Greenberg: Quantum Break is not coming to Steam

Durante said:
How about this one:

If UWA was the standard 5 years ago, people would never have played Dark Souls at anything other than 1024x720 with 30 FPS. Or seen Final Fantasy 13 at a resolution other than 720p.

These are statements of fact.
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That's not what happened though, so it's not fact. That's not reality.

In fact, I'm not quite sure what you're basing that on. In Gigantic on the Windows Store I can tinker with all the same settings I've ever seen in one of my Steam games. I set the resolution, checked Vsync, turned all textures, lighting, etc. up to the highest setting, and more.

Did you see something different in another UWA? I didn't follow the RotTR thread, so maybe that one acted differently?

BernardoOne said:
*sigh*
Please read the actual quote. Read it. He said people are just mad that they have to use a store instead of the other. He said that it was the exact same thing as any other client.

It isn't. So yes, his opinion is very much invalid. He didn't say "oh I don't relate to the opinions of the enthusiasts". Not in the slightest, so please don't make things up.
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I just read it again and he starts out by saying the assertions are crazy to him and that he can't imagine them affecting his preferences.

Maybe were not referencing the same quote? I saw this one...

The amount of anger over using one storefront over another is crazy to me. If the difference between playing and not playing a game is which client you have to launch it through, I can't imagine that person cares about the game much in the first place. There's no situation to me where choice of storefront is more important to me than the gameplay considering 99% of my time is in the game, not in the client. Maybe i'm just weird though.
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And it amounts to him not relating to the other opinions. He didn't say anything about anyone else's opinion being invalid.

It's all a matter of perspective though. Maybe you see something I don't.

Corpekata said:
His entire opinion is "I can't imagine the store making my decision to play a game." If he actually read the thread and that's all he took away from it, yes, his opinion is less valid because he either is incapable of processing information or he's deliberately reframing what other people think.

I will shit on people acting like he did, because it's either uninformed or disingenuous, both of which are shitty opinions.

If you read the list of concerns you keep referring to and then leap to "People are just whining about having to use another store," then you are dense or dismissive. It's weird you keep referencing how opinions are all valid while defending ones that seem to willfully ignore huge aspects of the other side.

But again, I don't think that poster is any of those things, I think he just blundered into the thread and didn't read jack shit.
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"I can't imagine the store making my decision to play..."

So he admitted he doesn't place a lot of emphasis on the same values presented by others. I admit I also can't relate to your feelings. I don't see how that is offensive.
 
VincentMatts said:
Complain when its not on PC, complain when its released on PC...

The way PC games are right now on windows 10 isn't set in stone. Its very likely that, like the xbox one UI and its features, that it will improve and evolve over time. If there's one thing MS has been doing right recently, its listening to feedback and its customers. Win10 is still fairly new. I wouldnt be so quick to throw in the towel just cause of GFWL that was done under a different administration.
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Nobody is throwing the towel. People are stating their positions. If nobody did that then what incentive would there be for MS to do anything other than keep doing the same shit.

There is nothing wrong with expressing skepticism based on current and past actions.
 
BernardoOne said:
Since the competing one (which isn't actually competing, as that's not what the word competing means) actively tries to make the PC a closed platform, it seems he is absolutely right. Universal Apps are not part of a open platform. They go against the very core of it.
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If you talk about the whole (which would include the store) I would partially agree, but win10 makes super easy to side load apps and these apps don't need to play by the store rules.
 
Daingurse said:
That would definitely be the ideal, but with a non-UWA applications at-least someone can fix the game, and make it a superior end-product. Which for me as a player, is all I care about. I'm just not seeing the advantages of the way the Windows 10 store does things, to me as a consumer.
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I really prefer the old system too. The app ecosystem offers at least some kind of standard. I'm not saying it's necessarily the standard we want! But standards are good. Maybe more stores should have basic QoL requirements like resolutions and variable framerate. Maybe then we wouldn't care AS much about UWA fears and Durante could take a coffee break. (He'd probably remake the game from scratch out of spite)
 
Sydle said:
That's not what happened though, so it's not fact. That's not reality.

