Enter the Dragon Punch
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purposefully attributing something he didn't say at all to him, nice
prove him wrong
Greenberg: Quantum Break is not coming to Steam
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purposefully attributing something he didn't say at all to him, nice
prove him wrong
It's quite a thing.
8-Bit Sunset
Banned
This post is spot on!
These should be a given in 2016!
Enforcing limitations on what people can or can't do with a product they bought is insane!
This post is proof that The Argus either did not read the thread or is simply not understanding the core problem here
Should be a bannable offense at this point.
LostDonkey
Member
It's a MS published game. It's going to be in on MS store. Just because you play it on a PC doesn't mean you are automatically entitled to use overlays and apps over a client.
I'm not saying it's right, but PC users must know by now that shit is getting locked down on most platforms. I have compatability issues with Origins overlay with certain apps running on my second screen and some with Steam. At the end of the day it's a MS product running on a MS OS through a MS store client. It is how it is.
Haunted
Member
Don't worry, that's exactly what PC gamers will do with this release.
Once again...most of those are going to be fixed or are fixabe
And the ones that aren't...most people don't care about
I'm not sure I get your argument.
Other platforms are getting progressively worse for consumers so we too should just submit?
stan423321
Member
After GFWL fail, we had a moment when they released stuff on Steam. Not AAA, but they always kept AAA stuff on Xbox anyway.
They didn't need to jump off so fast. Could've asked what was wrong with RoTR and fix it, for example.
iNvid02
Member
you need to go down this list and remove whats been proven to work then instead of just saying FUD.
e,g despite not being a major issue, i know for sure that WUAs can be launched through steam by creating a bat->exe file
i also read about an SLI profile for nvinspector being workable for rise of the tomb raider but im not 100% on that
if you want to call it FUD then you need to start proving which of these is doable with a WUA
- Performance analysis overlays.
- Graphics injectors.
- Integration of useful external applications like Mumble.
- Community fixes or feature extensions.
- In-depth modding.
- Support for popular peripherals like the Steam controller. (!)
- Some GPU features such as SLI.
- Actual exclusive full screen mode.
if you say so, but in the meantime don't dismiss it as FUD when in fact its reality
Haunted
Member
so entitled
Shut up and be a good little consumer, Durante. Stop criticising Microsoft's incredible generosity of bringing this game to the fantastic Windows© 10 store®.
We used to call this kind of behaviour BOHICA, but I think it's been a banned phrase for a while now. Maybe it's time to bring it back with this new wave of corporate apologists.
Enter the Dragon Punch
Banned
Worthless. Either they are fixed or they aren't. That they might be fixed in the future doesn't fucking matter until they are.
Some people do. Doesn't matter that others don't.
vasametropolis
Member
Well I actually never noticed the branding before, but if anyone is interested this is more evidence to show they are not bringing Quantum Break to PC, but bringing Quantum Break to Xbox on PC. If this isn't surprising don't kill me, but I think some people didn't expect this.
This is Tomb Raider:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SywQAId3j1I
Complete Xbox branding... not even Windows (which I was not aware of). This is intentional on their part. So it absolutely makes sense it is a universal app and not on Steam. We can be distasteful about it, but we now totally know what it means when they say they are bringing a game to the PC. Expectations should be dialed down for those hoping for a traditional PC game. For me, as long as the game is a solid performer and great title, I don't care so much. Whether or not this is a mistake on their part only comes down to success. If it's quality made and sells, they will win a lot of people over.
It sucks for people like Durante (the poor guy has had to re-post his complaints every page), but it seems like they are targeting it more at someone like me. Let's just be glad that Steam and others exist for 99% of other titles. Microsoft is going their own path again, albeit less offensive than last time (opinion). If only their games are delivered in this manner it might be something people will grow to accept, so long as they don't screw up anything else.
This is Tomb Raider:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SywQAId3j1I
Complete Xbox branding... not even Windows (which I was not aware of). This is intentional on their part. So it absolutely makes sense it is a universal app and not on Steam. We can be distasteful about it, but we now totally know what it means when they say they are bringing a game to the PC. Expectations should be dialed down for those hoping for a traditional PC game. For me, as long as the game is a solid performer and great title, I don't care so much. Whether or not this is a mistake on their part only comes down to success. If it's quality made and sells, they will win a lot of people over.
