balladofwindfishes
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Then RIP GOP. Overruling what the people voted for to throw up an establishment candidate using under handed loopholes is not going to sit well with a crowd that is already mad at the establishment.
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Then RIP GOP. Overruling what the people voted for to throw up an establishment candidate using under handed loopholes is not going to sit well with a crowd that is already mad at the establishment.
fallengorn
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It's still disheartening to know he's made it this far with as much support as he has.
I want to believe you, everything you said makes sense....but who thought Trump would get this far? There are a million reasons Trump should not be this far...but he is. Does logic even apply anymore in this election?
kame-sennin
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As long as Cruz is polling on an even level with Rubio neither are going to drop out.
Rubio won't drop out because he probably feels he could win a brokered convention if all 3 stick it out and even if Cruz drops out I don't think it can be assumed those voters break significantly to Rubio over Trump.
A lot of America has been left behind because of globalization, deregulation (leads to consolidating mergers and efficiency increasing layoffs), and technological change rendering them obsolete. They're mad as hell and it manifests in all sorts of ways. Right now they're latching onto Trump because he promises easy solutions and is scapegoating large groups of people.
RPGCrazied
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Much as I fucking loathe the man, if the GOP doesn't consolidate on one candidate now, its over. Rubio could do it maybe, but not with 5 currently in. Would have to get Carson and Kaisch out. Both have pretty much said they aren't. I mean, Carson is just doing it for the book sells. lol
Trump probably is going to be the nomniee. Then Hillary will be President. Then I hope he goes into hiding. Least I won't have to see him on TV 24/7.
Trump probably is going to be the nomniee. Then Hillary will be President. Then I hope he goes into hiding. Least I won't have to see him on TV 24/7.
Jack The Nipper
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I don't think America the government will let him win. If he makes it he will lose to Hillary. Call it rigged or whatever you want but it isn't hard to cover up votes.
Rubio AI also needs an upgrade.
nature boy
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If Trump is doing this well without spending what others are spending and without more sophisticated data analytics, imagine one he's the nominee and has the resources of the RNC.
It's a frightening thought.
It's a frightening thought.
The problem is that there's not one candidate the party hates, but two. Cruz is about as popular with the establishment as Trump is, so it is hard for any candidate to hit 50%. It is doomed to be a three-way race for months.
Cruz sees Trump as his chance to get the nomination, but the party hates Cruz. He is piggy-backing on chaos.
Eventually, I'll have to admit i was wrong that the GOP would, like they always have, go with the "safe" candidate in the end.
BUT NOT YET
balladofwindfishes
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I think he'll double down
toadsworth
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He'll double down and go all out attack mode on hillary. It's going to be nasty.
balladofwindfishes
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I'm sure she can handle it. She might even humble him a little.
Jeb folded like a wet napkin to his bullying. Hillary certainly won't, and it'll be interesting to see how he handles someone who doesn't get phased by his nonsense.
Dash_Riprock
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Please do, PLEASE DO. If will fracture the GoP and destroy conservatism in this country for at least a generation, if not longer.
GoP base is energized this year with very high voter turnout as is typical after 8 years of a Democrat in office and Hillary is just not exciting. I think Trump wins the nom and picks Rubio as vp uniting the establishment folks and the rest. Unless Hillary can get Bernie as vp I think he smokes her in a general.
Bernie would have beaten Trump imo.
Bernie would have beaten Trump imo.
RPGCrazied
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He'd probably try and say she is ineligible to be President, like he did to Cruz, is now doing to Rubio. He really loves this birther shit.
I don't know if this is the reason but I feel it is much larger then his supporters being just a bunch of racist assholes.
I do agree that a lot of Americans are getting left behind though. I don't know if most of them are Trump supporters but it makes sense on the surface.
The only reason that Trump is winning is because people have really started to hate big government. People hate Congress. Almost all conservatives hate ObamaCare. Then we had the recession where big banks were bailed out. And peeeeeeeople haaaattted that.
Trump is a reaction from a disenfranchised group of people who think the government is going to take away their guns.
The GOP died in 2008 when McCain selected Palin as his running mate. Death by a 1,000 cuts.
Shmuppers
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LMAO
Yup.
I've been saying for months: this is a trap. There is no elegant, painless way for the GOP to escape this predicament. We're either going to see the Establishment finagle its way to getting their man nominated against the strident wishes of the most enthusiastic portion of its base.. or we're going to see the party nominate a madman who will be electoral and demographic poison all the way downticket.
balladofwindfishes
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Bernie is an incredibly poor choice for VP. She needs a young, Obama type.
Also Bernie would have been crushed by Trump in debates and came across as a feeble old man. Hillary has the kid gloves on against him right now, if he was an actual threat, it would be a bloodbath at debates.
Trump also won't pick the most establishment of the establishment as a vp. It's not his style.
Turnout for primaries is meaningless. Democrats aren't showing up because it's pointless, as Hillary was basically handed the election (despite what Sanders supporters believe), while the GOP actually has legit competition between four people. That drives turnout.
