JadedWriter
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I still don't know what she''s even famous for. I get the feeling that I'm "too old" to even know who that person is.
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Naruto Shippuden |OT| The Filler Chronicles (Anime Only! No manga spoilers)
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Actually, its quite clear in the Kage arc that Sakura gives up on Sasuke and feels she must kill him in order to stop him and prevent war. She is in grief after Sai finally points out the shitty way she used Naruto up till then and is persuaded by the others, who had valid points but still. Except she couldn't even do that right because of her weak resolve even after he tries to kill her.
Narutos is Sasukes only true friend who never gave up. He was prepared to die with Sasuke if it meant stopping him.
Team 7 were two studs using each other to progress and a side character for support. Sakura, especially in part 1 is someone that basically is only good for staying out of the way and helping if needed. Sasuke and Naruto had huge amounts of mutual respect for one another, to the point where it turned them against each other.
Psycho_Mantis
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Predictable.
Sakura never truly gave up since she never could do the deed: killing Sasuke. Naruto was in a state of despair as well, fainting just thinking about Sasuke, the only reason he understands better is due to Tobi telling him the truth about Itachi, which is conveniently kept a secret of Sakura to reinforce the strength of her faith in these two.
Predictable.
Sakura never truly gave up since she never could do the deed: killing Sasuke. Naruto was in a state of despair as well, fainting just thinking about Sasuke, the only reason he understands better is due to Tobi telling him the truth about Itachi, which is conveniently kept a secret of Sakura to reinforce the strength of her faith in these two.
right!?!
kishi directly cites the moment where the third has zero resolve to stop oro and has sakura almost flat out say she won't give up; there's even a whole section where Danzou, of all people, doesn't find self-sacrifice at all easy and, while desperately running away from sauce, thinks back to another moment where him and the rest of his team (including the second hokage) are struggling to make hard decisions'
kishi is in no way subtle about this
oop @ the desperation
kishi directly cites the moment where the third has zero resolve to stop oro and has sakura almost flat out say she won't give up; there's even a whole section where Danzou, of all people, doesn't find self-sacrifice at all easy and, while desperately running away from sauce, thinks back to another moment where him and the rest of his team (including the second hokage) are struggling to make hard decisions'
kishi is in no way subtle about this
oop @ the desperation
TropicalFish
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This thread made me dislike Sakura more lmao.
Imma stay in my own lane while stanning Tenten in Rock Lee SD.
Also
SCREAMING HAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Imma stay in my own lane while stanning Tenten in Rock Lee SD.
Also
SCREAMING HAAAAAAAAAAAAA
SoulUnison
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oop @ you bringing up queen again
Holy hell, find a new schtick.
We get it. You really like this GIF.
Now try to navigate a conversation without it.
Growth is good for you.
FeenixRising
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This thread made me dislike Sakura more lmao.
Imma stay in my own lane while stanning Tenten in Rock Lee SD.
Also
SCREAMING HAAAAAAAAAAAAA
SD Tenten is the best, so is Neji
JadedWriter
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This gif is hilarious.
SCREAMING HAAAAAAAAAAAAA
oop @ you bringing up queen again
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God fuck that gif please stop this. Also fuck Naruto for Itachi being at least 9 episodes...
TropicalFish
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Lol the fuck are you even talking about? Will you address a single point?right!?!
kishi directly cites the moment where the third has zero resolve to stop oro and has sakura almost flat out say she won't give up; there's even a whole section where Danzou, of all people, doesn't find self-sacrifice at all easy and, while desperately running away from sauce, thinks back to another moment where him and the rest of his team (including the second hokage) are struggling to make hard decisions'
kishi is in no way subtle about this
oop @ the desperation
Sakura gave up on Sasuke and decided she had to kill him. Which part of this is not true? None of that bullshit you are spouting about her not deciding to conform to the shinobi world is true. She did exactly that and was so scared of the shinobi world that she thought she had to kill her love to save her village from going to war. And it was a terrible plan anyway. Naruto never bought any of her lies at Kage summit and neither did sasuke before he was about to take her out.
Conversely, Naruto even when he was absolutely sure that they would end up dying fighting each other never gave up hope. He told sasuke to his face that he was still bringing him back to the leaf even though all hope seemed lost.
Don't try to compare Naruto and Sakura. You end up looking foolish. *ending spoiler*
Even Sasuke himself admits that Naruto is the only one who never gave up on him
JadedWriter
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"Nardo I love you."
As I said, the other ninja had valid points. Nobody should have to go to war because some selfish asshole who once lived in the village but never particularly cared for anyone decided to do dirty work for Tobi. Sakura had justification for deciding to kill him.So did you want Sakura to give up on Sasuke or not?
