KingdomHeartsFan
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Who honestly expected it to...
Greenberg: Quantum Break is not coming to Steam
- Thread starter chadskin
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Of course they will. Businesses would love it. They would love to be forced to convert any custom company software they've written or purchased to the UWP. MS would be crazy NOT to do it.
It's not just multiplatform Xbox and PC games though is it. If MS is trying to make the Windows Store a successful platform for games on PC then, given the way it is, I won't be contributing to it. I'll be buying my PC games on Steam, and occasionally on GOG and Origin instead.
No. It is stating a position. If you eat everything they give you without question, then they'll soon realise they can get away with feeding you shit.
Hari Seldon
Member
Well at least they are dumb enough to go full moron right off the bat rather than releasing some legit steam competitor and gradually clamping down.
vasametropolis
Member
There's no way. It will be a gradual/slow replacement process if anything and I doubt they would ever have the balls to outright block Win32. People would make apps for the store based on exposure or FOMO, but probably not because they were forced. If apps replace everything over time, then maybe. But there isn't going to be a switch flip any time soon. Too many major partners. Tons of software that literally can't be sandboxed without becoming useless. And if they do it'll be so far down the line that somebody has stolen their lunch and we're all running something else.
That's a perfect example of someone who just said he can't relate to the opinions of the enthusiasts. He didn't try to tell you your opinion is invalid, just that he can't imagine what you're feeling and closed it with stating his own opinion on what this means to him.
Your opinion is valid. You should share it and I genuinely hope MS does something about it to meet your expectations, but stop shitting on other people who don't feel the same way you do.
Well they already experimented with Windows RT and it bombed hard. They're actually trying to keep Windows relevant, so I imagine the combination of outrage and people leaving in droves would get them to quickly reverse it if it ever came to pass.
You made up a future scenario to develop a particular perception of reality to instill a sense of fear. It is the exact meaning of fear mongering.
Sorry, I was being sarcastic.
The deprecation of Win32 began with windows 8. They are playing the long game with these moves. They cannot be too aggressive however, because they still have regulators to deal with.
Making universal app coding easier and cheaper is the best way to do this, assuming they can get sufficient numbers of people buying stuff off the store.
I can see a day when they do what OSX does, and we see this on windows:
But tbh, I'm ok with it because it might mean windows people who want to do things like torrent or mod or hack will move to linux.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
A few days ago we didn't even know the PC version existed and now that it does but is Windows 10 Store only on the PC you went from wanting the game to losing all interest? If you dislike W10 Store so much then why not just get the Xbone?
One question I have is why would they not support Freesync and SLI support? The rest I don't really care about other than the Steam controller (will there be no possible workaround?) not being supported .
I don't get the problem. You're obviously not afraid of this. You seem perfectly content with the situation, more of it wouldn't impact you at all.
As others have pointed out, all the way from people in this thread to Gabe Newell. This is the direction they're moving in.
Boombox On
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The Project to bring the Win32 API to the Windows Store was called "Project Centennial"
I can see a day when they do what OSX does, and we see this on windows:
But tbh, I'm ok with it because it might mean windows people who want to do things like torrent or mod or hack will move to linux.
i'm pretty sure i've already seen a dialogue like this on windows?
How about this one:
If UWA was the standard 5 years ago, people would never have played Dark Souls at anything other than 1024x720 with 30 FPS. Or seen Final Fantasy 13 at a resolution other than 720p.
These are statements of fact.
*sigh*
Please read the actual quote. Read it. He said people are just mad that they have to use a store instead of the other. He said that it was the exact same thing as any other client.
It isn't. So yes, his opinion is very much invalid. He didn't say "oh I don't relate to the opinions of the enthusiasts". Not in the slightest, so please don't make things up.
JumpCancel
Banned
Pretty sure drivers that aren't signed by Microsoft get a similar dialog.
