UFC 196 Press Conference, Conor McGregor vs Nate Diaz and Holly Holm vs Meisha Tate

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Ikuu said:
He's right though, McGregor talks big but 2 of his last three opponents are on a weeks notice.
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WTF? This is not true at all.

The Aldo fight lingered for over a year.

The fight in Boston vs. Dennis Siver was announced on Oct. 23, 2014 and the fight took place on Jan 18th, 2015. That's like 12 weeks notice.

Mendez had 12 days, which is closer to two weeks than one.

You are so bad at math, I should ask you if you are doing the Diaz brothers' taxes...
 
-MD- said:
Probably can't fault him for Mendes too much but he admitted he hand picked Diaz when a fresher fighter (Cerrone) was in play.
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He talked a lot of shit about how bad Cowboy was in the title fight. I'm a Cowboy fan but he just didn't show up so I agree with him. I dont think Conor ducked him he just loves money and Diaz will be a bigger pay day.
 
The press, the fans, the money, and the pressure will get to Nate's head.

He'll probably be thinking about buying the biggest bag of weed after the fight that he truly will be KO'd in the 1st.
 
Conor picked Nate because its huge ass money. This presser alone live in the middle of a week day peaked at over 225k live viewers. This PPV will smash its way past 1 million PPV buys. Money talks for McG
 
I wish Nate woulda had a proper camp for Conor, he could take him standing and on the ground.

But he's fucked in this fight, out of shape and will run out of gas, which is bad since the Diaz bros love to make a fight last and wear their opponents out physically and mentally.

UFC chose wisely.
 
VoxPop said:
Dammit Nate can't keep up with Conor's trash talk :(
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I dont even think what he does is trash talk, he just sounds like a drunk dude throwing insults.

Conor trash talks nate is like :

I beat yo fucking ass motherfucker, you on steroids herp derp !!! "
 
Cowboy just fought a few days ago, he'd have to recover from his weight cut, then do another weight cut within two weeks. That'd be nuts. Diaz is fine because they're just going to fight at their walking weight.
 
-MD- said:
Depends which version of Cerrone shows up. I like this Nate matchup better, personally.

Why did you use 5 question marks?
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Why do you care?????

CGwizz said:
I dont even think what he does is trash talk, he just sounds like a drunk dude throwing insults.

Conor trash talks nate is like :

I beat yo fucking ass motherfucker, you on steroids herp derp !!! "
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Well, the steroid comment is no less stupid that saying dos Anjos has a bruise.
 
SubScorpianZero said:
I wish Nate woulda had a proper camp for Conor, he could take him standing and on the ground.

But he's fucked in this fight, out of shape and will run out of gas, which is bad since the Diaz bros love to make a fight last and wear their opponents out physically and mentally.

UFC chose wisely.
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Haha, you're funny. Nate is a trash middle-tier fighter. Always has been, always will be.

CGwizz said:
I dont even think what he does is trash talk, he just sounds like a drunk dude throwing insults.

Conor trash talks nate is like :

I beat yo fucking ass motherfucker, you on steroids herp derp !!! "
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Exactly.
 
Dr.Acula said:
Cowboy just fought a few days ago, he'd have to recover from his weight cut, then do another weight cut within two weeks. That'd be nuts. Diaz is fine because they're just going to fight at their walking weight.
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They are setting up a welterweight championship fight v. Robbie and Nate has to get knocked out for it. They would have picked Nate either way because hes a draw and completely harmless to Conor.

UFC knows how to milk their cash cow.
 
Sato Koiji said:
They are setting up a welterweight championship fight v. Robbie and Nate has to get knocked out for it.

UFC knows how to milk their cash cow.
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And then conor and Robbe fight 5 rounds, conors wins the first 4 then robbie goes to the fifth with rage and just wins fight like last time.
 
alpinestars1980 said:
Haha, you're funny. Nate is a trash middle-tier fighter. Always has been, always will be.
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mid tier fighter that could take Conor, Nate's losses are to wrestlers that were too strong for him, and would wrestle fuck him.

those same people who beat Nate, would tool Conor as well.

Nate has the cardio to last (with a proper camp), good boxing with a reach advantage against Conor (something Conor isn't used to facing), and a superior ground game.


Nate would take Conor with a proper training camp.
 
SubScorpianZero said:
mid tier fighter that could take Conor, Nate's losses are to wrestlers that were too strong for him, and would wrestle fuck him.

those same people who beat Nate, would tool Conor as well.

Nate has the cardio to last (with a proper camp), good boxing with a reach advantage against Conor (something Conor isn't used to facing), and a superior ground game.


Nate would take Conor with a proper training camp.
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He might be able to but I KNOW Nick could.
 
SubScorpianZero said:
mid tier fighter that could take Conor, Nate's losses are to wrestlers that were too strong for him, and would wrestle fuck him.

those same people who beat Nate, would tool Conor as well.

