Greenberg: Quantum Break is not coming to Steam
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Lol With this dx12 bullshit MS has been pushing... You're telling me my 780 Ti can't run an Xbox One game? Yeah sure.. Ok..
No, I don't think your 780 Ti on Windows 7 would be as good as it would on 10. As is, 7 users are starting to look like the new XP holdouts.
edit: The Xbox as a Windows platform has its benefits, as does the PC as a Windows platform, this is true of tablets and other devices. Microsoft wants people using Windows on all of their devices. By crippling the functionality of games on PC, they're effectively taking one of their platforms and removing functionality and consequently value.
Wowfunhappy
Member
Well then, that's where I fundamentally disagree with Microsoft's approach. Devs should not get that type of promise. It's none of their businessnot once they've sold me their software.
The developer could, of course, refuse to give technical supportthey could insist that "code injection protection" be turned on before any other troubleshooting is done. But what I do with my software shouldn't be up to the developerand asking that control be given back to me is not an unreasonable request
They prefer giving the best possible experience/performance (by exploiting the benefits of dx12) to xbox one owners over supporting older 3rd party HW (and using dx11).
GhostTrick
Banned
Microsoft realize that their biggest mistake was to allow GFWL games to be sold on Steam. Which nearly killed their masterplan of removing all your GFWL games since you can still play and download those you bought on Steam
Only because Microsoft is pushing hard with all kinds of (shady) practices. I will happily use Windows 7 at least until 2020.
Iced_Eagle
Member
DX12 is integrated into Windows pretty tightly. There were kernel changes to support it and the new driver model WDDM 2.0.
Your hardware can run it fine (I have the same card) but your OS doesn't support it. Unless you want to find a way to back port an entire driver model and find ways to update the Win7 kernel with the new features you'll need to update to Win10.
I... don't really care about what you do. By all means use an OS nobody will care about in 2020.
Night Angel
Member
That's one way to say it's a shit, no-effort port designed to brute force everything because it's obvious that the PC market is still an afterthought.
It's like some people have forgotten the fun of Halo 2 on Windows Vista, also requiring the latest DX of the time DX10, when the ability of to have had DX9 as render, while requiring some work, would not have been ridiculously difficult if the goal was to give uses a game to buy - but that isn't the goal. The goal is to push yet another version of Windows, as is the case with practically every new version of DX with some locked in games. This has nothing to do with supporting Xbox owners, and everything to do with getting the Windows Store rolling and pushing Windows 10.
The Artisan
Member
so just windows 10?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Just Windows Store on 10.
mneuro
Member
And you're sure that with all of these windows 10 concerns that people will still care about windows 10 in 2020? How long did Windows 8 last?
Most people will be upgrading to whatever the new OS would be in 2020.
tiredheadcrab
Member
Windows 10 is the version of Windows that people will be using by 2020. Like OSX it will get service updates. Right now Windows 10 isnt failing by any means and although its free, their adoption has been really high. This isnt a Vista situation and the reception behind Windows 8 was rather negative.
This OS is here for the long run. We will probably be using Windows 10.2 or 10.3 by then.
The Artisan
Member
so this technically doesn't apply to the entire PC install base. But I don't know it works; I suppose most people have Windows 10 by now.
It isn't a problem for most applications, but for PC gaming in particular it doesn't work out well at all, especially considering how modification / injection / overlays / and communities building on top of existing games has been driving innovation in PC gaming for decades.
flintstryker
Banned
Funny story yesterday my windows 10 randomly crash and when I rebooted it told me my Desktop was deleted
tiredheadcrab
Member
Its not though. Win 8.1 is a much better OS than win 7,let alone win 10. Win 10 is better than both in every way possible.
It doesn't prevent Vulkan from working with an older WDDM, nor did it prevent Mantle.
There may be benefits to WDDM 2.0, but lets not pretend dx12 wouldn't be possible on older versions of windows, if they so desired it.
This is correct. If one doesn't like something, one should make that heard. If enough people dont like it, perhaps change will occur.
Security, I/0 support and display functions alone were a jump from 7-8. And even more so to 10. Using multiple screens, devices in 10 compared to 7 is a huge upgrade. Yet, I know guys who refuse to move off of XP. It's not based on actual facts, but their perception and stubbornness to stand their ground. It's their loss really.
