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Greenberg: Quantum Break is not coming to Steam
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Aztechnology
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My original comment wasn't directed at the OP. It's to the endless people who come into these threads and say "No Steam? No deal." Or "Windows 10 only? Fuck off.".
What are the chances we see changes to the app stores executables this year?
Looks like there will be a LOT of good Microsoft games coming to PC that I won't be buying. Microsoft is going to lose a lot of sales with decisions like this.
If these games sell poorly, they will probably just turn around and say that they tried to support PC gaming and that the interest just wasn't there.
If these games sell poorly, they will probably just turn around and say that they tried to support PC gaming and that the interest just wasn't there.
Using UWA for games.
Wants open platfarm, but only if it happens on his favourite one and not a competing one (which is what PC is all about - competition between CPU/GPU makers and stores to get cheaper games faster).
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
There just HAS to be employees and marketers in disguise in here with some of the shit I am reading. Motherfucking wow, hahaha.
Thread is delivering. Bravo!
EDIT: A better closure to this amazing drama unfolding would be this unproven game to rate in the solid 7's as a consensus.
Thread is delivering. Bravo!
EDIT: A better closure to this amazing drama unfolding would be this unproven game to rate in the solid 7's as a consensus.
Very very low.
The windows division isn't the the instant 180º division. They're the 90º division.
Did you seriously just posit universal apps on the Windows Store as "open" in any way, shape or form?
This explanation makes my head hurt less than the alternative.
Dick Justice
Banned
What are you even babbling about? Did I say anything about it only happening on one platform? Are you that much of a braindead fanboy?
Universal Windows Apps?
Well, some also thought they were going to a subscription model for Windows when they announced it would be a free upgrade for a year and would be considered as service software from that point forward. That hasn't come to pass and quite frankly appears in no way to be heading that way. That thread was fun though.
The Windows Store is simply an application marketplace in the line of what Google or Apple does. Deviousness doesnt come to mind. But to each their own.
Since the competing one (which isn't actually competing, as that's not what the word competing means) actively tries to make the PC a closed platform, it seems he is absolutely right. Universal Apps are not part of a open platform. They go against the very core of it.
texhnolyze
Banned
Because that's perfectly reasonable.
Pretty sure that it has been mentioned several times here before. Win 10 games are just 'apps' with no .exe, which means that you can't do what you usually do with usual real games, like tweaking, vsync, modding, etc.
ScientificPizza
Banned
Windows 10 is free, they aren't trying to get you to pay hundreds of dollars for a new OS.
rootbeerafloat
Member
Weird how in the span of three days I went from planning to buy an Xbone exclusive day one, to getting the PC version eventually, to losing all interest since it's W10 Store only.
Have you been following this thread?
Crayon
Member
There are a lot of juniors showing up for microsoft.
roadrunn3r
Member
The way the Windows store is built is very far from the open platform concept. So no, it's not "just another store" otherwise very few people would be complaining.
Aztechnology
Member
I'm not really sure why Microsoft is intentionally sabotaging their App store. Can someone explain to me what benefit if gives Microsoft to release their PC games in this fashion?
Is that a yes?
No, you haven't. You have a thread full of people demonstrating why. I don't see how you could have missed it.
You completely missed the issue at hand. The openness of the game is certainly not there with the Windows Store's Universal App implementation than if it were a typical Win32 programme. Functionality and features PC gamers come to expect, are essentially locked out, freedom to modify, inject, use performance features like SLI, Gsync, Freesync, record, use overlays, use whatever peripherals we want, are not possible via the Windows Store's Universal Apps.
Edit: A clearer explanation
TharpDaddy
Member
The amount of anger over using one storefront over another is crazy to me. If the difference between playing and not playing a game is which client you have to launch it through, I can't imagine that person cares about the game much in the first place. There's no situation to me where choice of storefront is more important to me than the gameplay considering 99% of my time is in the game, not in the client. Maybe i'm just weird though.
You're not weird. You just didn't read the thread, which makes this comment about standard for the jolly come lately.
