StrongBlackVine
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I don't think that is an actual level. He was just daydreaming.
Eurogamer: AC art used for Uncharted 4 trailer (Up: Naughty Dog responds)
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I don't think that is an actual level. He was just daydreaming.
Yes mistakes happen as so many have said. The problem is acting like even if it wasn't a mistake, that it's ok to steal, and plenty were more than willing to say it was ok for ND to steal, once again because it deserves "exposure" or that it's lucky to be in such a great game. hilarious.
When the hell did I say that? I hate that people assume I have an agenda, when nothing I've said is out of line. Stealing is wrong I've said that, this is a stupid mistake to make, I've said that. Once again google creative commons, any idiot could learn to use it, it's literally a click away. Nobody in this industry should make that mistake, but it was made. I understand how it could happen, but that guy needs a serious recalibration on what he does.
That being said again understand the point I'm driving home. NOBODY deserves a free pass. If this was the opposite and somebody had stolen concept art from Uncharted or TLOU Ubisoft would be drowning in a sea of flames right now.
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Maybe they are, strange way to jeopardise the launch of the trailer tho. Or maybe (tinfoil hat on) it was a concerted pr stunt DUNDUNDUN
Diablohead
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Could naughty dog be using the image you used for your photoshop? it can't be your photoshopped version... can it?
Zxrophantom
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I would not go that far, that is a story related location which does not look like a one to one match of the picture. I bet they just needed artwork for the scene and some artist grab that art which is close enough to the location looks to save time and not delay the trailers release. No one noticed and now you have a big oh crap on your hands.
StrongBlackVine
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You wish.
XANDER CAGE
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It does look bad, but I'm willing to believe the AC painting was being used as a temporary image or something during early production and got left in accidentally. That's a charitable option, mind, but it's totally possible if ND doesn't keep very good track of reference material vs. original concept art. Maybe the photobash a lot of concept art and this got mistaken for an original.
Of course, they've done similar with stuff like the subway map, so... the less charitable view is that whoever put the image there felt that removing the pirate was transformative enough to make it theirs, similar to when the subway map got grunged up without the original designer getting credit.
It's a bad look either way (the latter being far worse) but at least they apologized.
Wishmaster92
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All this mess from some shitty cross Gen game art lmao 25 pages no less...
Lys Skygge
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Once again I'll say it. You can absolutely unintentionally take someone's work. Placeholders and visions boards are common in most art industries. The picture was probably a placeholder from the trailers rough-cut that unintentially made its way to the final trailer. These things happen all the time.
I almost did a spit-take.
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Skellig Gra
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Exactly what I thought would happen. A mistake happened ACCIDENTALLY. They said "Woops, sorry" and that's it.
See how easy that was, fellas?
Have you actually considering how this could have happened "accidentally"? It's lazy plagiarism. Is it a massive deal? No. But it's like something I would have pulled in high school because my professor didn't own a computer at the time.
Could be wrong here but I think he's saying that picture looks similar to something he did.
Miles Quaritch
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Apology rings hollow.
They are clearly on the back-foot and trying to damage control, there's really no other way this could have happened other than a wilful attempt to use their reputation to bully others and scare them into silence.
I'm glad to see it didn't work and it saddens me to see so many people falling for this hook. line and sinker.
Yeah, ND made a mistake. Sure. Might as well believe that Konami care about gamers too while you're at it.
They are clearly on the back-foot and trying to damage control, there's really no other way this could have happened other than a wilful attempt to use their reputation to bully others and scare them into silence.
I'm glad to see it didn't work and it saddens me to see so many people falling for this hook. line and sinker.
Yeah, ND made a mistake. Sure. Might as well believe that Konami care about gamers too while you're at it.
Shit, imagine if the guy responsible for the painting was the same one responsible for the subway map. He would have gotten a pink slip today.
Haunted
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MatrixMan.EXE
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Developers are humans and make mistakes, huh? Go figure.
RedAssedApe
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Exactly. And it's happening way too often these days, even more so with concept artists bashing photos or even illustrations to work faster.