But this clearly means that she has given up hope of him ever returning or becoming good again. I don't see how you can pretend she didn't. Its in sharp contrast to how Naruto handled it.
JadedWriter
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Yeah Naruto clearly didn't want to kill Sasuke or anybody else for that matter. Especially when you take into consideration that he had a panic attack over the mere discussion of Sasuke having to be killed. Sakura didn't have that kind of reaction.
lol, I didn't say she didn't. I was trying to understand where you were going with it. It seems like a regular reaction to go "alright, I really care about this person but fuck it, this is too much" and clearly when it was all said and done she never stopped caring about him. Regardless of the final decision I think it's good for a character to waver, it shows that they're actually thinking like a normal person would.
I don't find any of the stanning in Naruto to be commendable, whether it's Naruto and Sakura for Sasuke or Hinata for Naruto. As it's shown throughout the manga it's one sided and not admirable at all. I don't know what Kishi was thinking in terms of how close relationships are supposed to work. I accept them as they are but I think he did an awful job when it came to establishing their "bonds"
Psycho_Mantis
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But TenTen SD is a joke character used to deliver punchlines ;_____;
Naruto was prepared to kill Sasuke if he attacked the village. Naruto's panic attack was due to despair from not being able to understand Sasuke's actions: joining Akatsuki. Sakura had a similar response, crying in despair. Only difference is one got a visit from Tobi explaining the situation while the other was pressured by another character resulting in one having to act in desperation and the other having some form of understanding.
Yes, HxH's
JadedWriter
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Didn't Naruto also recall his conversation with Itachi regarding having to deal with Sasuke. I think with Sasuke Naruto wants to be the only person that deals with Sasuke since he feels that it's his responsibility. I don't think he wants Sakura to even try since I think Naruto thinks that Sakura isn't and will never be up for the task.
Wait so HxH has Naruto level asspulls? These on the same level as the Great Snake Escape or worse?Yes, HxH's turgid fights scenes, Gon being amalgation of worst traits of Naruto &Sasuke, awful character designs and colour palette, terribad worldbuilding and asspulls all over the place really make it an unfair comparison.
Psycho_Mantis
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I know. One, at the very least, actually does its job as a shounen and has good fights.
Incorrect. Naruto says he is the only one who can handle Sasuke right now due to his power. This holds true to the end, and everyone knows it hence Kakashi being helpless and Sakura resorting to other means.
You know, I probably wouldn't take my opinions as gospel, given that from what I've seen, I'm an outlier and and didn't care for HxH all that much, (outside of one arc) but yes HxH's Chimera Ant Arc is Naruto War Arc levels of stupidity and asspulls.
Really reading other shounens like HxH or One Piece gave me a bit of newfound appreciation for Kishi cause he managed to keep the power levels more or less believeble and logical till at least that bullshit Sage Mode Naruto got. And after that there was again a decent stretch until Kishi went insane in the last 100 chapters.
JadedWriter
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Would Orochimaru even be able to beat an Itachi at Sasuke's current age in that gif? What you said also makes sense. It just seems like Naruto just wants to honor his bond with his best friend by being the one to deal with him. And yeah, nobody else can take on Sasuke.I know. One, at the very least, actually does its job as a shounen and has good fights.
Incorrect. Naruto says he is the only one who can handle Sasuke right now due to his power. This holds true to the end, and everyone knows it hence Kakashi being helpless and Sakura resorting to other means.
Dedication Through Light
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Season 17 Episode 449 The Shinobi Unite
AU Sasuke is actually honest about his feelings and very expressive. I loved this episode even if sometimes the drawings were a bit on the poor side for a whole lot of the episode.What happened? (though they did draw close up shots of Sasuke nicely).
I kind of liked this arc and Sasori being the big baddie overall. He got a chance to have some more screentime and have more of his personality show. Kind of better than Tobi at this point in time. Also he must be powerful if he was able to defeat some of the Kage.
SasuNaru episode next week [Rival]
AU Sasuke is actually honest about his feelings and very expressive. I loved this episode even if sometimes the drawings were a bit on the poor side for a whole lot of the episode.What happened? (though they did draw close up shots of Sasuke nicely).
I kind of liked this arc and Sasori being the big baddie overall. He got a chance to have some more screentime and have more of his personality show. Kind of better than Tobi at this point in time. Also he must be powerful if he was able to defeat some of the Kage.
SasuNaru episode next week [Rival]
This is actually a good point that again shows the contrast. In there conversation, Itachi knows that Sasuke may find out the truth and try to attack the village. He is a blank canvas that can be painted any color as Itachi put. Thats why he questioned Naruto on how he would handle balancing saving Sasuke versus protecting the village. Naruto with no unsureness says he would save both Sasuke and the Village. Sakura, chose the village over Sasuke.
