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[Pacotez]

It's funny that you think Steam is interested in that.

But I don't?

 

[tuxfool]

This is insane conspiracy drivel. Windows will never be a closed system. Never. How can you believe this?.

It is easy to believe based on all their actions. They're desperate to turn their application ecosystem Apple-like, for those Apple big bucks.

 

[eksy]

That Feb 25th event is getting more and more interesting.

Quite ominous now isn't it.

There just HAS to be employees and marketers in disguise in here with some of the shit I am reading. Motherfucking wow, hahaha.

Ya sometimes I wonder about this place... we got people here (not this thread) pushing for all-digital for consoles like it's an inevitability that should be accepted; as if a mixed structure -- as we have now (physical + digital) is not acceptable. There is some real corporate presence here.

EDIT: A better closure to this amazing drama unfolding would be this unproven game to rate in the solid 7's as a consensus.

Get ready to grab your popcorn -- I'm looking forward to Digital Foundry's analysis of the PC version. If it's poorly optimized, and/or has tons of other problems ... man oh man.

 

[GhostTrick]

It's funny that you think Steam is interested in that.

Its the case, de facto.
You can still do so even for games removed from the service.

 

[Gemüsepizza]

How can we believe this ? UWA.

What the hell are you talking about? What has this to do with turning Windows in a closed system? How does this prevent other companies to have their own stores on Windows? How does this prevent people from selling/releasing their own apps for Windows via totally different ways? What are you even talking about?? Jesus Christ. Windows will NOT turn into a closed system.

 

[Apathy]

Could this extend to indie games as well? A game like Cuphead only released on Windows?

No, it's going to release on the Xbox and steam iirc

 

[family_guy]

They dont exist because MS stopped providing downloads. As for Steam, its not going anywhere for now. And it still allows you to download games not sold on the store anymore. Which isnt granted for W10 store.

Who knows what will happen though? There's alot of fear around what might happen. Just enjoy the game. If you can't play it 5 years from now oh well. That's digital distribution for you.

 

[Nocturno999]

Microsoft should rectify and make it crossbuy with Steam.

I don't care if I have to launch the Windows app. The problem is the list posted many times. Specially incompatibility with peripherals and no way to modify fix them.

I don't have faith that MS will store my purchased content for a long time after their GFWL failure.

Another issue is that a MP community will not last a week if they confine a game under their store. See Titanfall and SW:BF with Origin.

 

[GhostTrick]

Who knows what will happen though? There's alot of fear around what might happen. Just enjoy the game. If you can't play it 5 years from now oh well. That's digital distribution for you.

No, that's Microsoft digital distribution. But "Oh well" its okay.
Sure, who knows what will happen. Just unjustified fears.

 

[mneuro]

It seems like some people here might not be old enough to have bought games on GFWL...

 

[flaxknuckles]

Who knows what will happen though? There's alot of fear around what might happen. Just enjoy the game. If you can't play it 5 years from now oh well. That's digital distribution for you.

Oh well my ass. No one actually has to accept that happening.

 

[gafneo]

Your arguments are turning into a pile of nonsense right now. Did Microsoft closed shop ? No, they just announced a new service and you're telling me about changing names. Come on, you cant be serious.





I guess lots of players doesnt feel entitled to get guaranteed they wont lost their games.
And to be fair, considering how low the W10 Store sales will be, I dont think there's much of a main target audience.

So then Valve could become a conglomerit with this experimental food service they've invested in. The games could get cut off in replace of something else without them changing their company name. Nintendo wasn't always video games. MTV wasn't always reality TV.

 

[texhnolyze]

Who knows what will happen though? There's alot of fear around what might happen. Just enjoy the game. If you can't play it 5 years from now oh well. That's digital distribution for you.

That's it? 'Oh well'?

 

[tuxfool]

Who knows what will happen though? There's alot of fear around what might happen. Just enjoy the game. If you can't play it 5 years from now oh well. That's digital distribution for you.

No, that is the microsoft way, the console way. Meanwhile I'm stuck with my 11 year old steam account.

 

[Pacotez]

Its the case, de facto.
You can still do so even for games removed from the service.

Yeah but it isn't the whole service going down like GFWL.
But then again, Steam isn't going anywhere (maybe won't ever) while MS might do the same thing again anytime.

 

[Krakn3Dfx]

People who say to give the Windows Store a chance with a comparison to Steam or Origin seem to forget that this is Microsoft's second rodeo, with the first one being a unmitigated disaster.

I won't buy Quantum Break on the Windows Store, but I think it's biggest problem will be that most gamers won't know that it's even in a digital store that most people only load up to update Candy Crush.

In the meantime, pour one out for the PC version since it looks like it's being sacrificed on the altar to try and get the Windows Store some traction, even given its restrictive nature when it comes to what PC gamers expect from a digital platform.

