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[Sydle]

Is there a Windows equivalent to Xbox Feedback?

The Windows people need to get on this.

Just use the Xbox on Windows 10 section?

 

[Durante]

I don't understand why so people is angry or disappointed about this. You can play this game on your PCs. Who cares if Steam, Windows Store or whatever?

By being a MS Store exclusive, what exactly isn't possible ?

Any type of executable-level modification or injection, as well as changes to data files in some cases.

So, say goodbye to

• Performance analysis overlays.
• Graphics injectors.
• Integration of useful external applications like Mumble.
• Community fixes or feature extensions.
• In-depth modding.
• Support for popular peripherals like the Steam controller. (!)
• Some GPU features such as SLI.
• Actual exclusive full screen mode.

.

 

[fertygo]

LMAO, like I going bother then after hearing those ROTR winstore horror story

 

[Shenmue]

Isn't this expected though? I mean MS needs to build their own store on PC, why release games on rival's ecosystem?

Yes it's expected but can they at least make their store and the package in which they deliver the games even somewhat comparable to Steam?

 

[VincentMatts]

Well, if we reinterpret Microsoft bringing Xbox titles to PC as bringing titles to Xbox on PC this starts to make a lot more sense. Given all the restrictions though, I'm not sure if I'm OK with this... or am I? It's like you're playing Xbox on your PC. I can see some people throwing up in their mouths over this, but if it's only their titles is it really that big of a deal? I don't know.

This to me is exactly what they want to do. They want Xbox and windows to be seamless. So if you move from one to the other, the game is the same. So obviously the store has to be the same and the game has to be the same. They're not trying to be steam, they want Xbox to be everywhere. Console and pc. And more importantly, they want it to be seamless. That's the only explanation for this.

 

[Spirited]

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and late patches.

Well probably not later than xbox, but later than if it was on steam or any other storefront.

 

[jmga]

This is what you get when trying to run an Universal App from its exe.

"This application can only run in the context of an AppContainer."

 

[Kurt Russell]

Microsoft didn't own Alan Wake, Ryse, Dead Rising or Tomb Raider IPs, that's why they released those on Steam too, Quantum Break IP instead is owned by Microsoft, it's more than normal from them to push their store, for me PC gamers(like me) should just thanks Microsoft to release it at day one on PC, instead of complaininig about the lack of a Steam release, which would also open the game to piracy

Is this another joke post? I can't tell anymore...

 

[tuxfool]

This is what you get when trying to run an Universal App from its exe.

"This application can only run in the context of an AppContainer."

Sandbox only. Which also means things like CheatEngine won't work either.

 

[gtj1092]

Wouldn't being on steam mean even more money and thus more games for X1 owners.

 

[Raonak]

Makes sense. Putting it on steam means you're gonna have to pay Valve for their 30% cut.

 

[GHG]

Microsoft didn't own Alan Wake, Ryse, Dead Rising or Tomb Raider IPs, that's why they released those on Steam too, Quantum Break IP instead is owned by Microsoft, it's more than normal from them to push their store, for me PC gamers(like me) should just thanks Microsoft to release it at day one on PC, instead of complaininig about the lack of a Steam release, which would also open the game to piracy

Can you explain how releasing the game on steam opens it up to piracy?

No really, I'm curious to hear this.

Wouldn't being on steam mean even more money and thus more games for X1 owners.

Shhhh no. No logic allowed here. We are supposed to be supportive of every decision and misstep Microsoft makes.

 

[Vamphuntr]

Wouldn't being on steam mean even more money and thus more games for X1 owners.

Of course. But this is another attempt at trying to have their own PC storefront and they plan to force you to use it not because of it's features but by having games exclusively on it.

 

[patapuf]

Well, if we reinterpret Microsoft bringing Xbox titles to PC as bringing titles to Xbox on PC this starts to make a lot more sense. Given all the restrictions though, I'm not sure if I'm OK with this... or am I? It's like you're playing Xbox on your PC. I can see some people throwing up in their mouths over this, but if it's only their titles is it really that big of a deal? I don't know.

For me, this is a bit of an "always online DRM" situation and a matter of principle rather than whether it works for me. And i'm talking of the store as a whole. I'm not willing to give up the open nature of the PC platform. And i'll not support approaches that go in that direction.

It'll not be as important to all people obviously.

 

[Kezen]

No problem with me. I only care about the games, not the storefront.

 

[MutonCommander]

It makes sense and I understand why Microsoft is doing it. On the other hand gfwl was shit and I don't trust Microsoft to not give up in a couple of years. I have no idea what I'll do.

 

[CMojicaAce]

Disappointing, but not surprising.

Never really understood the mentality of refusing to buy a game if it isn't on steam. Sucks to not have certain features but at least you'll get to play it.

 

[Trago]

Just use the Xbox on Windows 10 section?

Oh good.

Someone should make a checklist and submit.

"Be more like Steam...or any other PC storefront."

