Eurogamer: AC art used for Uncharted 4 trailer (Up: Naughty Dog responds)

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I think this art plagiarism question is a interesting one to be discussed, but maybe we need to take it out of this thread to, at least try to, have a decent conversation.

This happened with ND two times and it was discovered, but people acting like only they are possibly guilty of doing something like this are being naive.

We had cases like this and TLOU where some "obscure" assets where used improperly and more blatantly obvious cases like with mobile games (Flappy Bird and super mario pipes).

We had more cases like this before?
 
I could see how that photo could get mixed in with a bunch of photos like this.

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I think in future if they use place holder art for mood or testing or whatever, it should have some sort of colour icon on it or something so whichever next developer or artist works on it, knows it's not permanent and that it needs to be amended.
 
RibMan said:
Agreed. I don't like this culture of "We made an honest mistake and took immediate and professional measures to rectify it". It just screams "Oh look at us trying to do the right thing by apologizing for something that could happen to anyone editing footage without an extensive knowledge of the source material(s)". Naughty Dog should fire their marketing staff, change their name to Well Behaved Dog, and cancel Uncharted 4 over this crime against ahhh I just can't.

I'm 100% biased as I think Naughty Dog are the best developers on console, however, this is one of those cases where the sugar isn't as sweet as you think. If you've ever had to create anything with a group of people, then you would understand how a screw up like this can happen. I think Naughty Dog should take extra measures in the future to make sure this doesn't happen again. With that in mind, nobody should get fired over this. That would be sending a horrific and demoralizing message to their current and future staff i.e. If you make an honest mistake you're gone. Let the responsible parties learn from their one-time mistake!



Apologizing for making a mistake is one of the most moral and human things you can do in life. If you have the time, you should read A Human Being Died That Night. Don't be fooled by the cover or premise of the book. It's a fantastic book that aids in expanding our understanding of morality and forgiveness.
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I'm not arguing against ND here though I've already said that. I'm arguing against the people trying to brush it off like no big deal without knowing if they did something intentional or not just because of who they are. It's the double standard that's obnoxious. I would love to see these same people if some of NDs concepts had been wrongfully used.
 
Rated-G said:
Glad someone's on the money. On the last game I worked on, we had to delay our trailer reveal with Game Informer's site by 3 hours because a layout artist noticed one of the photos in a picture frame was still a picture of the cast of Three's Company, and though we already had what was supposed to be the final art of the main character's family portrait ready to go in the scene, the trailer had been rendered before the change had been applied, and had gone overlooked until nearly the last possible minute.

It's easy for placeholders to slip through the cracks sometimes, and it can happen to anyone on any game. ND made a simple mistake, and rectified it quickly. I'm sure they regret overlooking it and I'm sure the people who were most responsible for replacing that art have already been beating themselves up over it.
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Haha thats great. Yeah it happens all the time. Especially once you get used to an asset because you see it all the time its so easy to overlook it. We had a shot of an airport and the plane had AMERICAN AIRLINES in huge letters on the tail. We had spent all this time editing out Apple logos on ipads and laptops and completely glossed over the 4ft by 4ft AA logo.
 
The apology isn't enough. I'm outraged. Outraged I tell you.

They should give out the game for free or they have lost a long time fan of the franchise here.
 
If it doesn't make it into the final game, would we still consider it stealing? It only made it into a trailer. Can't believe the rump rage over this.
 
msdstc said:
What's my agenda then? Why did I platinum ever UC game on ps3 and ps4 and on vita? Why do I have a lvl 31 trophy level? am I covert operative, working the inside to sink the ship from within? Take this crap elsewhere.
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What is this supposed to mean exactly?

You seem more upset about this than the artist or developers themselves. They apologized, and owned up to the mistake, which puts a wrench in your 'moral' argument.

