Basileus777
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Christie didn't suicide bomb, he ended up pretty much where he was before, he didn't lose anything.
The New Hampshire Primary |Feb 9|: Live Free or Die
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Christie didn't suicide bomb, he ended up pretty much where he was before, he didn't lose anything.
Triplicates
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I'm pretty sure he's citing those people who focus on labour force participation rates.
NullPointer
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Considering the field it doesn't look so crazy.
BoboBrazil
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Agreed.
Crimson_Fate
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Cruz is close with Goldman Sachs. Married to one of their ex executives.
And Goldman fund both sides of the political system and spend more than the Koch's.
cpp_is_king
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Did Trump speak already? Is there a video of it somewhere?
Dude, you tried to shit on him over something Bernie supported himself while talking up Sanders at the same time. This is silly.
SenorArdilla
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You never admit to other people that you made a mistake. All of these amateur mistakes.
DragonSworne
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Let's dispel the fiction tha Rubio doesn't know what he is doing. He knows exactly what he is doing.
You just missed the greatest speech in America.
This is the truth, the problem with Trump is that he's a complete wild card you can't trust a single thing that comes out of his mouth.
Say what you will, but she is an attractive woman. I can see the compliment he meant to make at the time.
OpinionatedCyborg
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ah Ok. I have it running in the other room and occasionally read this thread on my phone lol. shame on me for translating his craziness into something reasonable.
Does he know what he is doing wrong? Does he recognize that badmouthing Obama is going to get him nowhere?
He said New Hampshire is great and he'll make America great again and maybe greater than it's ever been, and he'll build a wall and it will be great. Oh, and China is not great. Riveting stuff.
I feel the same way about Bernie supporters lol
What needs to be fresh is the ideas and the way a campaign is done. Sanders is way more fresh than Clinton in that perspective. That's why he gets nearly all the votes from young people. If being a woman is the only thing that is "fresh" then she's clearly not.
Good job making this kind of speech while he's live on TV btw.
Voysa Reezun
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I missed this and want to respond to it because I think that it's important to dispel the notion that Bill Clinton didn't know what he was doing when he formed policy in the '90s.
I'm sorry, but what Bill Clinton did to reach out to black voters and what he actually did policy-wise are two different things, and to act like ignoring the latter to celebrate the former is at all a logical way to decide the legacy of a president is devoid of any real, critical evaluation of how good or bad the Clinton presidency was for black folks.
Impoverished black folks became MORE impoverished in the Clinton era. The general lessening of unemployment did, in fact, help some lower-class and middle-class black people, but those gains were undone by Clinton being tough on Welfare users because he accepted the Reagan-era idea that Welfare was being defrauded by LaShonda and her four kids in a Cadillac. Many jobs that black folks of low-income got in the '90s were the type of low-income, last-hired first-fired jobs that kept them trapped in a cycle of poverty. The economic gains made by black folks during the Clinton years are massively overstated and misunderstood.
I remember the '80s well enough, being in my early thirties. Your argument that the Reagan and Bush era demonization of black people was awful is true, but Clinton ENACTED ACTUAL POLICY based on that demonization that even Reagan didn't do, and Reagan might be the biggest example of a wealth-redistributing president that we've ever had.
You can talk about "tough on crime" being something that some black folks wanted, which is certainly true, but the truth is that law-and-order politics were a Nixonian invention that always hurt black people and used law enforcement to harm black folks, and Clinton carried on and codified that policy in numerous ways.
We both know that the Morrison quote is taken out of context by people, so much so that even though you are right, Morrison's intended meaning doesn't matter. There is this weird inflation of Bill's friendliness to black folks because he went on Arsenio and pretended to give a fuck about us.
I think of the Dave Chappelle joke in "For What It's Worth." He was talking about wishing that he could vote for Clinton again in 2000 because he liked that Clinton would kiss black babies when stumping for votes. It's funny, but it's also a pretty astute observation of how black folks were so desperate for positive attention from a president that they assume that he was better for them than he actually was. Studies have been done to show that black folks think they did better economically than they did in the '90s.