It sucks for people like Durante (the poor guy has had to re-post his complaints every page), but it seems like they are targeting it more at someone like me. Let's just be glad that Steam and others exist for 99% of other titles. Microsoft is going their own path again, albeit less offensive than last time (opinion). If only their games are delivered in this manner it might be something people will grow to accept, so long as they don't screw up anything else.
Retail makes less sense. You at worst have to wait another day or two to get it shipped to you, but the functionality is the same. Imagine if retail copies of console games came with their own friend list and differing features depending on where you got them from. Then it might make sense.
You haven't read anything what durante posted and still being naive and ignoring why this is bad.
People usually act the other way of their words, not many care to take a stand and vote with the wallet, I believe in terms on factual profit the game won't do great on PC but it will pave the way for this to continue, sadly
Kurt Russell
Member
It wasn't on your post before though.
The thing is, they had time to improve and they said they wanted to improve after the screwup that was GFWL. Yet we have something which is incredibly obtuse and full of issues.
PC users would pay GFLW subscriptions by now if they just accepted things how they are.
RealityCheque
Banned
Yes they are fixable, but MS is showing absolutely zero inclination to do it.
The level of flexibility that normal PC gamers want isnt asking for a lot. But Microsoft's tone deaf approach is already putting the stink of GFWL on their new store.
This post comes across as if you think it's impossible to be both.
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Yes, which is why I put "edit".
Can't wait for my PC to become a glorified console
From what I've gathered so far, there seem to be 2 primary groups of PC gamers in this thread:
1)Those that view the PC platform like a beefier console; they don't care about the "closed" aspect of the Store.
2)Those that want total control over the product via modifications and other 3rd party apps; they want PC gaming as an open platform.
1)Those that view the PC platform like a beefier console; they don't care about the "closed" aspect of the Store.
2)Those that want total control over the product via modifications and other 3rd party apps; they want PC gaming as an open platform.
vasametropolis
Member
I'm glad someone put it in a post. I hate to be a traitor but I'm more in camp 1. Microsoft is banking on this camp being a lot larger I guess. What I actually am happy about is that we DO have multiple stores so they have to compete and provide something good, whatever their personal take is.
GHG
Member
This is the thing... PC gaming has never been about "what most people care about". It's always been about freedom and options. By taking that away you are taking away what it means to game on the PC for a lot of people.
It doesn't matter if something is used by just 1 person or 1 million people, everyone should have the option to use it with their game at any point should they wish to do so.
Who are they to tell people what they can and can't use while they game?
Of course they are fixable. However with the overall strategy of MS, being confident they will be fixed is... very optimistic imo.
Nevermind their history as platform holder for games.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Is Reddit talking about this?
The best hope for change is getting people talking about it. Microsoft will listen if it hits their wallet.
The best hope for change is getting people talking about it. Microsoft will listen if it hits their wallet.
You haven't read anything what durante posted and still being naive and ignoring why this is bad.
I've been a PC gamer for several years now and the things he keeps listing have no value for me. Not everyone will feel the same about the ability to tinker with their settings.
People have seemingly not listened to the podcast thing being quoted and the thread title may not be entirely accurate, so I'll obnoxiously highlight it here
"Is the game coming to Steam?"
"So..Quantum Break on Windows 10, is a Windows Store exclusive"
There isn't really anything specifically saying that there will never be a Windows 7 version. Surely it would be easier to just say "No" to the question than give such a specific response.
1) PC is not a console it will never be a console.
2) PC is an open platform with different stores and still open to mod,to customize the game the way you want it as it was years ago but like it was pointed it out numerous times in this thread putting games behind a walled garden like the windows store without anything you can do with the game is not the way how PC gaming goes.
LostDonkey
Member
What else are you gonna do? Scream and shout and cry about it. That's not gonna get you anywhere.
I'm sure you'll find a way around it, you usually do.
It's basically the Xbox experience on PC, so of you can't do it on Xbox then bets are you can't on the "PC Xbox".
You'd think, being MS, they would understand a bit better, but there you go.
Yeah, I think this sums things up pretty well for PC gamers who are (or were) interested in the game.
Fuz
Banned
The PC enviroment becoming closed as the consoles' one is actually the absolute worst thing that can happen. And not only regarding gaming. This is the main reason why I refuse to install w10.