Nate has the cardio to last (with a proper camp), good boxing with a reach advantage against Conor (something Conor isn't used to facing), and a superior ground game.


Nate would take Conor with a proper training camp.
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You're clueless.

Nate has good boxing to go along with terrible footwork and even worse head movement.

Josh Thomson sure wrestled him into oblivion, huh?
 
SubScorpianZero said:
mid tier fighter that could take Conor, Nate's losses are to wrestlers that were too strong for him, and would wrestle fuck him.

those same people who beat Nate, would tool Conor as well.

Nate has the cardio to last (with a proper camp), good boxing with a reach advantage against Conor (something Conor isn't used to facing), and a superior ground game.


Nate would take Conor with a proper training camp.
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You're funny

Nate got knocked the fuck out by Josh Thomson
 
SubScorpianZero said:
mid tier fighter that could take Conor, Nate's losses are to wrestlers that were too strong for him, and would wrestle fuck him.

those same people who beat Nate, would tool Conor as well.

Nate has the cardio to last (with a proper camp), good boxing with a reach advantage against Conor (something Conor isn't used to facing), and a superior ground game.


Nate would take Conor with a proper training camp.
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Lol rather ridiculous but I agree on all of Nate's strengths that you mentioned. But even with that, I still say he only has a slim chance of beating Conor. Nate has terrible footwork and tends to get hit a ton. Conor has far superior fight IQ along with his speed and accuracy. Not to mention the power behind it. I'm sure Nate could eat maybe one or two big ones but eventually he'll crumble which is a hard thing for me to say considering he's one of the most durable guys in the sport.

I have no idea how this fight will go to be honest but I'm sure it'll be awesome.
 
alpinestars1980 said:
You're clueless.

Nate has good boxing to go along with terrible footwork and even worse head movement.

Josh Thompson sure wrestled him into oblivion, huh?
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Gumbie said:
You're funny

Nate got knocked the fuck out by Josh Thomson
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Josh Thompson was running away and avoiding a striking match with Nate. Nate was chasing him the entire match, and again, was taken down and ground and pounded (by a wrestler who could do the same to Conor). He had blood in his eyes and got kicked in the head, leading to his loss.

Conor won't be running away, it's a different match up. Conor has also fought smaller guys his entire time in the UFC. 155+ is an entirely different situation.

He's a good fighter and all, but UFC is protecting their cash cow. They'll have to keep knit picking his opponents to maintain the aura of his invincibility.

Let's see him fight any wrestler. Khabib instantly offered to take this fight, and Dana smartly, quickly shot that down.
 
SubScorpianZero said:
Josh Thompson was running away and avoiding a striking match with Nate. Nate was chasing him the entire match, and again, was taken down and ground and pounded (by a wrestler who could do the same to Conor). He had blood in his eyes and got kicked in the head, leading to his loss.

Conor won't be running away, it's a different match up. Conor has also fought smaller guys his entire time in the UFC. 155+ is an entirely different situation.

He's a good fighter and all, but UFC is protecting their cash cow. They'll have to keep knit picking his opponents to maintain the aura of his invincibility.

Let's see him fight any wrestler. Khabib instantly offered to take this fight, and Dana smartly, quickly shot that down.
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I want him to fight Edgar.

Not saying Conor is afraid of him but I wouldn't think he'd be at the top of the list of guys Lord and Savior Conor would want to face.
 
SubScorpianZero said:
Josh Thompson was running away and avoiding a striking match with Nate. Nate was chasing him the entire match, and again, was taken down and ground and pounded (by a wrestler who could do the same to Conor). He had blood in his eyes and got kicked in the head, leading to his loss.

Conor won't be running away, it's a different match up. Conor has also fought smaller guys his entire time in the UFC. 155+ is an entirely different situation.

He's a good fighter and all, but UFC is protecting their cash cow. They'll have to keep knit picking his opponents to maintain the aura of his invincibility.

Let's see him fight any wrestler. Khabib instantly offered to take this fight, and Dana smartly, quickly shot that down.
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The only thing you've said that is correct is about Khabib.
 
Ikuu said:
He's right though, McGregor talks big but 2 of his last three opponents are on a weeks notice.
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Because guys like Douche Anjos don't show up. When guys have a full camp like Aldo did the result is no different.

Here is what I hope happens.. Conor beats Nate and goes against Lawler for the 170 belt. Meantime they book RDA against Kabib and Kabib takes his belt. RDA never gets another chance to fight Conor.
 
alpinestars1980 said:
The only thing you've said that is correct is about Khabib.
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everything I said is true dude.

josh thompson was also a wrestler that could take down Conor.

Go watch that Diaz vs Thompson fight again, see how it went down.



