductive care alongside every other health service.
Are you implying that Republicans are going to come out of him for an extremely innocuous "attack" on PP?
Gnome Scat
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Well that's not good, he's starting to sound radical.
Pretty much. He could have chosen a million examples, but went with two organisations that have associated themselves with Hillary.
To talk about PP in the same breath as Wall Street after all the shit they had flung at them this and last year is inane and petty.
He isn't already radical in the view of the current system?
Skulduggery
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I mean us, in this thread. Unfortunate choice of words? More like unfortunate choice of reality. You think Planed Parenthood is going to jump in on a single payer system?
Oh I have no clue. Im pointing out that its being ran with by the groups themselves that he mentioned.
NOT JUST "ZoMG GAF OVERREACTING! Derp"
Any damage to your campaign is bad damage.
excelsiorlef
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Uhhh clinics exist in a single payer system
benicillin
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IIRC he was specifically asked about PP and HRC backing Clinton because it was unusual in the sense that PP especially has never backed a candidate in the primary process before, that's why he mentioned both of them.
Shouldn't we worry about the Congress or the Senate before worrying about PP liking this policy?
Right, but I think the whole basis he putting forward is that if he plans to remove money from politics it will involve fighting not only the "evil" corporations, but the "good" ones as well.
excelsiorlef
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And he could have avoided connecting them to the "establishment" especially Wallstreet
Fenderputty
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Ohhh so they picked a side and it wasn't yours. Awful of them.
The issue with campaign finance reform is largely that super pacs are secretive entities. PP donating has fuck all to do with these gaint secretive super pacs. They're not the enemy when talking about campaign finance reform. Maybe bernie fans can shit up PP's twitter like they did the HRC.
Thatonemoor
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I hardly agree with what he said hut you guys are acting like he just said he wants to destroy planned parenthood.
DonasaurusRex
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maybe he's got another plan for the money they get from the government , they sure did a number on the NAACP effectively spliting that political organization, PP is a part of the political establishment, heh very few things aren't , surprising a social democrat cares though , im sure he will have to expound on this in the coming weeks.
Dean being taken down for fucking shrieking one time is still probably the most insane "gaff" in recent American politics. Dude must have had a huge target on his back for the media to play this none event up so much.
M0nochromatic
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No. It's an indictment of how he's playing the game. I'm saying that if he were to continue to make statements like this and allow them to be viewed in such a manner in the general, it would be an easily exploitable weakness.
Dude needs to play smarter.
Veritigo_X
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Yeah, this shit is embarrassing.
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