 

[Felix Lighter]

Microsoft just refuses to accept what PC gaming is. They fight against it every time they try to leverage their position as the OS platform holder. They see what is out there, they know what is expected on the platform but someone, somewhere in that company refuses to embrace the openness even though the other successful platforms on their OS thrive with it.

 

[renegade_dewitt]

If the reviews of QD are good, I might just consider purchasing my 1st Windows Store PC game. If the scores are average to dismal, then I will wait however long I will have to for this game to come to Steam (be it 5 years from now or even 10).

 

[vasametropolis]

For me, this is a bit of an "always online DRM" situation and a matter of principle rather than whether it works for me. And i'm talking of the store as a whole. I'm not willing to give up the open nature of the PC platform. And i'll not support approaches that go in that direction.

It'll not be as important to all people obviously.

Fair.

It seems abundantly clear that Microsoft isn't getting back into PC gaming... they are getting into Xbox gaming on PC. Whether or not this makes a difference to anyone's opinion is up in the air. In this sense they aren't actually trying to be a competitor to Steam or any other store. They are positioning themselves as an add-on experience. If this is at least their initial strategy, then I have no idea what to think still. Kind of an odd way to go about it.

 

[Genio88]

Can you explain how releasing the game on steam opens it up to piracy?

No really, I'm curious to hear this.

From my knowledge apps from Windows Store can't be cracked, just like you can't use mod or such things on those, Steam instead gives you all the game files so it's easier to just copy those files and modify the .exe with a crack, especially now that looks like even Denuvo has been cracked

 

[VincentMatts]

Microsoft just refuses to accept what PC gaming is. They fight against it every time they try to leverage their position as the OS platform holder. They see what is out there, they know what is expected on the platform but someone, somewhere in that company refuses to embrace the openness even though the other successful platforms on their OS thrive with it.

Microsoft right now use Apple as an example. You can buy an app on the iPhone run it on your tablet run it on your Mac and it works everywhere. That's what they see in Xbox, they don't want the PC store to be different because that goes against everything they're trying to do. Is that the right way to go about it, probably not since PC gamers are used to more features.

 

[mcrommert]

At some point many here forgot games were about playing...rather than finding some ridiculous hill to die on.

 

[GHG]

From my knowledge apps from Windows Store can't be cracked, just like you can't use mod or such things on those, Steam instead gives you all the game files so it's easier to just copy those files and modify the .exe with a crack

And what if the game can't be cracked?

 

[IcyRhythms]

We could try being a pain in their ass on Twitter and ask if they could reconsider this move? Just a thought

 

[orochi91]

From my knowledge apps from Windows Store can't be cracked, just like you can't use mod or such things on those, Steam instead gives you all the game files so it's easier to just copy those files and modify the .exe with a crack, especially now that looks like even Denuvo has been cracked

Is this true?

I can see 3rd party publishers taking an interest in the Windows Store if it means powerful DRM.

Coupled with offering a discount on revenue cuts (less than 30%), then MS can really make the store a viable competitor to Steam.

 

[Foxyone]

Makes sense. Putting it on steam means you're gonna have to pay Valve for their 30% cut.

I bet even if they paid Valve a 60% cut they would still make more money selling on Steam, they wouldn't get all this ill-will, and they'd have a worthy PC version of the game that supports all the things Windows store games apparently don't.

 

[jmga]

Microsoft right now use Apple as an example. You can buy an app on the iPhone run it on your tablet run it on your Mac and it works everywhere. That's what they see in Xbox, they don't want the PC store to be different because that goes against everything they're trying to do. Is that the right way to go about it, probably not since PC gamers are used to more features.

You buy on Steam and you can run your games on Windows, Mac or Linux, without any of this shit.

 

[Uzzy]

Disappointing, but not surprising.

Never really understood the mentality of refusing to buy a game if it isn't on steam. Sucks to not have certain features but at least you'll get to play it.

Sure, until Microsoft drop support for the store and you can't download the games you paid for anymore.

I mean I get that there's always going to be a fair few people new to gaming who don't know what's gone before, but Microsoft have quite a history when it comes to platforms on PC. You wouldn't expect people to support Valve if they decided to shut down Steam, stop people downloading the games they paid for on Steam, and launch Steam 2.0, would you?

 

[Kurt Russell]

From my knowledge apps from Windows Store can't be cracked, just like you can't use mod or such things on those, Steam instead gives you all the game files so it's easier to just copy those files and modify the .exe with a crack, especially now that looks like even Denuvo has been cracked

Can you back up that claim? I find it really hard to believe.

 

[vasametropolis]

We could try being a pain in their ass on Twitter and ask if they could reconsider this move? Just a thought

I think the wheels are already spinning too fast. Depending on how it does they may choose to adjust, but only after the fact. I think they are experimenting. What seems strange is the choice of Quantum Break. They would probably see guaranteed success with a major Halo title (like 3).

 

[Genio88]

And what if the game can't be cracked?