Dana is even avoiding letting Conor fight Edgar because he's afraid of the possible wrestle fucking he'd take. And he's a featherweight...
 
SubScorpianZero said:
mid tier fighter that could take Conor, Nate's losses are to wrestlers that were too strong for him, and would wrestle fuck him.
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Nope. Nate Diaz's last five losses in reverse order:

RDA beat Nate on the feet, with leg kicks, primarily. He also dominated striking at striking distance. He tripled Diaz's output of significant strikes on the feet at striking distance.

Josh Thompson beat Nate standing, scoring a KO on the feet with a head kick followed by punches. He also peppered Diaz with leg kicks early. In the KO, Diaz was really out before he hit the ground.

Benson Henderson beat Diaz up on the feet in striking range, scoring 5x more significant strikes in that position. Nate's greatest striking success in the fight came from the clinch.

Rory McDonald had over twice as many significant strikes at striking distance than Diaz, with Diaz again only finding good success in the clinch, where McDonald eventually took him down with thunderous slams and pounded him on the ground.

Dong Hyun Kim also outstruck Diaz from striking distance, and also used leg kicks to great advantage. Diaz's best stuff again was in the clinch.

(All stats cited, via fightmetric)
 
Pristine_Condition said:
Nope. Nate Diaz's last five losses in reverse order:

RDA beat Nate on the feet, with leg kicks, primarily. He also dominated striking at striking distance. He tripled Diaz's output of significant strikes on the feet at striking distance.

Josh Thompson beat Nate standing, scoring a KO on the feet with a head kick followed by punches. He also peppered Diaz with leg kicks early. In the KO, Diaz was really out before he hit the ground.

Benson Henderson beat Diaz up on the feet in striking range, scoring 5x more significant strikes in that position. Nate's greatest striking success in the fight came from the clinch.

Rory McDonald had over twice as many significant strikes at striking distance than Diaz, with Diaz again only finding good success in the clinch, where McDonald eventually took him down with thunderous slams and pounded him on the ground.

Dong Hyun Kim also outstruck Diaz from striking distance, and also used leg kicks to great advantage. Diaz's best stuff again was in the clinch.

(All stats cited, via fightmetric)
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When you're a boxer fighting people with take down ability, it changes the game. All those guys you mentioned are fantastic grapplers. You have to be cautious with what you throw, fearing the take down. The wrestlers? Not so much, they can let their hands go.


Every single one of those guys you listed would destroy Conor.


Conor vs Diaz plays out differently since Nate doesn't have to worry about a takedown. It's a striking match, and one where COnor has the size disadvantage (which is a first for him). But again, that short notice changes things, even at the press conference you already had Nate sorta making the excuse of only having a few days to train. That doesn't bode too well.


Edit: and fighter metric counts strikes from the ground as well. So of course they would have a higher metric.
 
SubScorpianZero said:
When you're a boxer fighting people with take down ability, it changes the game. All those guys you mentioned are fantastic grapplers. You have to be cautious with what you throw, fearing the take down. The wrestlers? Not so much, they can let their hands go.


Every single one of those guys you listed would destroy Conor.


Conor vs Diaz plays out differently since Nate doesn't have to worry about a takedown. It's a striking match, and one where COnor has the size disadvantage (which is a first for him). But again, that short notice changes things, even at the press conference you already had Nate sorta making the excuse of only having a few days to train. That doesn't bode too well.
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Dude, you've got an excuse for everything.
 
SubScorpianZero said:
When you're a boxer fighting people with take down ability, it changes the game. All those guys you mentioned are fantastic grapplers. You have to be cautious with what you throw, fearing the take down. The wrestlers? Not so much, they can let their hands go.\
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The problem is, as the stats show, Nate tends to get schooled on the feet at striking distance in those losses. He's only good in the clinch in those fights, which is a dumb-as-fuck place to be against anybody with takedowns.

If Nate is such a great boxer, why is his output at striking distance so shit? That's where you should be peppering "wrestlers," especially if you are long like Diaz.

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SubScorpianZero said:
Edit: and fighter metric counts strikes from the ground as well. So of course they would have a higher metric
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I only counted the stats FROM STRIKING DISTANCE ON THE FEET, silly person. Please read the posts you are replying to. Fightmetric breaks down strikes from the feet in striking distance, the clinch, and on the ground. None of the stats I referenced were in regards to ground strikes.
 
i hope conor continues to ride high on his wins.

his trash-talk is god tier. reminds me of Ali most definitely (just the insults part I mean)

edit: diaz's 'midget-weight division' was pretty hilarious too
 
This fight seems tailor made for Conor! Diaz stands still, takes shots and doesn't use kicks a whole bunch. Unless the reach advantage is too much for McGregor, or he just can't knock out Diaz I don't see McGregor loosing the fight. I don't think Diaz is even rated in the top ten for the welterweight division.
 