In fact, I'm not quite sure what you're basing that on. In Gigantic on the Windows Store I can tinker with all the same settings I've ever seen in one of my Steam games. I set the resolution, checked Vsync, turned all textures, lighting, etc. up to the highest setting, and more.

Did you see something different in another UWA? I didn't follow the RotTR thread, so maybe that one acted differently?
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I think you should do some research.

The only reason Dark Souls 1 can be played at a higher resolution than 1024x720 and at a higher framerate than 30 FPS is due to possibilities which do not exist for UWA "Apps".
 
tuxfool said:
Nobody is throwing the towel. People are stating their positions. If nobody did that then what incentive would there be for MS to do anything other than keep doing the same shit.

There is nothing wrong with expressing skepticism based on current and past actions.
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No, but it also helps to notice their current actions, which have been excellent under Phil for the most-part.
 
This thread feels like reading the same two posts again and again.

"But You all Steam-fanboys".
"Nah, this is shit is inferior. Here's why."
"But You all Steam-fanboys".
"Nah, this is shit is inferior. Here's why."
 
Sydle said:
That's not what happened though, so it's not fact. That's not reality.

In fact, I'm not quite sure what you're basing that on. In Gigantic on the Windows Store I can tinker with all the same settings I've ever seen in one of my Steam games. I set the resolution, checked Vsync, turned all textures, lighting, etc. up to the highest setting, and more.

Did you see something different in another UWA? I didn't follow the RotTR thread, so maybe that one acted differently?



I just read it again and he starts out by saying the assertions are crazy to him and that he can't imagine them affecting his preferences.

Maybe were not referencing the same quote? I saw this one...



And it amounts to him not relating to the other opinions. He didn't say anything about anyone else's opinion being invalid.

It's all a matter of perspective though. Maybe you see something I don't.



"I can't imagine the store making my decision to play..."

So he admitted he doesn't place a lot of emphasis on the same values presented by others. I admit I also can't relate to your feelings. I don't see how that is offensive.
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Yeah just went into gigantic and confirmed this...no forced vsync


So Gsync shouldn't have any issues

Wonder why rise forced it
 
AHA-Lambda said:
Unsurprising but shitty

Oh well I can't say many of MS's games interest me much anyway. QB looks pretty dull imo
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If it was announced for steam:


AHA-Lambda said:
Surprising and awesome

MS's games interest me a lot. QB looks pretty anyway can't wait to play it
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Loyalty to plastic and silocon is one thing. Loyalty to digital distribution software is even worse lol.

The game is coming to PC. Who cares if it's on steam, origin, W10 or GOG? (Fuck uPlay though lol)
 
VincentMatts said:
No, but it also helps to notice their current actions, which have been excellent under Phil for the most-part.
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I definitely don't consider this decision to be be good. I'm indifferent to whatever they do on Xbox. I care about their actions regard PC.

It is definitely a DS-esque situation, where a potentially wonderful game is marred by very poor execution.
 
Corpekata said:
Not what I said. If you don't care, great. But you shouldn't be going around stating "People are upset because they have to use a different store!" when a hundred different posts have stated other reasons.
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That other person was talking about how the game matters more than the inconveniences and limitations Windows 10 Store offers. Which I can relate to. Yes these are glaring issues of not having features many use like SLI and Freesync. but they do not trump my ability to just enjoy the game. That doesn't mean I am going to tell you you're making a big fuss about nothing. This will impact people more than others so it's not a s simple as you are a PC gamer or an apologist.

You yourself have repeatedly said it matters more and this will actually impact your decision. That's fine and perfectly reasonable. What I do wonder now is are you able to not attack those that don't think this is a big issue or simply ignore them? I understand you wanting to clear the myth it isn't about the store but I'd hate this to turn into anyone forcing their opinion on anyone who thinks it's no big deal while suggesting they are a problem and berating them.
 
jaypah said:
My prediction is nothing of importance will happen, people will still say MS is trying to eventually block all programs that don't come from the Win10 store, people like me who will buy Killer Instinct will still be 'a part of the problem', we'll have another thread where the majority either shit on MS or defend them and a few people will shrug and buy whatever the fuck they want.
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So basically like the rest of life, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
 
Durante said:
I think you should do some research.

