Nocturno999
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The concern is not just game but MS' stance on PC gaming right now.
Greenberg: Quantum Break is not coming to Steam
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The concern is not just game but MS' stance on PC gaming right now.
Is the ultimate concern that Windows becomes like iOS?
CrispyBoar
Banned
Unless they change Windows 10 in a way that prevents the installation of apps outside Windows Store, I think most people can simply ignore MS' stance on PC gaming the same way MS has ignored PC gaming for more than a decade now.
DarthWalden
Banned
Microsoft paid for and developed the product, they can sell it any dam way that want so yes it is shut the fuck up and take what you are given
Having said this is really only the second AAA 60$ product to launch on that store so its still green and I'm sure they are looking at feedback. Even if address every concern though I'm sure there will still be people who refuse to upgrade to W10 or leave there steam bubble.
Dictator93
Member
They have to fix all the problems with Win 10 store and how it interacts with exclusive full screen mode and normal injection for it to be considered viable as a place to buy games. In the mean time, those are some serious basic problems... this says nothing of any other ethical problems people may have with them created a walled garden.
Joke post?
I don't care what store it's sold on. Steam, Origin, GOG or even Windows Store. Except I don't want it in a way that's so locked down that I can't even access the files if I want to fix stupid ini based resolution locks, or frame rates etc.
I guess if it's sold on Windows Store and general impressions are that it doesn't need fucking with then I'll be ok, but this seems silly.
Even if they charged £40 on their store and whacked it up to £50 on others, at least it gives people a choice
I guess if it's sold on Windows Store and general impressions are that it doesn't need fucking with then I'll be ok, but this seems silly.
Even if they charged £40 on their store and whacked it up to £50 on others, at least it gives people a choice
Double speak at its very finest. Shut the fuck up but we want you feedback. Oh..dear.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
How insightful, care to provide any counter argument for anything I said?
What was it?
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That I did not want Win10 reminder popping up so I did not installed the optional updates on the reinstall?
Was it that companies that are now so large, have proven that they provide you with what they want on their terms, and not so much the consumer wants like it used to be back in the day when there were more fighting for your attention?
How people who are speaking out against all these new platforms, were just as angry and nasty at Valve and Steam when they released a much more covenant game to launch their service?
How PC gamers used to have FULL CONTROL at one time, where hell, you batch file launched DOS games through Windows, and everything else under the sun, but is it becoming less and less intuitive?
How "games as a service" or "anything as a service" uses "convenience" as a mask to control your content and not allow you to fully own or do what you will?
How the music industry, and almost anything mainstream shoves something down your throat enough, that you tend to eventually conform and bop your head to it and like it due to patterned repetition?
How younger and younger consumers who do not know, or ever experienced the history of PC or gaming tech, have no idea how much freedom there used to be, so they do not have the same animosities since they are used to the generation they are in?
And in closing, how MSFT wanted to launch the One with all that DRM and control, wanting to collect and make money off your personal data with zero compensation to you, does not show they underestimated their consumers just a little bit, and they hope to try again in the next few years when people slowly "adjust" to control being stripped?
They are doing nothing different in which they have been sued for in many anti-trust suits over the last 20 years. They just have so much money and saturation to endure it. But this comes to no shock to people? Only a shock I guess to those who do not brush up on their history lessons. Sometimes it is burden to live through all the generations of gaming and PC tech, because over time, we are feeling the end user control stripped, more and more than new consumers.
Honest question. Do you work for MS? Because if you do you could take this feedback and deliver it to your employer.
No. I don't. I work for a different huge software company that isn't connected to games at all. I just found it interesting that I see a lot of feedback that could be used in their feedback app and uservoice site. Tho I think they moved their uservoice to something else.
Dick Justice
Banned
Just do what I did and put him on ignore. At this point, he's either an imbecile, a troll or an astroturfer.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I am sure this feedback has been echoed far greater and more en mass than the likes of us NeoGaf peeps voicing our concerns.
Whether they want to do anything with it, positive for the end user, is a whole different topic.
I guess they must have held all those feedback and focus groups for the Xbox One reveal, huh?
When it comes to them, I think a lot of the feedback they collect, is to gauge how much time or effect they are having with their frustrating practices until the consumers crack as a whole, lol.
Remember, it only takes 10% of the population to get behind something, to make it easier to conform the entire population to the goal at hand. Chisel away, chisel away.
You can't buy from Steam, then?
GHG
Member
No it will not be forgotten. I read this many times during the reveal of the Xbox one. "When it's out it will be business as usual and people will buy the console, the games are all that matter" is what I read. Well guess what, people didn't forget, people simply didn't buy the console and the console is still suffering sales-wise as a result. What makes you think this will be any different? People simply won't buy the game. Why are you acting as if people are idiots and will simply "forget" the problems that currently exist with the store.
And what makes you think that people discussing the problems is this thread give a shit about the game being "free" with an Xbox one pre-order?
You are joking right? You know what happens when companies send this message? People don't buy their shit.
"Asking for something we will never give you doesn't count as feedback"
What does count as feedback then in your book?
hahahahahahah, calm your ass down. There was a time many pc players felt left out and didnt wanna buy an xbox console, just saying now they get to play without having to shell out 300 bucks. I said none of what you said. Im saying atleast the games are coming. You can protest on my behalf, i couldnt give 2 shits what MS does.