DX12 is technically better than DX11 in a significant way.
Yet people still find a way to describe using a better solution in a negative way.
Where should i send the money?
Ahahah they are also raising money for a Nigerian prince, you should contribute.
Dinky Dino
Member
I did but no response yet. I think everyone who cares about the ms store actually succeeding should tweet him because at this rate, it's going to be bad pr at release. I can't think of anyone else to ask
I hate to be the one to have to point this out... but it's not your software. You buy the right to use it, not the rights to the software itself. If the actual software was yours, then they would also have no say in your redistributing it with whatever modifications you made to it. It'd be your software if you created it.
Lets not forget about context here. DX languished in terms of technical feats since DX9. It was only until Mantle came along and intended to open up that a fire was lit under their arse, and we got DX12 - which indeed is undeniably technically better.
But lets not be utterly naive about the situation at hand. Another Windows product needs adoption, another DX is tied specifically to it - unnecessarily - and purely to move people on to the new hotness. Albeit, things are different in that rather than doing so to push sales of an OS, now it is to push people on to the OS and then chase revenue through the Windows Store. Halo 2 is a great example of this on Vista and GFWL, a similar service they wanted to push and eventually got bored of since subscriptions didn't take and PC gaming wasn't as much of an important or sizeable revenue stream as it is now.
edit - To clarify my own thoughts, there is nothing wrong with being on the Windows Store, more competition is great, always. However, every DX being locked to a new OS is unnecessary but an obviously valid business strategy to push their OS, as is locking down their games by only providing that renderer. Undeniably, this has happened time and again with a new Windows push. Where things are lost is in UWA, and obviously the trust that needs to be regained since GFWL, which will take several years to demonstrate for me. Things like Vulkan are great since they will bring the vast majority of capability found in DX12 to OS outside of Win10. "People still find a way to describe using a better solution in a negative way", because that is the fact of the situation, we have seen so much of this in the past with every new Windows iteration and a new method to "do good" for PC gaming, that has always fallen flat. Restating the facts and the context is not the problem, but dismissing it as finding a way to be negative is your own choice.
Nostremitus
Member
Are you still unable to choose a destination folder for Windows Store installs?
So you are basically saying that they are trying to make money from a technologically superior solution they have developed? Well, yes they are.
Dee Dah Dave
Member
No big deal for me. I only hope it actually utilizes DX12 in a significant way to warrant it being Win 10 only.
I haven't stretched my PC's legs in a while, looking forward to it!
I haven't stretched my PC's legs in a while, looking forward to it!
Ninja Sharingan
Banned
Can't believe people are now complaining about not being able to play it on Windows 7. We have gone there. There wasn't even a known pc version a week ago
As I added to my post, I am stating the context of the situation, which I don't think is "People still find a way to describe using a better solution in a negative way". This has happened before, and really demands being stated when the comment I replied to seemed to imply that the reason for doing so is "They prefer giving the best possible experience/performance (by exploiting the benefits of dx12) to xbox one owners over supporting older 3rd party HW (and using dx11)." - which simply isn't the main goal here, driving people to the new version of Windows and their new Store is the goal, yet again
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Who are these people? I only see people saying they can't care less for Win10 and MSFT's "vision" with it's lock down practices at this point.
Which, from my perspective, is a very pessimistic way of looking at it.
No, you can choose where apps are installed. I have my OS and main programs boot off of a SSD and everything else off another HDD.
EDIT: Didn't read close enough. No, you can't choose the folder.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
I wonder how many got bored of advising Microsoft's direction already.
Reading comprehension definitely isn't your strength, is it?
Gross over simplifications and the ignoring of technical issues as mentioned by Durante and others? Really?
He said "destination folder" though, not "destination drive". With that said though, considering how the apps function, I'm not sure why anybody would actually want to choose the folder location manually... I can't really see any purpose for it.
Thanks, didn't read that close enough. Right, I don't see any options to choose a destination folder. It just created another folder called WindowsApps on the drive I selected.
Fuz
Banned
I like having full control. Even the documents folder use games nowaday do doesn't really sit well with me. I'm a PC gamer since the DOS days and I'm used to keep everything very tidy and organized.
I don't like when they take control away from me. Not being able to chose the folder woul bother me quite a lot.