The only reason Dark Souls 1 can be played at a higher resolution than 1024x720 and at a higher framerate than 30 FPS is due to possibilities which do not exist for UWA "Apps".
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I'll take your word for it and see what I can find, but help me with one thing.

Does setting the Framerate Cap to Unlimited in the menu options not mean it will scale in FPS based on the ability of my hardware?
 
tuxfool said:
I definitely don't consider this decision to be be good. I'm indifferent to whatever they do on Xbox. I care about their actions regard PC.

It is definitely a DS-esque situation, where a potentially wonderful game is marred by very poor execution.
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Its a game that wasnt on PC for launch, now it is. Plus if its preordered digitally, people get both console and pc versions. That doesn't seem like too bad a decision.
 
Makes total and complete sense. Anyone expecting anything different were fooling themselves. Not saying this is a good thing, but come on.
 
Mivey said:
This thread feels like reading the same two posts again and again.

"But You all Steam-fanboys".
"Nah, this is shit is inferior. Here's why."
"But You all Steam-fanboys".
"Nah, this is shit is inferior. Here's why."
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How about Origin, uPlay, and GOG fanboys? :P

But seriously, I can't believe people are comparing WinStore to Origin/uPlay.
 
Quonny said:
Makes total and complete sense. Anyone expecting anything different were fooling themselves. Not saying this is a good thing, but come on.
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Some are perfectly happy to take it without question.

As I said earlier if you eat whatever you're given without complaint, you're going to get fed shit.

As I see it, this smells bad to me, so I won't eat it. I'll remark that it smells bad and then hopefully MS will make a version that smells better.
 
10k said:
If it was announced for steam:




Loyalty to plastic and silocon is one thing. Loyalty to digital distribution software is even worse lol.

The game is coming to PC. Who cares if it's on steam, origin, W10 or GOG? (Fuck uPlay though lol)
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I care. Ever heard of GFWL ? Did you read what Durante said ? Did you ever tried a game from the Windows store ???
Game management is lackluster at best.
There's no interface for gamepad.
No mods, injectors, 3rd party programs support.
Your game basically becomes a smartphone app.

Also, the only place to buy W10 games... Is the W10 store.
As for GFWL... it died. And you cant dl your games anymore if you bought them on their GFWL store.

So... When you say about loyalty, please allow md to laugh.
 
tuxfool said:
Some are perfectly happy to take it without question.

As I said earlier if you eat whatever you're given without complaint, you're going to get fed shit.

As I see it, this smells bad to me, so I won't eat it. I'll remark that it smells bad and then hopefully MS will make a version that smells better.
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I hear ya, but your description is like one step away from saying anyone who decides the trade-off is worth it to them are "sheeple". That and whatever the stick comment earlier was about. Do as you please with your money but don't shit on other gamers who just want to play a game. Especially since it wasn't "without question". I weighed the pros and cons and decided I wanted KI.
 
Quonny said:
Makes total and complete sense. Anyone expecting anything different were fooling themselves. Not saying this is a good thing, but come on.
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Fine but they keep spouting bullshit like this:

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They’ve a lot of bad blood to undo, Games for Windows Live left a bad taste in a lot of mouths, but it’s only to our gain if they manage it.
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He also acknowledged that the Windows 8 App Store could not be referred to as a success and that in Windows, they are looking to completely rework it.
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Biggest understatement of the year right there!


And it is clear they have learned nothing!
 
texhnolyze said:
How about Origin, uPlay, and GOG fanboys? :P

But seriously, I can't believe people are comparing WinStore to Origin/uPlay.
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Yeah, if the Windows 10 Store had parity with either Origin or Uplay then there would be a lot less complaining. I've really never cared about what storefront I get my games on, just have never given a shit. But I have also never been restricted with my PC games in the way Windows 10 store does. I can justify buying Quantum Break, I personally just need it to be better than the X1 version, because I thought this game was going to make me cave and buy a X1. I can weigh the trade-offs and deal with it, but it makes a lot of sense to me why someone wouldn't want to support this. Waaaaaay more than not supporting a game exclusive to Origin or Uplay. The way these UWA apps work, runs counter to the advantages of the PC platform.