Good luck to Remedy. They deserve better.

 

[GhostTrick]

So then Valve could become a conglomerit with this experimental food service they've invested in. The games could get cut off in replace of something else without them changing their company name. Nintendo wasn't always video games. MTV wasn't always reality TV.

You keep on digging, aren't you ? I'm telling you about how Valve keeps providing downloads to games removed from their service while Microsoft shut one of their service to reopen one and killed all your downloads. And your answer is Valve changing domain name or turning into a food company ?

 

[Kssio_Aug]

You're right, that's actually worse than GFWL, since at least GFWL didnt turned your games into smartphone apps.

You said it isnt good if PC became a Valve console, Microsoft wants to turn it into a Microsoft tablet.
The beauty of PC isnt fragmentation all over the place and unreliable services.

GFWL wasnt one case. It was THE case. Its the exact SAME publisher saying "we screwed up, but we're back" while at the same time, cutting the possibility to redownload your games.

When Steam is the only way to redownload your GFWL Microsoft games, it pretty much tells how Microsoft fucked up.

If you bought Fable 3 on Steam, you can still download it and play it despite being a GFWL game. If you bought it on the GFWL store... You cant anymore.

You can buy a game on Steam because the service still exists. If something happens in the future and Valve feels obliged to close it, kiss your huge library goodbye.

And MS is not trying to turn a PC with Windows 10 into a Microsoft tablet. They're not trying to shut the doors of their main and popular operational system against different companies; they know they have to keep it open so their users can download Steam, Origin and whatever they want.

What they're trying to do is simply putting their resources in their system. They will fully invest in Windows 10 and their digital store, other than just waste the opportunity and invest on their concurrent. At least some games they will want to keep exclusively to them, at least temporarily, so they can encourage more consumers to use their store, and I can't see anything wrong about that.

 

[RoKKeR]

Seems like a really poor call. If they are going to support the PC platform more with exclusives going forward, they need to support the storefront that has built the platform into what it is today.

Hopefully they flip on this.

 

[vasametropolis]

I've been in this thread the whole way. Besides the legitimate concerns about UWAs, are people actually thinking they're going to lose their Windows store purchases in the future? It's the Windows store! This is not GFWL 2.0. Who kills the primary store on their OS? If that happens there are bigger problems than the store. Microsoft will be in the toilet altogether and Windows will be dead. They'll be adding HoloLens apps in the future most likely and a whole bunch of shit we don't even know about. It's staying.

 

[8-Bit Sunset]

That's it? 'Oh well'?

 

[SPDIF]

Windows will never be a closed system? That is exactly what Windows 8 was going to be before release. It is the entire reason Valve started making SteamOS.

Let's not start making things up now.

 

[gafneo]

You keep on digging, aren't you ? I'm telling you about how Valve keeps providing downloads to games removed from their service while Microsoft shut one of their service to reopen one and killed all your downloads. And your answer is Valve changing domain name or turning into a food company ?

How is Valve going to keep those servers forever for us to redownload if oneday they go down a different path?

 

[mneuro]

You can buy a game on Steam because the service still exists. If something happens in the future and Valve feels obliged to close it, kiss your huge library goodbye.

And MS is not trying to turn a PC with Windows 10 into a Microsoft tablet. They're not trying to shut the doors of their main and popular operational system against different companies; they know they have to keep it open so their users can download Steam, Origin and whatever they want.

What they're trying to do is simply putting their resources in their system. They will fully invest in Windows 10 and their digital store, other than just waste the opportunity and invest on their concurrent. At least some games they will want to keep exclusively to them, at least temporarily, so they can encourage more consumers to use their store, and I can't see anything wrong about that.

Before windows 8 was released developers were originally only allowed to release Windows 8 applications via the windows store and in the Metro App format. The only application that had access to the traditional desktop of Windows 8 was Office and Internet Explorer. This ONLY got changed because valve came out and spoke against it and it gained a lot of bad press from other people as well. It was the EXACT intention to close the doors to everything except the windows store.

 

[koutoru]

What? I am talking about Microsoft games on the Windows Store. Because that is what this is about. Microsoft wants to sell their games on the Windows Store.

Windows store sells you a closed sand-boxed application. It's because of Durante and other modders "fixes" that some of the games on steam are even as popular as they are now.

You can't add anything from a third party software or any modding or add any sort of overlay to the application, these are things that the community can usually add themselves to improve their experience with the game, but can't with a universal app.


EDIT:Honestly if Microsoft wants to be that way with their own games on PC, then that's fine. It's when deals are made to other publishers to make their games exclusive to Windows store is when i'll have problems with it.

 

[GhostTrick]

Are people actually thinking they're going to lose their Windows store purchases in the future? It's the Windows store! This is not GFWL 2.0. Who kills the primary store on their OS? If that happens there are bigger problems than the store. Microsoft will be in the toilet altogether.