Naw, windows still lets you run whatever you want from wherever you want without having to dive into menus with no guidance. That warning in OSX is fundamentally different in that there is no option in the box to 'run anyway'.
DOBERMAN INC
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As long as they follow EA with Origin and create a good foundation for a service I'm fine with it. They just need to consistently release games at a high standard and not half arse it like last time.
Steam has set the standard and everyone else should at least match it.
Steam has set the standard and everyone else should at least match it.
His entire opinion is "I can't imagine the store making my decision to play a game." If he actually read the thread and that's all he took away from it, yes, his opinion is less valid because he either is incapable of processing information or he's deliberately reframing what other people think.
I will shit on people acting like he did, because it's either uninformed or disingenuous, both of which are shitty opinions.
If you read the list of concerns you keep referring to and then leap to "People are just whining about having to use another store," then you are dense or dismissive. It's weird you keep referencing how opinions are all valid while defending ones that seem to willfully ignore huge aspects of the other side.
But again, I don't think that poster is any of those things, I think he just blundered into the thread and didn't read jack shit.
Everyone should have a problem with fabrications.
As for this development, I've already stated my position that what they've done with UWA is fine by me in so far as I know. I get to keep playing Steam as I always have, nothing changed, and now I can ditch my Xbox One and play those games on my PC. My gaming needs on PC seem to be more simple than what others prefer, so it shouldn't be surprising I'm not up in arms over this.
If MS were to start blocking any non UWA software I'd have a problem with it, but that's not what's going on here. I'll react to that when and if it comes to pass.
vasametropolis
Member
Durante, you have done more than most, but the argument for openness shouldn't be based around the PC community being able to fix broken shit. The shit shouldn't be broken to begin with. If they were UWAs nobody would have been able to fix them and the publishers would have gotten their asses handed to them even harder. There's no way to know what the response would have been. Everyone loves the work you did, but cleaning up their mess could equally cause them to not improve. That said, I AM super happy you were able to do something.
toastyToast
Member
None of their games will support SLI? How the hell does that work?
Outrun
Member
Yes they do.
Actually I think most people who play games on their pc's care. Even the ones that don't know it yet. But once those people notice that a feature that they really like is gone, it's already too late.
While I'm in favour of alternative storefronts from Steam, I think the problem of UWAs blocking gamers from being able to deservedly humiliate Square and From is a problem. I think there needs to be a way for Windows 10 software to be open to modification and injection.
Atraveller
Banned
You think publishers have learned making bad ports that no one could fix is bad for business, yet they are still getting released. UWA is not going to stop them.
It's probably too late then.
Being able to fix broken things is one of the many advantages of openness. Why should an argument not be made around that?
It's very simple, without that openness Dark Souls 1 would certainly have lingered at 1024x720 with a 30 FPS lock. It might well not have been nearly as huge a success, and the port of DS2 might not have been as comparatively solid in turn.
That's nice and all, but we live in a reality where sometimes publishers will not care.
In the current PC world, someone else can care instead. In an UWA world, no one can.
vasametropolis
Member
I didn't think of that, and I suppose in some ways it can be considered an asset. However, I still would not push it as a primary argument.
petethepanda
Member
That Feb 25th event is getting more and more interesting.
You mean a format where part of the core spec is a sandbox? I'm not entirely certain how they'd open out UWAs in that manner.
vasametropolis
Member
I would have been OK with Dark Souls failing as a result. They provided an inferior experience that YOU had to fix. They did not deserve any sales increase at the result of your hand. You are a tinkerer and I respect your point of view, but at some point they're going to have to put on their own pants.
Ricerocket
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UWA would be perfect for those guys then. They can't get embarassed by Durante fixing their shit because of the closed off store/platform they chose over everything else and continue to run with the excuse that they went 30fps intentionally for the gamers because they think its cinematic or whatever.
And then things wll continue as plan, release shitty ports where no one can do a thing.