GhostTrick said:
There's no exclusive games to Uplay. As much shit as Uplay gets, at least its a true competition to Steam because it acts like a true store: Price competition and nothing else.
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Oh yeah, you can buy them on other stores but they still gotta launch through the Uplay client right? Think that's what bugged people.
 
Daingurse said:
Yeah, if the Windows 10 Store had parity with either Origin or Uplay then there would be a lot less complaining. I've really never cared about what storefront I get my games on, just have never given a shit. But I have also never been restricted with my PC games in the way Windows 10 store does. I can justify buying Quantum Break, I personally just need it to be better than the X1 version, because I thought this game was going to make me cave and buy a X1. I can weigh the trade-offs, but it makes a lot of sense to me why someone couldn't support this. Way more than not supporting a game exclusive to Origin or Uplay. The way these UWA apps work, runs counter to the advantages of the PC platform.
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There's no exclusive games to Uplay. As much shit as Uplay gets, at least its a true competition to Steam because it acts like a true store: Price competition and nothing else.
 
10k said:
If it was announced for steam:




Loyalty to plastic and silocon is one thing. Loyalty to digital distribution software is even worse lol.

The game is coming to PC. Who cares if it's on steam, origin, W10 or GOG? (Fuck uPlay though lol)
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It would one thing if he was talking about Steam and Origin where the game would behave exactly the same and not take away any features you can expect from a PC game.

But that isn't the case here, you lose a lot of features by getting a game via the Windows store compared to Steam/Origin/Uplay.

Me and plenty of others wouldn't have cared if this was a uplay exclusive game because while having the extra client is a bit more inconvenient than having everything on Steam, it would still allow you to do everything a lot of people have come to expect from a PC game.

It is simply not comparable. And you yourself say fuck uplay, when that client actually isn't very bad at all (not saying its great though). You say one thing and then the complete opposite right after that, so you are no different than people who don't want to buy something from the Windows store because you don't like uplay for some reason.
 
Microsoft could sell the game on their store and provide a steam key alongside it, if they really wanted to. AFAIK Valve allows this even though they see none of the revenue.
 
Daingurse said:
I've really never cared about what storefront I get my games on, just have never given a shit.
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You really don't mind having the inconveniences of your bank details and address info spread around multiple stores? Multiple launchers for different games, and being unable to mod the files. Not to mention friends who refuse to transfer over to another storefront making multiplayer a pain in the ass.
 
Sydle said:
Okay, but if they're allowing you to set a framerate cap to reduce fluctuations it suggests to me, at least, that they'll have games that scale in FPS. I'll do my homework though and see if I learn anything new.

Thanks.
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There is nothing in the Windows apps that stop you from having options and shit. That's not what he is getting at.

He is saying that if Dark Souls had been released exclusive to the Windows store in the same state as the game launched on Steam, he simply couldn't have fixed it and it would have stayed locked to 30fps and sub-720p or whatever it was.
 
SPDIF said:
You only have to explicitly enable sideloading for UWP apps. Regular Win32 apps will still run without restriction. Other than the standard "This file may harm your computer" thing.
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I just mean hiding settings which means 95% of people will never do that.
 
8-Bit Sunset said:
You really don't mind having your bank details and address info spread around multiple stores? Multiple launchers for different games, and being unable to mod the files. Not to mention friends who refuse to transfer over to another storefront making multiplayer a pain in the ass.
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I don't really like the aspect of being tied down to one store, and I don't save my credit info on any of them either. Different clients and launchers have never bothered me. I just click desktop icons for everything. Not much of a a social gamer anymore either. Pretty much exclusively solo, so the friends aspect has been irrelevant to me. Also, I've played moddable games on Uplay and Origin. Hell, could even mod SF4 when it was still on that Windows Live shit. So I've never run into that issue, think that's a choice by the developers on a game per game basis.
 
8-Bit Sunset said:
You really don't mind having the inconveniences of your bank details and address info spread around multiple stores? Multiple launchers for different games, and being unable to mod the files. Not to mention friends who refuse to transfer over to another storefront making multiplayer a pain in the ass.
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What's the inconvenience? Pretty sure you don't have to store your details on any of the stores, I don't for Steam and Origin.
 
