That's good, but only 6% of the population in NH is non-white, not indicative of how he will do in later states
The New Hampshire Primary |Feb 9|: Live Free or Die
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RPGCrazied
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Bernie can do the stuff he says. Its not a stretch he can't raise the wage to $15 an hour and tax the super rich more. How is that can't happen? How can you compare that to banning a religion? Gosh...
Iorv3th
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I don't think he said he would ban all muslims, I thought it said from certain muslim countries.
What? He didn't say he would ban all muslims.
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So what happens to the delegates earned by people who drop out. Say Rubio stays in the race until there's only three candidates left and drops out near the end. Say it's him, another establishment candidate and Trump. Do all his delegates get nullified, or would they be redistributed in some way? If so, based on what?
silvermember
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I don't understand why the media always hypes up New Hampshire and Iowa. It is like let's pick the whitest states which is fine except that most elections are decided by states that have more minorities. Or a more diverse population. Also Of course Bernie Sanders would win New Hampshire, it is like Vermont but with a different name.
Nevertheless if Bernie wins any state with more than simply whites, then he has a chance.
His issue among minorities isn't the result of minorities not knowing who he is. It's Bernie's insistence on a 'Rising Tide Lifts All' mentality with respect to how to solve the issue of racial inequality in this country. With the exception of the disproportionate jailing of blacks, the solutions he's constantly parading for racial inequality/racism are all economic based (health care, minimum wage, college, etc)
The Technomancer
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Both of those things will require congressional action to happen nationwide as he's promising. Congress will never approve those. Hell, you could have a Democrat controlled congress and they still might be unlikely, a lot of Democrats are not that radical.
MetalGearZed
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neat
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Water is not wet!
i hope Jeb can beat Cruz.
Every other candidate hopes the others drop out so they get their support, so they won't drop out. Contested convention here we come.
RPGCrazied
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He certainty said "All in that speech."
"A complete and total shutdown of all Muslims entering the US."
Yeah, I'm not that hopeful for it meaning much of anything for the southern states. But I wouldn't be that shocked if we get a surprise in Nevada.
All six of the non-white voters in NH?
neurosisxeno
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And you don't think leveling the economic playing field for minorities would do wonders for improving their quality of life?
Schattenjäger
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He's doesn't need to
He will simply hire the best people for the job and be a master delegator
eBay Huckster
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gonna harp a little more on this:
if his issue among minorities was name recognition-based, you'd expect his favorability among the people in those groups who DO know of him to be substantially higher than it actually is. instead, for the most part, it's barely above water.
Note how I didn't say strong because her lead IS strong atm. When I said fundamental, I meant in that the youth are outright rejecting Hillary's platform in a way that they're actually disgusted by it and are enamored with Bernie's. I'm not convinced minorities are rejecting Bernie and going with Hillary in that way; they simply don't trust/know him.
I'm arguing passion and that's what I mean by fundamental. In other words, I expect to see a tightening in the minority vote whereas I don't expect to see a tightening in the youth vote.
Prodigal Son
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Not at all. Demilitarizing police and making cops look like communities they serve are great, non-economic solutions he brings up every time.
Nope. He's done.
There is no way on god's green Earth the DNC will ever, EVER allow Sanders to win. Yes, Hillary will defeat him soundly on her own, but, in the infitismely small chance she couldn't, the DNC will step in.
diffusionx
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which is actually the right solutions but w/e
hipsterpants
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Do you honestly think that any of that will pass congress?
If Bernie wins the presidency, he will be forced to move more to the center to accomplish anything unless the young people voting for him try to elect like minded people in congress and actually vote during midterms (which is unlikely).
Tesseract
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then they gotta get the australian boot
NihonTiger90
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Kasich's actually going to pull off 2nd place. I'll be damned.
He's in until March 15 and Ohio now.
He's in until March 15 and Ohio now.