Who kills the primary store on their OS ? The same company who killed their primary instant messagery system on their OS. Their primary game store on their OS.
What if MS thinks in 3 years that UWA was a mistake and put that away from Windows ? Heck, what if they remove a game from their store, can we still download it ?

 

[AHindD]

How is Valve going to keep those servers forever for us to redownload if oneday they go down a different path?

Wait. Valve will start selling dog food?

 

[kenjigreat]

Out of pure curiosity , the people that want it released on Steam , do any of you run SteamOS as your primary OS for PC?

I mean if you really really wanted to stick it to Microsoft . Don't use windows.

 

[8-Bit Sunset]

Out of pure curiosity , the people that want it released on Steam , do any of you run SteamOS as your primary OS for PC?

I mean if you really really wanted to stick it to Microsoft . Don't use windows.

Please grow up!

 

[Kssio_Aug]

Before windows 8 was released developers were originally only allowed to release Windows 8 applications via the windows store and in the Metro App format. The only application that had access to the traditional desktop of Windows 8 was Office and Internet Explorer. This ONLY got changed because valve came out and spoke against it and it gained a lot of bad press from other people as well. It was the EXACT intention to close the doors to everything except the windows store.

You mean as Windows RT?

They can try to turn Windows 10 in Windows RT 2.0, but then, the only options that can happen are: 1) they will lose pretty much all their market, or 2) they will go back again and continue allowing it to be open as it is.

 

[mneuro]

Out of pure curiosity , the people that want it released on Steam , do any of you run SteamOS as your primary OS for PC?

I mean if you really really wanted to stick it to Microsoft . Don't use windows.

I run Linux on my main gaming machine. I also have a steam machine. This is irrelevant to wanting users to have choice when buying their software.

 

[vasametropolis]

Who kills the primary store on their OS ? The same company who killed their primary instant messagery system on their OS. Their primary game store on their OS.
What if MS thinks in 3 years that UWA was a mistake and put that away from Windows ? Heck, what if they remove a game from their store, can we still download it ?

The store isn't going anywhere. They sell movies, music, apps and the store is going to be combined with the Xbox store. It's never leaving unless they're in the bloody tank. Quote me. GFWL was unfortunate, but niche as shit. MSN Messenger got replaced by Skype. It happens. Google makes two of everything and kills stuff people love.

 

[b0uncyfr0]

Nor purchasing until Overlays and injinjectors actually work with Windows store.

 

[Nocturno999]

How is Valve going to keep those servers forever for us to redownload if oneday they go down a different path?

Well my Steam purchases have been kept safe for 11 years. That's quite a record compared to GFWL.

It's not some irrational store fanboyism like some people assume.

 

[GhostTrick]

How is Valve going to keep those servers forever for us to redownload if oneday they go down a different path?

Did Microsoft go down a different path ? They still make OS. Games. They still use the LIVE service. Yet, they killed the servers.
If you want to keep making narratives in which Valve sell food, sextoys or twinkies, that's your call.

 

[mneuro]

The store isn't going anywhere. They sell movies, music, apps and the store is going to be combined with the Xbox store. It's never leaving unless they're in the bloody tank. Quote me.

I remember Zune wasn't going anywhere either. they sold movies and music on there as well.

 

[Htown]

Are people actually thinking they're going to lose their Windows store purchases in the future? It's the Windows store! This is not GFWL 2.0. Who kills the primary store on their OS? If that happens there are bigger problems than the store. Microsoft will be in the toilet altogether.

So Microsoft picks and chooses which purchases they honor depending on how important they think the given storefront is?

What happens when they launch Windows XI or whatever, and they have a different way of going about things again? What if they move from that app type of stuff and decide games need their own Steam/Origin/Uplay type of client again? Microsoft isn't exactly known for their consistency on these kinds of things.

 

[Soyongdori]

I'm still sour about Games for Windows Live 7 years ago. I don't fully trust Microsoft when it comes to their devotion to PC games and client they use in a long term.

 

[Woo-Fu]

Microsoft is pretty good at finding great ways to sabotage what might otherwise be excellent games. Remember when they sent Shadowrun out to die?

I understand wanting to promote certain initiatives, I just don't understand why they think these games have enough draw to make a difference to the platforms they're trying to push(Vista in Shadowrun's case, Windows Store in this case.)

 

[Backlogger]

Out of pure curiosity , the people that want it released on Steam , do any of you run SteamOS as your primary OS for PC?

I mean if you really really wanted to stick it to Microsoft . Don't use windows.

PCs are about choice. Choice of OS, choice of which programs you want to use or not use.

They should sell it on W10 store. And Steam, and Origin, and GOG, etc.

Let us choose where we want to buy it. The 30% cut? Who cares! That is the cost of doing business and giving your customers real choice.