Naruto doesn't want want the others to interfere because he senses something inside of Sasuke that no one else can. There's nobody in the leaf that can defeat him now. Even still Naruto senses that they would probably kill each other if it came to a fight and his resolve to save him never wavers. He is prepared to die if that what it takes.
Psycho_Mantis
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Predictable.
Sakura evidently did not if she, at the moment where it counted, could not kill Sasuke.
Itachi at 14 = ANBU captain with MS that murdered the Uchiha Clan. I'll give it to Oro though since he is a Sannin.
Itachi with MS experience and not crippled with a disease = kages/sannin struggling to fight him
Predictable.
Sakura evidently did not if she, at the moment where it counted, could not kill Sasuke.
Itachi at 14 = ANBU captain with MS that murdered the Uchiha Clan. I'll give it to Oro though since he is a Sannin.
Itachi with MS experience and not crippled with a disease = kages/sannin struggling to fight him
JadedWriter
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Itachi did his best to make sure that Sasuke couldn't be manipulated by Madara, but it didn't work cause not even Itachi knew how broken Madara's shit was. But yeah pretty much I think Naruto values Sasuke's existence more than anybody in that village. Everybody else is making the logical choice of "put that mad dog down," but not Naruto. He sides with Sasuke no matter what.
So Orochimaru gets it for having more experience and and Itachi not having access to the Amaterasu and Susanoo powers.
The thing about bonds in Naruto is that bonds that would make sense to show development for. Like Naruto and Neji or Naruto and Shikamaru or even Naruto and Sai get pushed to the side.
They aren't Naruto's Real friends, despite Shikimaru playing that role in Movies Like the Last ect.
I would feel way worse if Naruto was at odds with any of the other Leaf 12 for any reason than with Sasuke because he actually spent time with them. Even a character like Gaara I feel Naruto has a better connection to.
The most Naruto and Sasuke relationship goes is that they were both lonely when they were younger. But while Naruto tried to better himself and made friends with people as a result Sasuke stayed the same or even regressed.
They aren't Naruto's Real friends, despite Shikimaru playing that role in Movies Like the Last ect.
I would feel way worse if Naruto was at odds with any of the other Leaf 12 for any reason than with Sasuke because he actually spent time with them. Even a character like Gaara I feel Naruto has a better connection to.
The most Naruto and Sasuke relationship goes is that they were both lonely when they were younger. But while Naruto tried to better himself and made friends with people as a result Sasuke stayed the same or even regressed.
Hell no. Hunter x Hunter is the best written shonen out there. Togashi is a master of the genre.
JadedWriter
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When it comes to Naruto and Sasuke it just feels like Naruto is an abused lover with Stockholm syndrome it just defies logic. Ugh can the mods permban all sources of that gif?
Dusk Soldier
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Hunter X Hunter is good, but I definitely couldn't call it the best written shounen. Most of the arcs have very anti-climactic endings, but it doesn't come across as ironic or profound.
They almost all read like the editor was pressuring Togashi to wrap things up and he just went with the quickest solution he could think of.
Wait what is pyscho talking about? She clearly made her mind up. Because she flinched at the last moment as sakura often does changes nothing. She wss literally past the point of no return and would be dead if it weren't for naruto and kakashi. She couldn't do it because she was weak and even laments that fact in those panels you are quoting. Its quite obvious she couldn't kill sasuke.
So again what?
FeenixRising
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I'm ad-blocking that gif.
Psycho_Mantis
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Sakura did not truly give up on Sasuke because if she had then Sasuke would be dead. Its not hard to grasp and has been repeated three times now.
JadedWriter
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Psycho_Mantis
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That's because Kishi is a bad writer who couldn't write a convincing relationship/friendship/rival between the at the end of it all.
JadedWriter
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JadedWriter
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Shikamaru's actually a well written character. I swear his character arc wasn't fucked up due to sheer luck.
Dedication Through Light
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He always gets good stuff in the anime original story episodes.
Show really squandered the small traces of positivity I had for it.
That basically Naruto, wasted potential. Like you can see what Kishi is trying to do, but ultimately the execution leaves much to be desired. Especially when Kishi try's to tackle big things in the story.
If you need to read a manga that about bonds between characters and kids growing up, read Assassination Classroom. Hell it actually shows how little you can deal with romance and make it good.
JadedWriter
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Which eps are those? I actually like the side cast as long as they're in good filler.
Interesting. Is there an anime? Granted reading Berserk taught me I can read a manga and enjoy it as long as I have easy access to it.
There is anime, although now that I think about it I don't think my description is the best. If anything it's about trouble/lower rank students finding what they are good at of finding some hope in a future. The main bond is a teacher/students relationship, while some character connections here and there.
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