holygeesus
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I'm not saying it's right but that is how it works. They check your hardware before letting you buy so I guess you do indeed have to buy directly from the system you game on.
Greenberg: Quantum Break is not coming to Steam
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I'm not saying it's right but that is how it works. They check your hardware before letting you buy so I guess you do indeed have to buy directly from the system you game on.
TheMonkeyBongo
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GHG
Member
Meh. I'll stick to my "ancient" W7 for as long as possible thank you very much. At least I know that all the software and games I need to use works perfectly on there. And in the rare cases that it doesn't then there are always well documented workarounds available.
You don't need to move to the "latest and greatest" just because Microsoft tells you to you know.
Funnily enough I would have upgraded for QB if it was on an alternative storefront but with the current state of Microsofts store front that won't be happening for a long time.
mneuro
Member
Unless you are a user who cares about your privacy. Then he is wrong. But that's what linux is for.
So true.
GHG
Member
Go on, please enlighten us resident Microsoft guru.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
A peach, i can eat a peach for hours.
Time for intermission.https://youtu.be/S73swRzxs8Y
Time for intermission.https://youtu.be/S73swRzxs8Y
Yeah, everybody should be on an os that controls the user instead of the opposite.
CrankyKong
Member
windows 10 is nice but my 980 ti audio driver doesn't play well with it and causes blue screens.
its hardly perfect.
its hardly perfect.
comshoplesce
Member
didn't they learn anything from GWL fiasco?
Off course not it's microsoft they never learn a darn thing.
LukasTaves
Member
Being a click way from install and play just one piece of the puzzle, there are others which already are possible on the store or there will be in a very short future.
For instance, Ms just announced a new partnership with all cpu vendors to support only win10 and not older versions, so they can deploy new power modes. It's very clear to me that they will bring connect standby to Pc and then the store will auto update your games even when your Pc is "off".
Similarly they can enable auto downloads on your purchases like they do on xbone already.
And then, the universal app platform was made with many inputs in mind, including controller. They are bit by bit deprecating all UI for either apps and system dialogs in favor of new ones made in the universal platform. This means they are a few steps way to make the entire system workable with a controller. Sure steam has some advances in that area as well, but when 100% of the software sold already supports controllers the user experience is much better.
Sure, Valve can enable all that with Steam OS and machines, and in some ways their approach is more open than Ms' because a game released on Steam Os would still be available as a win32 game for all the people that care, but as the first steam machines showed, it's hard to get a decent performance in console like size and prices, as well having applications designed to run with a keyboard and mouse working with a controller. Heck, even valve games showed issues.
Haunted
Member
The official modding API is coming too. Since 2011.
vasametropolis
Member
Well I mean, if they're going with their own store and UWA then that's what's happening in the near term. Perhaps it would be worthwhile after this many pages for anyone who is really concerned by this to put the heat on MS (Twitter? idk) to answer some of these burning questions, mainly if they aim to attempt to resolve any of the issues that have been compiled in this thread. I'm not a Twitter person and I'm not overly worried by this, but instead of speculating maybe we can just throw a question at ol Phil and see if he has anything to say.
Chobel
Member
Source? And is there some kind of roadmap?
Whats with all the hate?
I can see why people wont upgrade to W10 due to compability issues, but imo its the same as a console. Latest and greatest MS will push their new stuff.
I really like W10 and fail to see the problems :|
Also "Not on Steam = No purchase" is a weird but fully expected.
Someone please enlighten me?
I can see why people wont upgrade to W10 due to compability issues, but imo its the same as a console. Latest and greatest MS will push their new stuff.
I really like W10 and fail to see the problems :|
Also "Not on Steam = No purchase" is a weird but fully expected.
Someone please enlighten me?
mneuro
Member
Usually you don't keep personal private emails, pictures, etc on your console. That's the difference.
Sword Of Doom
Member
from the very beginning forcing a specific OS for games has been the major issue with Windows Store for me. Maybe Windows 10 is fine for some but it might not be for others.
And this is bad on Win10 because?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Reads really funny when bolded out of context, while I am trying to understand what you wrote. It is almost conflicted reprogramming, lol.
mneuro
Member
Because by default Windows 10 scans your files and emails and sends information to microsoft. You can disable these settings, and some users have reported windows updates enabling them again. Use your pc how you want, but some of us get cautious about stuff like that.