I don't blame black folks for this, but we need to be fucking honest so we don't get played by some gladhanding president again when he says sweet words, but knifes us in the back on policy. President Obama isn't perfect, but he actually enacted policy and supports policy that actually helps black folks in this country. I hope Hillary is more like the latter than the former.
No goalposts have been moved, so you can take that bullshit and stick it back in your pipe. Nobody is buying that nonsense rhetoric, so don't hurt yourself trying too hard.
Once again, I can assure you if you think the metrics are going to be similar between the two candidates historically, you don't understand the media, the way American politics works, or the way the public perceives certain information. It's the same reason why people on the radio felt Nixon won the debate versus why people on TV thought Kennedy won. Metrics matter. The way things look vs. sound matters. Historically, a jewish candidate vs. a woman candidate is no comparison. Both deserve to be lauded, but not both would be received equally by the media or the public. Once again, perception vs. reality = translation into actual votes.
Additionally, a Bernie presidency would not be an insanely progressive step forward. I'll ask you the same question that to date not a single Bernie supporter or Bernie himself has been able to answer: how will he pass even one piece of his absurdly progressive legislation? Go ahead, I'll wait. Please if you're going to push fairy tales about how he's going to finally mobilize Democrats to such a degree in the mid-terms that we can take back the House despite the fact that Dems won 2 million more votes last election and still lost 20 seats to Republicans, don't bother. We can save ourselves both time.
Nobody is getting progressive legislation pushed in the next presidency. No one. That's why Hillary has carefully structured her campaign around executive orders and Supreme Court nominations and things like that, and why despite preferring Bernie's policies I will be voting pragmatically for who is more likely to win in the GE. Because we're essentially voting for Supreme Court justices.
So figure out a way he can do that, and then respond. Bonus points if you can find the magical fairy tale scenario in which he can do this before the 2020 US Census.
Until you can do that, you're basically taking this risk on Bernie Sanders in order to have a "conversation" with voters which will materialize into nothing legislatively. Thus, campaign to nowhere (not that he is getting the nomination anyway, but whatever).
SolidSnakeUS
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So fucking happy that Sanders ran away with it in NH. Hope he does the same in SC and wins the nomination.
GoldenEye 007
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Not sure if it's fully like republican candidates. Given one is about making the most amount of people comfortable and happy as possible and improving lives, while the other is mostly about finding as many ways to fuck people as possible.
redmetal86
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And you! And you! And you! And you! And you! And you! YOU'RE GOING TO LOVE MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
Because his actual policies are bringing us back to the Reagan era.
TheLostBigBoss
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YOU MADE IT HAPPEN
YOU MADE IT HAPPEN
EVERYBODY MADE IT HAPPEEEEEEEEEN
YOU MADE IT HAPPEN
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NullPointer
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BoboBrazil
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Rubio only has his get rid of Obama talking point. That's pretty much all he is.
Ouch!
12% less than in 2008, doesn't mean he actually got less votes than Obama - since Clinton won NH in 2008.
Second of all 2008 was a record breaking primary season for Democrats and for good reason 8 years of Bush, a financial crush and trillions lost in Iraq. You can never understate that when comparing a Sanders/Clinton primary coming after 8 years of Obama.
Second of all 2008 was a record breaking primary season for Democrats and for good reason 8 years of Bush, a financial crush and trillions lost in Iraq. You can never understate that when comparing a Sanders/Clinton primary coming after 8 years of Obama.
davepoobond
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Kasich, at 12%, has overcome the darkness with the light. And today 12 is now greater than 34
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Hahahaha Rubio how does it feel to know it was all for nothing and all over, forever?
shoplifter
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As an Ohioan, I really think he's a genuinely good person with policies I don't personally agree with.
cpp_is_king
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Judging by the fact that people are standing around, I take it he hasn't spoken yet?
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The lighting makes Rubio look like he's going to Hulk out if he can't control himself.
Basileus777
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ratcliffja
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Well at least it's a campaign promise he could keep. There's a pretty good chance Obama will be out of office next year.
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