Crayon
Member
Hey allow me to quote something for the 900th time just for you.
It's threatening. Yes.
roadrunn3r
Member
Ha this is getting ridiculous, every new poster in this thread has really no idea what this thread is about.
Crayon
Member
Ha this is getting ridiculous, every new poster in this thread has really no idea what this thread is about.
Everyone's getting really tired of the droning pre-baked talking points from the last 2 days. It's enough to make you crazy.
TharpDaddy
Member
I've read that, and it still comes across as strange to me. I understand wanting those things, but those are (to me) nothing that is more important to me than the game itself. I want to play Quantum Break, not Quantum Break only if I can use an FPS counter or injection. Do I wish I could use those? Yes, but the game is still the main consideration. Not agreeing with the sentiment == not reading the thread?
What is your definition competing? Because providing an alternate place for people to buy their games, seems like competition to me. And providing exclusives in your store is a competitive tactic that goes back for millennia.
Its not like Steam/Origin/Uplay are that open, its still controlled by a for-profit.
But you do understand why these things are important to PC gaming as a whole and to other PC players?
I'm not angry about it, but I won't spend my money on it. Game isn't that high on my radar. I like Remedy, but I'm not the world's biggest fan of them, I hope the game does well, but I won't support it under these conditions. It was the same situation with Rise of the Tomb Raider, I like Crystal Dynamics and wanted the game to do well and I could have bought it at launch, but I wasn't going to let their publisher dictate what platform I was going to play it on, so I didn't purchase it until it showed up where and how I wanted to play it. No anger involved, just a conscientious decision to not support a business practice that didn't benefit me.
Yea, to be honest only those last two points on Durante's list I see as important enough to reconsider buying it from the Windows Store. Unless it's a game like Fallout where you should most certainly use community fixes and mods.
But for the rest, the game comes first.
But for the rest, the game comes first.
Because it's not a alternate place for people to buy games, it's a exclusive place for people to buy new MS games. It's not even remotely the same.
Also, you forgot to address that the very concept of Universal Apps goes against open platform. Don't have a comeback for that?
Because you didn't make it clear that you don't care about these things. Others do, my PC isn't just an overpowered console.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Even someone who bleeds green through and through as a legitamate gamer, would not say half the things in here that were being said, lol.
It is like MisterMedia shit out a plethora of alts.
Like, some of the anti-consumer comments being made are truly scary, because if they are, on the payroll, they are echoing how the culture of the company still thinks.
roadrunn3r
Member
They are not completely open but still have reached an acceptable point over time where people feel comfortable tying software purchases to it. One of them has even a workshop for modding purposes. Windows Store is nothing like those.
edit: how is "profit" related to open platform discussion?
vasametropolis
Member
Well... Origin is an exclusive place for EA games. So that's not open either. Blizzard does the same thing. There's no rule that says your store on an open platform has to also be open. I think the real kicker is the whole universal app thing.
I really dont know the answer to this, but can anyone deploy their game to Steam now days? It used to have to be approved via Greenlight or Valve themselves right?
What in the hell am I reading here. I can't..I just...
The Win32 API was developed in a time when people were actually expected to have full control of their owned computing devices, and at this point, that is impossible for even Microsoft to change. These APIs are almost an open standard in practice these days.
Open computing platforms do not allow their platform holders to control their marketplace Apple- or Google-style, making money off of every product sold for them. Microsoft would very much like to make money off of every piece of software sold for Windows.
So, what to do? Apparently the answer is to introduce an entirely new, closed way of writing and distributing Windows "Apps", and try to migrate people to it. That would solve your open platform problem for new software while maintaining backwards compatibility for as long as it is required.
TharpDaddy
Member
Yes, and I would like those things too, but I can't see it from the perspective that those things trump the game itself when it comes to considering a purchase. I see it like a server browser vs. matchmaking. I would prefer both but it's not enough to decide a game for me as it has no bearing on the actual gameplay. The gameplay itself is 90% of my decision on whether or not I buy a game.