My prediction is nothing of importance will happen, people will still say MS is trying to eventually block all programs that don't come from the Win10 store, people like me who will buy Killer Instinct will still be 'a part of the problem', we'll have another thread where the majority either shit on MS or defend them and a few people will shrug and buy whatever the fuck they want.
Well, not quite. On Windows 10 you can sideload UWP apps just as easily as you can install Win32 apps. You as a developer can create a UWP app, make it available for download, and then people can download and install it. No Windows Store needed.
To address the apologists the bigger problem is that Microsoft the Game publisher doesn't actually control the Windows 10 store. That particular aspect is probably the windows team, along with the UWA specification. If anybody knows anything about MS by now is that their organizational chart is essentially this:
Making the likelihood of getting fixes to the problems low or extremely late.
MS haven't been like that for years. It's funny you claim to know about MS yet post that dated image.
vasametropolis
Member
They would have been eaten alive even if he hadn't embarrassed them. Nobody is arguing he did good. I'm just saying it potentially sends a message the community is willing to fix things they shouldn't have to, and that is one downside. Being able to fix things yourself is always a good feeling and I totally get it.
We could use the same argument with Naruto that just came out - with UWA there wouldnt be an ini file to allow you to choose resolutions outside of 720p or 1080p. As far as the developer/publisher is concerned that isnt broken but acceptable delivery and we would be forced to hope that they think otherwise to fix it.
We dont have those kind of issues when it comes to standard applications but in the gaming realm a PC port has a wide tolerance of what is acceptable.
Now if there was only someone who cared enough about Naruto
EDIT: Though this concern is ancillary to my point regards treating games differently to apps under UWP
ps3ud0 8)
Louis Cyphre
Banned
Then that settles it, you don't care if it doesn't bother some people this game is exclusive to the Windows Store. At the same time you don't want others to act like there are not indeed valid concerns over this and it should be discussed. Great.
howdyjacker
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Pretty much this. They will forgo selling as many copies as possible to as many people as possible to push their own store.
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shacklesmcgee
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MS sure likes to take one step forward two steps back. I was uber excited at a PC release, but I will not be buying anything on the Win10 store, sorry Microsoft.
Not what I said. If you don't care, great. But you shouldn't be going around stating "People are upset because they have to use a different store!" when a hundred different posts have stated other reasons.
If you personally just want to play Quantum Break and don't care about Reshade or whatever, I get that, and can relate. I can't relate to deliberately misrepresenting what other people are saying.
VincentMatts
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Complain when its not on PC, complain when its released on PC...
The way PC games are right now on windows 10 isn't set in stone. Its very likely that, like the xbox one UI and its features, that it will improve and evolve over time. If there's one thing MS has been doing right recently, its listening to feedback and its customers. Win10 is still fairly new. I wouldnt be so quick to throw in the towel just cause of GFWL that was done under a different administration.
vasametropolis
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Apps actually HAVE to support at least native resolution of the display right? There are standards they have to adhere to generally. It may have actually improved the product in this case if it was...We could use the same argument with Naruto that just came out - with UWA there wouldnt be an ini file to allow you to choose resolutions outside of 720p or 1080p. As far as the developer/publisher is concerned that isnt broken but acceptable delivery and we would be forced to hope that they think otherwise to fix it.
We dont have those kind of issues when it comes to standard applications but in the gaming realm a PC port has a wide tolerance of what is acceptable.
Now if there was only someone who cared enough about Naruto
ps3ud0 8)
That would definitely be the ideal, but with non-UWA applications at-least someone can fix the game, and make it a superior end-product. Which for me as a player, is all I care about. I'm just not seeing the advantages of the way the Windows 10 store does things, to me as a consumer.
That's not surprising because there aren't any.
If you think Microsoft mandates an internal rendering resolution for "Apps" I have a bridge to sell you.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Slippery slope. And will we even get decent sales in a reasonable time frame?
Don't mess this up Microsoft.
Don't mess this up Microsoft.