The idea is understandable - they do have to work fast. But it doesn't suddenly become fair game to use any image freely because it's been uploaded somewhere on the internet.
Yeah removing the pirate makes me think it was the latter rather than the former. If it was just a placeholder that was never meant to get out to the public, there would be no need to make any changes whatsoever.
They need to find the guy who did that pirate editing (who would presumably be the same guy who put this picture in the game) and hand him his walking papers.
I'm sure there is no shortage of hard-working people who would be more than happy to work at ND, they don't need lazy, plagiarizing asses like that.
Never forget.
The google logos are not actually in the game.
It can happen, sure (thankfully I only deal with assets sent by companies), but you'd think that after the Last of Us map misstep ND would have tightened up a little to prevent it from happening yet again. Not being extremely careful about it shows a bit of a disregard for other people's work, which is disappointing.
PapaJustify
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I take your point, but let's not pretend that every piece of art in game or other media is original. There are so many stock landscape images on the web, many of which you couldn't ever figure out where they come from.
But don't me wrong I don't want to defend the artist (if it even was an artist) for not even doing a basic background search, just stop this hate and demand for that person to get fired.
Trigonometrize.
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Not that it absolves ND, but I'm sure a handful of games also have similarly borrowed or ignorantly stolen assets that may have been completely accidental because they were placeholders. Looks like ND and the individual behind this got unlucky, but think twice before absorbing this story into your ND is literally Hitler narrative.
At least Konami didn't plagiarize. The Last of Us 2 may not see the light of day if ND continue on this track.
iNvid02
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maybe thats them seeing this as a rare chance to go against the status quo without issue i dunno, you don't see those guys appear too often so its a change of pace i suppose
but personally i couldn't take the posts saying naughty dog intended this or calling for someone to get fired over it seriously, whereas the other parties come across firmly believing what they are typing out
Familienoberhauptvogel
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at least google by image finds nothing but it and it's much higher res.
I'm a novice so I can't tell whether he just ripped and upressed it.
johnnydrama
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Okay this is useless now.
i thought they were gods?
Theoretically they could go to court over it. I would assume the situation was more "we need this trailer out, just find an image as a placeholder" which of course is pretty shady. I doubt an artist or artists used this to build a whole level.
ersocaster
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There are thousands of graphic designers and artists working for video game companies. Correct me if I'm wrong, but what other company has had this issue three times now? There is some kind of managerial issue going on here where people are not being held accountable for their actions. If it was as easy as you claim, we'd see this much more often.
PapaJustify
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Naughty Gods
Never forget.
what am I looking at?
MatrixMan.EXE
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Bro, let me sit you down for this one....
Defending Street Fighter V everywhere? Tell me more.
TurboButts
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You can't be serious
What on Earth are you talking about? Where's the bullying and scaring? How is an art mistake the equivalent of Konami who have continously dicked over their customers and employees?
Half the profits should go to Ubi. :3
GameAddict411
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What ND did is wrong and there is nothing to justify it. It's good they issued an official apology and I hope someone gets fired for doing this. It's really embarrassing for the studio that is known to make incredible games resort to stealing art(shitty too). It's not the standard that I hold Naughty Dog to.
BruceLeeRoy
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I don't think you guys realize how easy it is to make a mistake like this.
Where the concept art likely came from was from early pre-production. With any project whether is a commercial, movie, video game you do loose story boards. These are almost always done to establish mood and basic flow of what your hoping to achieve. Its mostly a combination of concept art that is drawn and other stuff that is found. Its quickly edited to make it fit the idea of the shot your going for. Once thats done you scrap all the stuff you didn't make and start finalizing the vision with in house or bought assets. At this point the artist has a staggering amount of concept work finished and somehow along the lines made the mistake of not removing this piece it. They need some art over the wall its his job to know but he doesn't remember. Done
Yes he should have caught it and yes it still sucks but its much easier than you would ever imagine. We have sent out footage with branding still in the shot and had to do emergency overnight editing because someone just overlooked it.
ipukespiders
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Google logos
Trigonometrize.
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I thought he was just joking in that he photoshopped the picture from the trailer, made it look like a normal image, and jokingly pretended it was his own.
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