Maybe you are just too emotionally invested in this, and need to step away and realize, it is done now.
 
msdstc said:
I'm not arguing against ND here though I've already said that. I'm arguing against the people trying to brush it off like no big deal without knowing if they did something intentional or not just because of who they are. It's the double standard that's obnoxious. I would love to see these same people if some of NDs concepts had been wrongfully used.
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You don't like people putting words in your mouth but instantly think that people's reactions would be different if the situation was flipped. Awesome.
 
msdstc said:
I have a right to defend myself if people want to hurl accusations at me.
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that's true but if you're looking for someone to listen to all of your points and then have an entire thread unanimously declare you "not a console warrior" or something then I'm afraid you aren't going to find that on an internet forum.

if the shit bothers you so much then just stop posting in the thread
 
Wow! I went to play SFV for a few hours, come back to GAF and the video is already fixed, re-uploaded and NG apologized (hopefully they did contact Ubisoft internally). What else do people want? Druckmann to set up a press conference and publicly dedicate a 30 minute speech to apologize? Geez.
 
Yurikerr said:
I think this art plagiarism question is a interesting one to be discussed, but maybe we need to take it out of this thread to, at least try to, have a decent conversation.

This happened with ND two times and it was discovered, but people acting like only they are possibly guilty of doing something like this are being naive.

We had cases like this and TLOU where some "obscure" assets where used improperly and more blatantly obvious cases like with mobile games (Flappy Bird and super mario pipes).

We had more cases like this before?
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Also with the increased use of external companies to produce graphical assets, how do you even check for stuff like this? Not like you can have an editor that has literally seen all the art ever made in the world to notice it.
 
NIGHT- said:
Glad Naughty Dog got called out for this, and I'm glad they apologized for their actions.
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This is the perfect long and short for the whole situation.

Instead "lol homage exposure, and even if it wasn't that, ubi should be honored to be in their game"
 
chozen said:
Well normally people would flame, but Naughty Dog gets a free pass as one of the most respected game companies out there... That's just the way it is and it shouldn't be truthfully.
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they get a pass? you realize you're posting in an 30 page thread about the ordeal right?
 
chozen said:
Well normally people would flame, but Naughty Dog gets a free pass as one of the most respected game companies out there... That's just the way it is and it shouldn't be truthfully.
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As this 30 page thread has shown you and the fact the ND re-uploaded the video, they don't get a free pass. What is so hard to get?
 
chozen said:
Well normally people would flame, but Naughty Dog gets a free pass as one of the most respected game companies out there... That's just the way it is and it shouldn't be truthfully.
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That free pass explains all the articles on this...yup.
 
I mean I have no outrage here at all but I assume someone at ND needed some art for a crucial moment in the game and figured "lets just google it?" is that normal practice?

I see no other way they would get ubisoft concept art
 
Naughty Dog: that incredibly talented, prodigious kid who goes ten yards to the touchdown and, in his excitement, accidentally punches a cheerleader. Then he gets another touchdown the next quarter, but slams the football so hard it creates a minature crater. Audience cheers, football ricochets off the ground, and slams a spectator unconscious. Audience gives up, kid apologizes, stadium descends into shouting matches. Kid's team wins. 5 hours later, all teams are gone from the stadium except the audience, now debating if Ameircan football is better than real football.

The next day the kid gets worshiped at school, the losing team accepts defeat, other school teams shrug, others join in the worship, and the cheerleader posse and the spectator's brother grumble a bit but feel a little better after being given flowers and deposited 100 dollars each as compensation. The kid makes a smooth smile at an awestruck bystander, then crashes into a wet floor sign. The bystander sighs admiringly as he recovers smoothly, places the wet floor sign in a more practical place, and walks out the hall.
 
DeepEnigma said:
What is this supposed to mean exactly?

You seem more upset about this than the artist or developers themselves. They apologized, and owned up to the mistake, which puts a wrench in your 'moral' argument.