I can buy Levis at a Levis store, or at a bunch of other stores. So what? Let the consumer find the best deal and decide where they want to buy it.

Forcing 1 store for digital purchases on PC is not what most PC gamers want.

 

[GhostTrick]

The store isn't going anywhere. They sell movies, music, apps and the store is going to be combined with the Xbox store. It's never leaving unless they're in the bloody tank. Quote me. GFWL was unfortunate, but niche as shit. MSN Messenger got replaced by Skype. It happens. Google makes two of everything and kills stuff people love.

Read my whole post. Its not only about killing the store. Just a change in policy or a game removed.
GFWL was unfortunate ? How is that ? They're just relaunching it.

 

[tuxfool]

I remember Zune wasn't going anywhere either. they sold movies and music on there as well.

PlaysForSure™

 

[SPDIF]

Before windows 8 was released developers were originally only allowed to release Windows 8 applications via the windows store and in the Metro App format. The only application that had access to the traditional desktop of Windows 8 was Office and Internet Explorer. This ONLY got changed because valve came out and spoke against it and it gained a lot of bad press from other people as well. It was the EXACT intention to close the doors to everything except the windows store.

Sorry, but you're completely wrong.

 

[gafneo]

Wait. Valve will start selling dog food?

The president is doing something with food supposedly. Who knows what kind of gambling escapades this man is capable of. http://www.pcgamer.com/gabe-newell-invests-in-experimental-cooking-company/

 

[Kssio_Aug]

PCs are about choice. Choice of OS, choice of which programs you want to use or not use.

They should sell it on W10 store. And Steam, and Origin, and GOG, etc.

Let us choose where we want to buy it. The 30% cut? Who cares! That is the cost of doing business and giving your customers real choice.

I can buy Levis at a Levis store, or at a bunch of other stores. So what? Let the consumer find the best deal and decide where they want to buy it.

Forcing 1 store for digital purchases on PC is not what most PC gamers want.

You're right, PC is about choices. You can choose to buy all your games on Steam, and MS can choose to not sell it on Steam. You can choose not to buy a MS game.

 

[gafneo]

Did Microsoft go down a different path ? They still make OS. Games. They still use the LIVE service. Yet, they killed the servers.
If you want to keep making narratives in which Valve sell food, sextoys or twinkies, that's your call.

So you are saying Valve doesn't even have to go down a different path to kill services either. They could say, whoops Steam aint compatible with new Windows update, guess we go make Steam Os the only way.

 

[vasametropolis]

Read my whole post. Its not only about killing the store. Just a change in policy or a game removed.
GFWL was unfortunate ? How is that ? They're just relaunching it.

Windows 8 sucked, then they relaunched it as 8.1 and now 10. Lot's of people love 10, myself included. GFWL tried to make you pay for online and was a dreadful POS to use. I'm not saying MS are a bunch of saints, but I can't be the only one not throwing them under the bus immediately after this announcement. Their new leadership is far better than it was in the Ballmer days.

 

[Htown]

GFWL was unfortunate, but niche as shit.

This is ridiculous revisionist history. GFWL was a big enough push that publishers putting games on PC used GFWL in their games long after Microsoft had given up.

 

[UnrealEck]

Complain when its not on PC, complain when its released on PC...

The way PC games are right now on windows 10 isn't set in stone. Its very likely that, like the xbox one UI and its features, that it will improve and evolve over time. If there's one thing MS has been doing right recently, its listening to feedback and its customers. Win10 is still fairly new. I wouldnt be so quick to throw in the towel just cause of GFWL that was done under a different administration.

I'm not complaining it's released on PC. I'm complaining that it's being released only on Windows Store.
They had their chance years ago and they fucked it up big time and ignored people, then flat out just abandoned them and moved on with their Xbox console platform. Valve built on their Steam platform and budged Microsoft right out of that market and now they're trying to scratch their way back up.
And that's another thing. Xbox. They're trying to call PC gaming 'Xbox' now and it's another desperate attempt by Microsoft to cling to calling their games exclusive to Xbox. I saw them doing it with games they were showing off before (E3 I think).

Maybe they will improve their Store. Maybe it will be better than GFWL. Maybe it'll actually be decent or good. But I'm not going to trust them.

Speaking of MS, they've already been pissing me off lately with Windows registration keys after I upgraded my hardware. I guess they're not on my good side atm.

 

[Poster#1]

Though it should be about selling games, not stores. I won't ever buy a game on W10 store unless its some kind of cross buy promotion or super low price.

They should just put the game on all PC stores. Let gamers choose where they want to buy their games.

Seems like their way is still lost with PC gaming with pushing W10 store on us. No thanks.

I want valve to give me the choice to play CSGO and Dota 2 on Origin or GOG. Ugh give me options!