Bubba_Sparks said:
This fight seems tailor made for Conor! Diaz stands still, takes shots and doesn't use kicks a whole bunch. Unless the reach advantage is too much for McGregor, or he just can't knock out Diaz I don't see McGregor loosing the fight. I don't think Diaz is even rated in the top ten for the welterweight division.
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He's rated 5 but in the lightweight division.
 
SubScorpianZero said:
They'll have to keep knit picking his opponents to maintain the aura of his invincibility.
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This is the sort of statement that simply causes me to facepalm when I read.
Chad Mendes, Jose Aldo, Rafael dos Anjos. Who exactly do the UFC need to match him up with before people like you will stop saying that he is being protected? Seriously it's starting to get extremely repetitive.
As for Nate Diaz, as was pointed out earlier in this thread - he clearly doesn't seem to care about whether or not he wins this fight, he half admitted he could lose this fight at least twice. Money was his motivation behind this.
 
Pristine_Condition said:
The problem is, as the stats show, Nate tends to get schooled on the feet at striking distance in those losses. He's only good in the clinch in those fights, which is a dumb-as-fuck place to be against anybody with takedowns.

If Nate is such a great boxer, why is his output at striking distance so shit? That's where you should be peppering "wrestlers," especially if you are long like Diaz.

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I only counted the stats FROM STRIKING DISTANCE ON THE FEET, silly person. Please read the posts you are replying to. Fightmetric breaks down strikes from the feet in striking distance, the clinch, and on the ground. None of the stats I referenced were in regards to ground strikes.
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By no means did I say Diaz is the best boxer in the UFC. I said he is a GOOD boxer.

A good boxer that will have a reach advantage against Conor, something he hasn't faced yet.

Someone who is actually bigger than him, with a longer reach, and the taller man. Someone who could also possibly take him down. Nate is usually the smaller guy in all his fights.


Rory Macdonald, RDA, Dong Hyun Kim, Ben Henderson, and even Josh Thompson would all handle Conor, imo. They have the size advantage, the strength advantage, and could take him down at will.

Your fighter metrics don't change my opinion on the situation. I'm not a fan of fighter metrics, stats don't tell the whole picture when you don't watch the fight. It doesn't answer the questions as to what led to those circumstances.


Yeoman said:
This is the sort of statement that simply causes me to facepalm when I read.
Chad Mendes, Jose Aldo, Rafael dos Anjos. Who exactly do the UFC need to match him up with before people like you will stop saying that he is being protected? Seriously it's starting to get extremely repetitive.
As for Nate Diaz, as was pointed out earlier in this thread - he clearly doesn't seem to care about whether or not he wins this fight, he half admitted he could lose this fight at least twice. Money was his motivation behind this.
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Jose Aldo is a good match up for Conor, it's a guaranteed striking war. Mendes has been the only wrestler he has fought, and got tooled for the entire first round, until Mendes gassed out from having just about 2 weeks notice to fight.

RDA was going to be an amazing fight, and I'm bummed that didn't get to play out. It would have truly showed what Conor is made of, since RDA is an amazing grappler, along with being a weight class above.
 
Wished it was Cowboy, but that would have been crazier than Diaz taking it on this short of notice, coming off of a fight just a week ago.
 
Calling it now. Diaz will knock Conor out. This has upset written all over it and I am thinking about laying down bank on it. A lot of bank.
 
OpinionatedCyborg said:
I hope so. We're due for a death in the UFC, and I'd prefer Conor die instead of one of the humans.
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I love Conor. But this has upset written all over it and HUGE money can be made. If I am wrong, then fuck it. I just think it is going to be one of 'them' nights. We shall see and here I go.

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ironcreed said:
Calling it now. Diaz will knock Conor out. This has upset written all over it and I am thinking about laying down bank on it. A lot of bank.
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It's very possible and i'm kinda pulling for Nate, but he just seems like one of those guys who's destined to never win the big one. The Diaz Brothers' greatest strength is also their greatest weakness, they don't give a fuck. Nate will be game, but he's had no training camp and is probably just happy to get this paycheck more than anything.

I think he'll either dominate or have a giant letdown of a performance.
 
BadAss2961 said:
It's very possible and i'm kinda pulling for Nate, but he just seems like one of those guys who's destined to never win the big one. The Diaz Brothers' greatest strength is also their greatest weakness, they don't give a fuck. Nate will be game, but he's had no training camp and is probably just happy to get this paycheck more than anything.

I think he'll either dominate or have a giant letdown of a performance.
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Not GIVING A FUCK is exactly why I think Nate stands a great chance of knocking an over confident guy like Conor out. It happens to them all and Nate is just badass and aggressive enough to be absolute kryptonite. Conor is in more trouble than he thinks and that is why he is due to lose.
 
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