The Technomancer
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Okay so now in order for things to happen not only does Bernie have to win but some Democrats in congress have to be replaced, by the election of their states, with more radical Democrats?
How does that happen? How does that happen before like, 2026?
Prodigal Son
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He'll almost certainly be active during midterms. No question.
silvermember
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That is neat when you ignore the fact that blacks make up 6% of the population in that state.
isn't that why superdelegates exist. To give DNC some control over who gets elected.
All I want is someone who can win and do realistic things. Bernie while nice in a functional congress isn't really going to achieve much with our current congress. Also it seems like Bernie in a way relies on people not knowing what exactly a president can and cannot do. And or they ignore the fact that democrats will never win the house.
MetalGearZed
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those some stubborn bitches
Uhh no that won't just 'happen'. It has to go through Congress, just as building a 100 billion dollar wall would require Congress.
Neither a 15 dollar minimum wage will happen, nor will the wall.
eBay Huckster
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So was Obama, yet here we are.
Good Job Bob
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So do you think is Hillary doing better because she is offering a better plan to solve or temper the issue of racial inequality in the country? If so, what are these policies of hers that are better than Sanders in that regard? Or do you think it's just a matter of Hillary being seen as the more electable candidate, and thus a safer choice for those who have a bit more to lose if a Republican gets in the WH?
I only saw him in the last debate, but he's the only one that came off remotely sane if I remember correctly. I still can't believe these are PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES. It feels like some strange reality/comedy show.
Baffling.
SoRuffShoNuff
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Bernie absolutely cannot get a single payer system pushed through congress. Nor can he make college free. He would have a tough time doing that even with democrats controlling the house and senate but you are telling me he can pass that with a republican controlled house? That isn't something you can do by executive order.
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Schattenjäger;194757182 said:
Shame they weren't educated on how to not be a bigot.
Voysa Reezun
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I guess my questions coming out of NH, assuming things hold, are these:
1. Sanders (and the party voters) have pulled Hillary leftward. If she sees herself as having very low support among youth voters, does she try to move even more to the left to get them motivated to come out for her in November, or does she punt the youth vote to some degree and stay where she is?
2. Does the establishment go back to backing Bush, keep backing Rubio, or back Kasich instead?
3. Can Trump win states with large fundamentalist Christian populations and consolidate his lead, or can Cruz push him in those states?
1. Sanders (and the party voters) have pulled Hillary leftward. If she sees herself as having very low support among youth voters, does she try to move even more to the left to get them motivated to come out for her in November, or does she punt the youth vote to some degree and stay where she is?
2. Does the establishment go back to backing Bush, keep backing Rubio, or back Kasich instead?
3. Can Trump win states with large fundamentalist Christian populations and consolidate his lead, or can Cruz push him in those states?
Prodigal Son
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Stop making sense dammit you're fucking over my idealistic fantasies.
Manmademan
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I've said this before. Bernie has been running since summer and is the ONLY other democratic candidate. The insistence that Black voters somehow don't own televisions or radios, don't use facebook, and are somehow more ignorant or ill informed than white voters who are "feeling the bern" isn't just insulting its borderline if not outright racist.
If someone tells you they know how the GOP race is going to turn out? They're wrong.
It's a trainwreck of epic proportions.
cpp_is_king
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And the top 1% are already paying close to half of all federal income tax. In any case, it's not even close to what most republicans want to do. Most want to reduce tax on the rich and do nothing for the poor and middle class. He wants to lower it for everyone. And don't forget, lowering the tax by 5% helps the poor more than it helps the rich. So the poor are still getting the better end of that deal.
The top 1% currently own about 40% of the country's wealth, and pay about 50% of the country's federal income tax. Sounds fair and like it's working as intended to me.
It sounds like you want the rich to pay more just because you're pissed off at them and you don't think people should have wealth. I mean, whatever, apparently that's a thing that real people believe, but we're just going to have to agree to disagree about it.
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