I understand that, maybe they will get it right, maybe they wont. Will i let it stop me from enjoying a game im interested in? Fuck no.
generic_username
I switched to an alt account to ditch my embarrassing tag so I could be an embarrassing Naughty Dog fanboy in peace. Ask me anything!
I need this ASAP. Purchasing day one
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
This reads like a Indian named, generic, Goole Play or Apple Store Facebook product review, hahaha.
Sorry.
Must be if he disagrees with you. Come on buddy, that's a little harsh don't you think?
Why?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Saying shit like "Wow is all I have to say" to sentiments that have been echoed for 20 years with consumers, is a shit post. No substance, no counter argument, nothing. That is not a simple, "but he is disagreeing tho".
I even elaborated. Fuck that noise.
I didnt say all will buy the game, but many probably will. Who are you to say that they wont.Do you speak for everyone? People flip flop left and right on a daily basis. Some stick to their guns, while others not so much. Protest with your wallets or your mouths. Have fun doing it while i brush that shit off my shoulder and move on with better things to worry about.
Dick Justice
Banned
Maybe you should try reading some of the shit he's posted in this thread, buddy?
I wasn't aware that Steam prevented you from modding and tinkering with games, and using stuff like Reshade?
All i have to say is tomb rider was the first and last thing i got on the ms store, their store isn´t something i want or need on my pc, i normaly don´t care which service a game uses aslong as it´s fit for the purpose, so be it steam, origin, gog, uplay or whatever else there is, and i´ll actively avoid any of them if they try to fuck me over and then i´ll just go without their output.
GHG
Member
No, I don't speak for everyone but you didn't hesitate to speak on behalf of "many" and tell us that it will be forgotten.
If you think it will be forgotten and blow over then I don't know what to tell you. Microsoft are not popular within the PC gaming space due to their history. If they want to win people back over they need to work much harder than this to do it. If things stay the same, the game will not sell well. It's as simple as that.
If you are happy to buy it then that's your choice. Just don't come crying to us if you can't download or access your game in a few years time.
Oh I'm calm, merely stating that every consumer has the right to provide feedback and further more they should do so with the knowledge that ultimately their protests are far more valuable than being silent. It's an important point to make and when I see dismissive responses of clearly legitimate concerns, I am compelled to make it.
This thread seems to be an annoyance to you, something that you wish to brush off. If that's the case I'm sure there are many more important threads with issues that concern you. You might want to check them out.
Dick Justice
Banned
Likewise
crazyrabbits
Banned
Uh... no.
No, the bigger problem is the game's installation is mostly hidden, locked down and sandboxed. It makes graphics and other mods unusable. Thinks like the fixes for Dark Souls, FF13, or even HD texture mods for Mass Effect cannot exist for games like that. Hell, even Reshade AFAIK wouldn't work. So if MS sold a Win32 copy through their Windows 10 Store the core issues would go up in smoke.
ScientificPizza
Banned
yeah, this thread is..... something
GHG
Member
I'm sure there would have been and they would have likely been Xbox loyalists telling people they don't know what they're missing by not paying for the amazing life changing service that is Xbox live.
How about 98% posting driveby shitposts without reading the thread?
That sounds more accurate to me.
ElectricKaibutsu
Member
I won't buy it then.
I'm lazy and have gotten used to easily having access to all my PC games in one place, no matter what computer I'm on. I have no patience to deal with multiple stores.
I'm lazy and have gotten used to easily having access to all my PC games in one place, no matter what computer I'm on. I have no patience to deal with multiple stores.
Anytime I go PC game shopping, I buy a Steam card from a store. (Sometimes I do humble bundles too)
If it's not on those storefronts, I probably won't end up buying it. (Along with a lot of other people)
I already do what I can to minimize the services MS runs constantly in w10, like the Xbox stuff.
If it's not on those storefronts, I probably won't end up buying it. (Along with a lot of other people)
I already do what I can to minimize the services MS runs constantly in w10, like the Xbox stuff.
First of all, asking for something that is a security risk is not real feedback.
What people want isn't DLL injection, people just want the service that the DLL injection provides.
Also feedback isn't anything if you don't give feedback to the people that need to hear it. Granted there are MS people who do look at this forum but it doesn't mean that it will definitely be seen.
I love it how people just enter the thread to make pronouncements that are so wrong that it looks like that they didn't even bother reading the last page.
Not at all. Don't you remember the Ukranian price on Rise of the Tomb Raider?
If you actually read at least on page of this thread you'll see what are the complaints.
People actually do want DLL injection and the other things that we have for 30+ years in any other store. If they want to compete they at least have to have basic things that everyone expects and is available literally everywhere.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
That's funny because you could buy ROTTR really cheap on the Microsoft Store not long ago.
Edit: Beaten
So no?
Mass_Pincup
Banned
This thread is a mess lol
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
How do you know people are not doing this? And how does that negate the fact we can't voice our displeasure here on a forum made for discussion on the topic at hand?
Seems like you are trying to get this discussion shut down.