Are you talking about Cortana? You mean that OPT-IN feature? I hope you don't use Gmail, Chrome, Android, or anything Google. Or use Facebook.
Windows 10 doesn't enable Cortana (the thing that reads your emails) by default, that is incorrect.
Most concerns aren't with the storefront and more with how all the software delivered on it are sandboxed and locked away from the user. So while there are benefits for applications to do this, it makes less sense for games where you're screwed out of using tools like Reshade, ENB, texture modding, etc. So I mean, if MS was open to seeing a regular win32 version of the game like any other game along side the "app" version, this thread wouldn't be nearly as large.
Facism
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mneuro
Member
Cortana is enabled by default during windows 10 install. you have to manually disable it.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
And 100% of all preinstalled Win10 PC's, it is enabled, and your average end-user does not know about it.
But hey, Google, Apple, Facebook too tho!
vasametropolis
Member
It was not enabled for me by default and still isn't. If it requires a sign into your Microsoft account I'm not sure how it's enabled on new machines, unless on new machines it doesn't let you skip the log in. How is this different from an Apple ID on OS X though?
That is incorrect. She is not enabled by default. I've installed Windows 10 countless times can tell you that she is not. Can she be turned on easily...yep,very much so.
mneuro
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mneuro
Member
Please look at my picture above. The definition of default.
Here is a picture of a screen during windows 10 installation.
Cortana is not those things. Try again. You must have read those privacy articles and thought yourself informed about everything. Granted I'm making an assumption of you so I may be incorrect of you but that picture does not describe Cortana.
I turned all of that privacy stuff off during the install anyway. Its nothing that Facebook, google and so on don't do from before anyway.
Wait are you saying none of these things work on Win10? Or just on this game due to the storefront?
Cause SLI and other overlays work fine.
Or is the concern that they would close all of it down at a moments notice?
Wait are you saying none of these things work on Win10? Or just on this game due to the storefront?
Cause SLI and other overlays work fine.
Or is the concern that they would close all of it down at a moments notice?
Dont get me wrong, im not saying PC should be like a console. Merely that new software, especially made by MS would be pushed to their new stuff, very much like console games do.
Prophet Steve
Member
Which does say nothing about Cortana being enabled by default, which it isn't. You need to setup before using it.
Also doesn't say anything about going through your files like you mentioned.
That's kind of amusing. If this is a genuine question:
As a clarification, I wouldn't have an issue with MS games behind a Windows operated Store if they didn't have these restrictions. To remove the restrictions, they would either have to unilaterally alter what UWAs are, or they would have to release the games as Win32 programs. Disregarding all that, my stance would still be to wait several years anyway before purchasing; to see whether MS can be competent with PC gaming and if support / updates are maintained effectively over those years. Right now, similar to GFWL, they show themselves as far behind in understanding what PC gamers want and use.
Competition in the PC space should be welcomed, but UWA is pretty shit. Thankfully, I can just avoid the store and those games.
Win10 is really great. This is coming from Win7 evangelist.
vasametropolis
Member
I see what you mean. But, they let you shut it off right there. I can't say that for my Android which reports everything to Google and never asked me.Here is a picture of a screen during windows 10 installation.
mneuro
Member
I was referring to default being windows 10 sending your information to microsoft. Sorry i think i misunderstood. the personal assistant is disabled. collecting data is enabled.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
Windows Store walls are just dandy with PC gamers though!
These things generally don't work for software delivered through the windows 10 store.
mneuro
Member
android also asks you while you set it up if you go to "customize" just like you have to do during windows 10 set up. It being default behavior is the scary part. Especially since windows update have been known to re-enable things.
boredandlazy
Member
When I installed Windows 10 I did the Custom install and turned off all the options I could, yet low and behold if I go to the task manager Cortana is still running.
And sorry, but referring to the inbuilt indexing and search engine of Windows 10 as 'She' makes me chuckle.
Ahh ok, thanks for the clarification.
Its not about the store itself, but rather the heavy restrictions it have.
Thank you.