Alan Wake was one of the most pirated games on PC, when you put a game you really care about also on PC you want it not to be pirated especially in the first weeks

 

[stan423321]

Is this true?

I can see 3rd party publishers taking an interest in the Windows Store if it means powerful DRM.

Honestly you can't say whether it is powerful when there's nothing of substance exclusive to it.

 

[harSon]

From my knowledge apps from Windows Store can't be cracked, just like you can't use mod or such things on those, Steam instead gives you all the game files so it's easier to just copy those files and modify the .exe with a crack, especially now that looks like even Denuvo has been cracked

If it hasn't been cracked, that probably due to the fact that there's nothing worth cracking at this point, and by extension - no interest by groups to do so

 

[mcrommert]

Sure, until Microsoft drop support for the store and you can't download the games you paid for anymore.

I mean I get that there's always going to be a fair few people new to gaming who don't know what's gone before, but Microsoft have quite a history when it comes to platforms on PC. You wouldn't expect people to support Valve if they decided to shut down Steam, stop people downloading the games they paid for on Steam, and launch Steam 2.0, would you?

Seriously? Drop support for the store that their entire operating system is based around?

It is dense to believe that GFWL and Windows Store are in any way comparable. Even if Microsoft stops making games of any type the store will continue to exist. Steam is incredibly more likely to shutdown. (not that it is)

 

[GHG]

Alan Wake was one of the most pirated games on PC, when you put a game you really care about also on PC you want it not to be pirated especially in the first weeks

Well done for not answering the question. Trump would be proud of you.

 

[Genio88]

Can you back up that claim? I find it really hard to believe.

Not really, but i guess it's like that, if someone knows that for sure i'll be interested to hear about that too

 

[orochi91]

If it hasn't been cracked, that probably due to the fact that there's nothing worth cracking at this point, and by extension - no interest by groups to do so

Lol, that a good point.

If the Store starts getting popular, it's only natural for hackers to start working on it.

 

[chadskin]

From my knowledge apps from Windows Store can't be cracked, just like you can't use mod or such things on those, Steam instead gives you all the game files so it's easier to just copy those files and modify the .exe with a crack, especially now that looks like even Denuvo has been cracked

Mac App Store apps can and are being cracked, despite being sandboxed like Windows 10 Store apps.

No one has really looked into cracking Windows 10 Store apps because it's just not been worth it yet I assume.

 

[Bits N Pieces]

Fuck it. Make it Xbox One only again MS lol

 

[VincentMatts]

You buy on Steam and you can run your games on Windows, Mac or Linux, without any of this shit.

Not on your tablet, or your phone.

 

[Nzyme32]

I don't understand why so people is angry or disappointed about this.

Read the thread

You can play this game on your PCs.

With reduced functionality and features that people have come to expect over decades of PC gaming

Who cares if Steam, Windows Store or whatever

Not many at all. People do care about injection, modification, rapid updating, streaming, using other applications with their games, using overlays and other peripherals, sli, performance tracking, SLI / Crossfire support etc etc that are usually supported by the open nature of Windows programmes. Universal Apps do not allow any of this, or force the use of a MS substitute.

That's Microsoft's game. Do you really expect to find this game on a rival company's platform?

Yes / No. MS have done it in the past with many games even as recently as last year and are still publishing some of their non-first party games on Steam this year. Some expected, or rather wanted it on Steam to use all the features they like, stick in one place or whatever. Some wanted a Win32 app rather than a Universal App with all the limitations. People have a right to be disappointed sure, but I don't see anyone saying MS can't have a store or publish on their own store as many others do, it just so happens that what they are offering is so similar to GFWL - far behind the expectations of what PC gamers want

 

[Sydle]

We could try being a pain in their ass on Twitter and ask if they could reconsider this move? Just a thought

What have we to lose?

The best outcome is that they figure out a way to put it on Steam and have their UWA on their own store. Options are good for gamers...

 

[Kurt Russell]

Not really, but i guess it's like that, if someone knows that for sure i'll be interested to hear about that too

So, your "knowledge" is a guess. I thought so.
Why even post something like that if you were just guessing? You posted it as if you had a reputable source to back up your claim...

 

[patapuf]

At some point many here forgot games were about playing...rather than finding some ridiculous hill to die on.

The PC community has always, always done more with games than just play them. And many of the biggest innovations and trends in gaming happened because of that.

 

[ViviOggi]

Fuck it. Make it Xbox One only again MS lol

lol

 

[SmokedMeat]

Did anyone really think that when they said they loved Steam, they were going to put their games on it?

 

[Durante]

Not on your tablet, or your phone.

So you'll be able to run Quantum Break on your phone? Swell!

 

[Icedburden]

I really wonder what moron makes these kinds of business decisions, more options = more money.

Calling someone a moron and not realizing that this is in the best interest of the company = ??? You know the answer.

People not wanting to open another/ app are pretty amazing. You click something twice, click once more, and then you have your game. We are incredibly lazy.