Trump might (and probably would) lower GOP turnout, as moderate voters have no interest in allying with him. Democrats would feel energized to try and prevent disaster.
Dash_Riprock
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And yet these same big-gov haters want to laws to ban Gay marriage, erect a wall in mexico, ban Muslims, enforce "religious freedom" and allow government monitoring, all of which require a massive bureaucracy.
I will never understand the hypocrisy that is the GoP.
I disagree with literally all of this lol.
kame-sennin
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It's not a popular vote, it's the electoral college. It all comes down to a couple of states. People need to get serious about Trump winning the whole thing.
And I don't think Hillary matches well against him. She's smart and polished while he's LCD and off the cuff. The problem is, the former is what people hate about Clinton and the latter is what people love about Trump. I don't see Clinton breaking through the noise.
balladofwindfishes
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Then explain why?
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At what point in primaries does it usually become a 1 person race?
I only started following us politics in the 2012 General so I have no idea
I know people keep saying Bernie is done and there will be no recovery (especially after super tuesday) but what happens when he drops out? And when is he expected to?
Likewise for the republicans
I only started following us politics in the 2012 General so I have no idea
I know people keep saying Bernie is done and there will be no recovery (especially after super tuesday) but what happens when he drops out? And when is he expected to?
Likewise for the republicans
minor effort
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You're making a very large assumption here about general election voters from GOP primary voters. That "off the cuff" style of Trump's is very generous phrasing. His rhetoric may be enough to propel him to the GOP nomination, but it's absolute poison to a large portion of the country.
SolidusDave
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Trump will be the republican candidate.
Democrats choose Clinton over Sanders but it's a very close race (with the public opinion even potentially leaning towards Sanders).
More frustration in young democrat voters -> less people actually vote / don't vote for Clinton. Republicans continue to vote like clockwork to support whoever is their candidate even if many don't like it.
Congratulations, President Trump.
You guys re-elected Bush so anything goes
Democrats choose Clinton over Sanders but it's a very close race (with the public opinion even potentially leaning towards Sanders).
More frustration in young democrat voters -> less people actually vote / don't vote for Clinton. Republicans continue to vote like clockwork to support whoever is their candidate even if many don't like it.
Congratulations, President Trump.
You guys re-elected Bush so anything goes
gutter_trash
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he did save the Earth from another Bush
People underestimate trumps cross party appeal. They've been doing it since the start of this election process. Trump is more than the details he spews and is the embodiment of a tough, strong president that will push things through
Your points probably are the same for any republican running, so unless you truly believe no republican can EVER win you may be in for a surprise. Especially since many people still vote republican in general for congress and many other positions. And the fact you cannot trust democratic turnout
I'm not gonna lie, the odds are pretty low he'd succeed. But I'm still gonna be in my seat staring at the live results come Election Day, because you never know. Especially if Bernie gets the nom, unfortunately
Cruz isn't going to drop, and Carson and Kasich are not a significant drag on anyone.
Mushroomer25
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Any chance of them collaborating as a last-ditch move to eliminate Trump? If they can come to a consensus between their platforms - the two could come out in unison support for one another. Then whoever is ahead come the convention, gets the nomination with the other as VP.
It'd be a risky move. But Cruz+Rubio does squash Trump.
Aruarian Reflection
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Bernie better get it together. If he loses to Hilary, I'll have to vote Trump
Orbis Tabula
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Yup.
I've been saying for months: this is a trap. There is no elegant, painless way for the GOP to escape this predicament. We're either going to see the Establishment finagle its way to getting their man nominated against the strident wishes of the most enthusiastic portion of its base.. or we're going to see the party nominate a madman who will be electoral and demographic poison all the way downticket.
Hahahahaha, fantastic gif.
Tarkus
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Because some of us are actually real Republicans 😅
Mushroomer25
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Why would you vote for the candidate with no shared value as Bernie, over one who shares 90% of the same policy decisions as him?
Additionally a Trump presidency would make most of Bernie's proposals impossible for at least a generation.
balladofwindfishes
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Trump would somehow need to gain more of the white vote than past candidates (not likely), or minorities would need to have unexpectedly low turnout (also not likely).
Where's Trump magically getting these votes?
Dash_Riprock
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Self-hating blacks/latinos?
RPGCrazied
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I simply do not get people that say that. Trump is like the polar fucking opposite of Sanders. I really do think its trolling at this point.
Sickboy007
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People who don't normally vote. Lots of uneducated whites out there for the taking, potentially.
Dash_Riprock
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That or they're just voting for a candidate simply because he's "Anti-Establishment."
All those Ron Paul fanboys had to go somewhere...
Fox Mulder
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I'm just expecting fewer dem votes due to shit like voting laws and a lack of a truly energizing candidate. Trump and Cruz at least have fired up bases who want to take America back from progress.
Septimus Prime
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Think of it like the Triforce. Trump is obviously Power. Both Democrat candidates are playing the Wisdom angle, but they also need you to have the Courage to go out and vote for them.
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