Kurt Russell
Member
I'm guessing that you expected people to know the contents of your edit before they even existed then.
Ugh, I'll preorder the digital X1 version to get this on PC through the W10 store for free, but I don't think I'd actually pay money for a game from the W10 store.
I did for Rise of the Tomb Raider, because I was curious of how the game would work as an "app," but I refunded it later that day and just went ahead and got the Steam version. The lack of overlays bothered me, but not being able to use stuff like nvidiainspector drove me batty. I wasn't even sure if it was using SLI, and I didn't like that I couldn't disable vsync in the game's options.
I did for Rise of the Tomb Raider, because I was curious of how the game would work as an "app," but I refunded it later that day and just went ahead and got the Steam version. The lack of overlays bothered me, but not being able to use stuff like nvidiainspector drove me batty. I wasn't even sure if it was using SLI, and I didn't like that I couldn't disable vsync in the game's options.
LostDonkey
Member
A lot of them did.
I dont understand how MS decided to 'wrap' UWA around PC games and not ensure that they allowed the same features/benefits PC gamers have enjoyed up til now (wheres the proverbial carrot? Just the game itself?). I can appreciate they wanted to ensure security so allowing them to become exceptions wasnt prudent long term but they should have worked out a way to allow them to be resolved with the tools/apps PC gamers used even if that meant additional conformity in such tools/apps - I dont think thats an unacceptable expectation.
MS has negative goodwill when it comes to PC gaming after GfWL (et al) so seems that the minimum they could do was ensure PC games on their storefront worked similarly to other storefronts within reason. Just forcing control (and only that) is really just another easy way to get gamers backs up when its far easier to get what they wanted from more pliant gamers because it looked like they had at least learnt from previous mistakes.
Nothing today is any different to when MS brought out GfWL, just more empty reassurances
ps3ud0 8|)
MS has negative goodwill when it comes to PC gaming after GfWL (et al) so seems that the minimum they could do was ensure PC games on their storefront worked similarly to other storefronts within reason. Just forcing control (and only that) is really just another easy way to get gamers backs up when its far easier to get what they wanted from more pliant gamers because it looked like they had at least learnt from previous mistakes.
Nothing today is any different to when MS brought out GfWL, just more empty reassurances
ps3ud0 8|)
Adam_Roman
Member
If that's your excuse, then why are Rise of the Tomb Raider, Ori, Fez, Ms. Splosion Man and Lococycle on Steam? Microsoft published them and they were all Xbox exclusive at one time.
It's DirectX 12 exclusive. DirectX 12 is exclusive to Windows 10.
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I'm undecided, for the most part.
Rarely do I ever mod anything, but the times I do bother with them, the payoffs tend to be worth it.
vasametropolis
Member
But there are other options right, and there always will be. That's why I'm OK with it. If it was MS's way or the high way my opinion would be very different. If they start screwing around trying to make everyone pay for Live again it's cya later. And they know that. If they try to squeeze competitors out of the market, they can piss off. But until they DO those things this time, I can not condemn them. Sure, they've done it before, but as long as they do it their own way while not being total asshats, it might be acceptable.
There is more interest in other OSs and platforms than there ever has been before... and they can actually become viable. They need to remain competitive or they will fail.
Whatever, the Windows storefront for gaming will go the way of GFWL. A few exclusives a year aren't going to mean shit against the entire PC gaming industry. If they were going to go the trap everyone in their AppStore route, they needed to start with a better client than what exists out on the market then go the draconian route slowly over time. It doesn't work in the opposite direction.
There were/are (happy) responses from people for simply not having to buy an Xbox One to play the game so I do think that point #1 was accurate. It's not true for all PC gamers though.
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Haha, no. I simply said it to admit that I should have added it to my original post when I sent it out and nothing more.
keltickennedy
Member
How did Rise of Tomb Raider get out of just being Windows Store exclusive? Because it isn't DX 12? Hopefully MS come to their senses before the game is released.
Nah, read it (not all now 16 pages tbh). What's being bitched about doesn't interest me even when I've been a PC gamer since I built my first rig with a 9700 Pro and RDRAM. But to each their own. I'm sorry you're so triggered by this, but I'm allowed to think it's stupid as all hell.