That's fine, I get it they have to promote their own store and their own business, similar to EA and Origin. But I still don't buy from Origin and I sure as hell won't buy from the Windows Store which isn't even in the same league as Origin, nevermind Steam.

Only thing I bought from Origin is Battlefield 3 and 4 and only because it was to play with a group of friends. If it wasn't for Battlefield I wouldn't be even using Origin. (This is moreso a personally beef of mine with EA than anything.)

Not to mention the various restrictions on Windows 10 Apps, such as Rise of the Tomb Raider, which is severely limits graphical options, injections, etc.

Then we have the shit show that was GFWL that closed down and you can't even download/play your old games you bought through that service. Who is to say that won't happen again? Fuck that. I am not taking that risk. Maybe when it hits $5 or something.

EDIT: Posting this for myself for easier reference in the future if needed: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=195147494&postcount=656
 
10k said:
If it was announced for steam:




Loyalty to plastic and silocon is one thing. Loyalty to digital distribution software is even worse lol.

The game is coming to PC. Who cares if it's on steam, origin, W10 or GOG? (Fuck uPlay though lol)
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roofles.
 
GhostTrick said:
I care. Ever heard of GFWL ? Did you read what Durante said ? Did you ever tried a game from the Windows store ???
Game management is lackluster at best.
There's no interface for gamepad.
No mods, injectors, 3rd party programs support.
Your game basically becomes a smartphone app.

Also, the only place to buy W10 games... Is the W10 store.
As for GFWL... it died. And you cant dl your games anymore if you bought them on their GFWL store.

So... When you say about loyalty, please allow md to laugh.
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People are posting good reasons besides "It's another storefront I don't want to use"...but after the shitstorm from a couple of days ago that's honestly a good enough reason on it's own. I've only had one corporation lock me out of my digital purchases by closing down their store, and that same company has done that shit twice. Not accepting their "We're totally serious about PC gaming this time. Totally" spiel has nothing to do with being a fanboy or whatever the fuck people are trotting out in this topic.
 
I appreciate them opening up their games on the PC platform and allowing cross-buy, good start to creating their ecosystem. However, they have a lot to learn in making the windows store a viable option for people to buy games from there.

At this point, with the current implementation of the Windows Store front for a gaming platform, they are better off releasing on Steam and have to link an Xbox account to play the game like Ubisoft does with uPlay.

I'm not against them trying to make their store/platform more attractive, but boy do they have an uphill battle.
 
Dick Justice said:
Yup. Some people are just dumb as fuck.
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Part of the problem lies in steam being offered as the solution when it's not. It's just one of many. Hell, GOG would have been far superior to both.

The W10 store looks like it could open up crosscut with Xbox which is great, but the game is sandboxed which sucks. So I think my problem lies less with the store itself I suppose and more with how games on it have to be sandboxed.
 
diaspora said:
Part of the problem lies in steam being offered as the solution when it's not. It's just one of many. Hell, GOG would have been far superior to both.
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The main reason is that this thread is the wrong place to complain about it. It needs another topic solely about why and how the W10 is currently inadaquate for high-end games and the demographics that buy them.
 
Xyber said:
There is nothing in the Windows apps that stop you from having options and shit. That's not what he is getting at.

He is saying that if Dark Souls had been released exclusive to the Windows store in the same state as the game launched on Steam, he simply couldn't have fixed it and it would have stayed locked to 30fps and sub-720p or whatever it was.
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I think I understand that now, thanks.

Weren't those games updated though to allow more custom options? I'm fairly certain that his example of FFXIII on Steam was patched to support custom rendering beyond 720p. Seems like Apps could be updated too, but I get that there could be cases were there are no updates and also no way to improve it on your own. That is a concern, but still feels like one of those things that could be remedied ultimately.

For now it makes sense why he, and others who share his concerns, would want to sit UWA out for now.

OnionPowder said:
In Dark Souls there is no option in the game to change the rendering resolution. The only way to force a higher resolution is through a mod which is not possible in a windows store game
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Got it. I've never played a PC game that didn't have options for the rendering resolution, so that's new to me. Thanks.
 
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