Maybe you are just too emotionally invested in this, and need to step away and realize, it is done now.
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I get invested in stuff like this and I'm choosing to argue it. If you don't lik it you don't have to read it or respond to it. That being said, my argument is not about this specific piece, but instead the situation at hand, which started out as "who cares naughty dog is awesome" which is the quick and dirty of what was obnoxious about the whole thing. That to me is worse than the dumbasses calling for the game to be canned or delayed. One I believe the person is aware they are doing it (console wars), the other one is bias without the person being able to realize it.

xxracerxx said:
You don't like people putting words in your mouth but instantly think that people's reactions would be different if the situation was flipped. Awesome.
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There's an inherent difference between what the majority of people are going to do and singling people out. There have been some morons from the extreme you like to put me in, but I'm not that guy, you got me pegged 100% wrong.

icespide said:
that's true but if you're looking for someone to listen to all of your points and then have an entire thread unanimously declare you "not a console warrior" or something then I'm afraid you aren't going to find that on an internet forum.

if the shit bothers you so much then just stop posting in the thread
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And if somebody wants to jump to that conclusion then I will call them for it. If you still think that about me you're wrong. Many of the same people who have labeled me in the past are posting in here, I can pull up specific examples and I think that's ridiculous. Games are subject to criticism, not everybody has an agenda to take something down.
 
chozen said:
Well normally people would flame, but Naughty Dog gets a free pass as one of the most respected game companies out there... That's just the way it is and it shouldn't be truthfully.
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So you are upset that there isn't more negativity and faux outrage? Like this place needs more of that.
 
HardRojo said:
As this 30 page thread has shown you and the fact the ND re-uploaded the video, they don't get a free pass. What is so hard to get?
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When you think about it though, 30 pages on a forum from random people and having to change the image and reupload the trailer isn't exactly a scathing ordeal.

If there was a lawsuit involved then I would say otherwise.

This is nothing.
 
icespide said:
they get a pass? you realize you're posting in an 30 page thread about the ordeal right?
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HardRojo said:
As this 30 page thread has shown you and the fact the ND re-uploaded the video, they don't get a free pass. What is so hard to get?
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Though this is a 30 page thread, it could be a 30 page thread of people patting Naughty Dog on the back and saying it's okay. That's what I meant when I replied to the guy who questioned this dude. >

vulva said:
Why are people saying "good on them" for changing out a stolen picture they didn't have the rights to use in the first place and just giving a lip service apology?
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chozen said:
Well normally people would flame, but Naughty Dog gets a free pass as one of the most respected game companies out there... That's just the way it is and it shouldn't be truthfully.
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Well, I guess if a game developer, a company or any individual has an otherwise good and respected reputation, it is easier to forgive them than it would be if they were generally perceived evil and disrespectful.
 
GabeTheGrouch76 said:
Heh! I laugh in the face of Naughty Dog's hastily forged apology and band-aid over their mistake. It's too late for cry sorry now.

Naughty Dog have grown complacent and arrogant in the years of their success, and now their slothfulness has come back to roost in their bowels. Today marks the end of their golden age, the tombstone of their departure from greatness has been planted. Naughty Dog can keep their apology for such a simple and ridiculous oversight. For I behold the studio, blinded by their pride, fall from heaven, like lightning.

The age of Naughty Dog is done.
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10/10
 
FinalStageBoss said:
Omg such controversy.
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ND was in the wrong, it was a mistake, they apologized. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less.

The reason this thread is still going are the
A: people who for whatever reason defend ND even while ND themselves said they were wrong (like come on)
B: people who post "well it's ND so OF COURSE it's OK on here" crap, trying to push the "SonyGAF" rubbish

I hope people are as passionate about politics as they are about art assets in a video game trailer and vote
 
joms5 said:
When you think about it though, 30 pages on a forum from random people and having to change the image and reupload the trailer isn't exactly a scathing ordeal.

If there was a lawsuit involved then I would say otherwise.

This is nothing.
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What do you want them (ND) to do to apologize for their mistake then?
 
PapaJustify said:
Well, I guess if a game developer, a company or any individual has an otherwise good and respected reputation, it is easier to forgive them than it would be if they were generally perceived evil and disrespectful.
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That's a poor line of thinking, especially when its happened twice to ND. As I said before, ND deserves every bit of praise they get, but if they make a mistake they deserve to be criticized.
 
chozen said:
Though this is a 30 page thread, it could be a 30 page thread of people patting Naughty Dog on the back and saying it's okay. That's what I meant when I replied to the guy who questioned this dude. >
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But it isn't, people have called them out and rightfully so. What else do you want? Ubisoft won't sue, do you want to sue them in Ubisoft's place?
 
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