I don't see a lot of console gamers willing to enter a console upgrade contract plan.
Microsoft unifying PC/XB1 platforms, Phil implies Xbox moving to incremental upgrades
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I don't see a lot of console gamers willing to enter a console upgrade contract plan.
Dev's aren't going to talk...any that have any knowledge about it are all nda'ed to the hilt
we will have to wait until they release more info
CyclopsRock
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I think that's a sufficiently different market, though. It was so different to what came before that there was a flurry of new ideas that required more and more powerful. As the market saturated I think all the quick succession of new ideas for things we could do with them were "used up" and they come much slower now, thus the demand for more and faster has gone down. This isn't really the case with games because developers can always helpfully use more power, even if it's for "simple" stuff like a better frame rate, resolution or AA (to say nothing of better gameplay ideas that require more power, which I guess fall into a similar category to the above with smart phones).
Right. And people wouldn't have to upgrade every single upgrade. There's newer and powerful laptops and tabs that come out yearly. Doesn't mean you have to upgrade.
Ninja Scooter
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Me? Maybe. The general public who all just bought a shit ton of ps4s over the last year and a half? Hell fucking no. What logical sense would it make for Sony to even introduce a revision when their current console is selling so well?
Yeah of course, no dev would speak on this.
But a wishful anonymous opinion or something dropping would be cool haha
Graphics Horse
Member
That's fine, I think XBO sales were going to start heading down the toilet this year anyway. But if you think selling the exact same thing for another 5 years will work better, fair enough.
Console market did not have the enormous boom to come down from like iDevices have.
that's not what I was saying at all, I'm currently mulling over this whole Xbox upgrade thing. I was merely saying that consumers aren't upgrading tablets like you were saying they do
Ninja Scooter
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Creating upgraded hardware and developing for a now fragmented user base costs lots and lots of money. It would have to make financial sense for them to do it. I don't see how this mode makes any sense in the home console market, where companies like Sony and ms are barely (if at all) making any money on hardware to begin with.
Malcolm9
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No, I'd prefer they stuck to the current PS4.
It would severely fragment the console user base, alongside developers having to do more work to allow the game to run across multiple sku's.
I just don't see something like this working in my view, it would confuse the hell out of the casual crowd as well.
But a ton of people still haven't bought it yet and I'm sure a ton of day 1 buyers would. If not this year then next. If something is more powerful you'll always want it. Doesn't matter if it's selling well for Sony, don't you as a buyer want options?
The market tells us to think this way. The comparison is fair enough. Contracts last two years and after that they ask for an upgrade. Similar to consoles, every 5 years is when we expect an upgrade, because that is how it has always been. I have had this iPhone 5 for 3 years going for 4, going to only upgrade when the 7 comes out. Still works great, most apps still work, why upgrade? Only reason is the new shiny thing on the market.
If they do it, it will be interesting at the very least. Will they release 3 versions from the beginning, that lasts a whole generation or over a period. Consoles are meant to last a whole gen, so for the less rich, we could have the base model and a high end, super expensive console. Over the gen the more expensive version gets cheaper and more affordable.
TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared
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That sounds expensive.
I like that MS is doing this so I don't have to buy an xbox for exclusives. Though they need to get UWA to support the things missing (even other stores like uplay and origin have these) . Gonna wait and see how this plays out by the end of this year. Maybe buy some if they do a summer sale on PC.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Exactly. When something is selling so well, it has no need to update with more powerful hardware, when something is not selling so in market share, well...
Daffy Duck
Member
Then the industry is dead.
I think a lot of retailers -- in different countries -- are not going to sell through their Xbox stock as fast as you believe. Keep in mind their competitors are going to react to as many of their bundles and promotions as possible, making sell-through more difficult for the Xbox. I think they have their work cut out for them.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
And in the case of iOS at least, progressively more sluggish.
Exactly! Welcome to perma cross gen folks.....next gen is truly here!
or we just fuck over previous users consoles and X game only works with Revision 3, 4, etc.
IF (big IF) you could get a commitment and a roadmap for hardware revisions from MS (even though it's under NDA) then all the big engine builders could be one step ahead of the game. Every 3 years X is going to happen with the performance.
The workflows shouldn't change dramatically as long as the architecture is set (which is pretty much x86 / direct x at this point).
It's a heck of a lot easier to develop for a known future, and not some "who only knows what Nintendo / MS / Sony is going to do with their next hardware revision".
You can even be much more forward thinking with your engine; aka Crysis which played like shit (on max settings) until years later when the hardware caught up.
tiebreaker
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Most of the exclusives are also coming to Windows 10... At this point, why would anyone buy a PC with subscriptions fee to play online over a PC with free online??
Ninja Scooter
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This is not true, like, at all. Look at the tablet market for proof. What I want doesn't really matter if it's not viable for Sony or Microsoft, which is what we are discussing. I want a lot of things, doesn't mean it makes sense for them to happen.
SneakersSO
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No, that will not work. Unless the APU is exactly the same as the X1 but with beefier specs, the games WILL NOT run natively. The devs will have to specifically code the game to work on the newer machine. It will be a completely different product development pipeline.
Emulation on the Xbox two for Xbox One games could work, but thats if they can make their emulation system run that well. If they are asking developers to support another machine, one with a non-existent install base that has been eaten into, then they have another thing coming for them.
cantthink9
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Can they just make the UI not shitty as fuck cause it really is lol
Well, unless you want them to up the price by a lot, this would be a huge money sink. And most people aren't really willing to spend more than 300 dollars on a gaming console, even it has "windows 10 apps"
Uno Venova
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It just seems like once again companies and a few hardcore gamers want a shake up in a market where traditional console still seems to be what people want the most.
what if Sony came out and said they're making a new PS4 that is more powerful and you don't need a breakout box for VR. or one that could do 4K.
That doesn't invalidate the current PS4 it just means you don't need additional hardware and you get new stuff without an entirely new generation. I think that's better than the status quo where we all sit around and wait years for new features.
Because MS just released a new Xbox revision that outperforms the PS4 and with better graphics.
MAX PAYMENT
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This sounds awesome.
Obliterator
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The key thing to remember is everything being both forward and backwards compatible. You dont lose much by waiting for an upgrade but if you want to be on the bleeding edge you can be. Nintendo has been hinting for a while at multiple form factors and iOS styled compatibility for a while with NX as well. Sony likely will have upgraded PS4 hardware in some form or another in the next couple years as well.
Ol No Bones
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Will a mod please do me a favor and just go ahead and Permaban me? Too many people go way out of their way to make news seem negative and I think it will be better for me to just not be a member. Thanks.
What doesn't make sense? To give you more options? As a consumer that's what I want.
You put PC twice.
You can also add that games on Xbone will generally play at 900p at cinematic 24 fps, and depending on the port on PC it will run at smooth on a generous rig at 1080p at 60fps.
And potentially much more expensive.
This. It has to be better than being locked to 10 year old hardware like like gen. Urg that was a nightmare.
E3 2016 just got a hell of a lot more interesting. Will they make a slim Xbox One and keep these plans for next gen? Or will they upgrade the Xbox One now, have it match PS4 performance while keeping same price, move the first version to $249. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm....
Huh? What in the world?
You've been continuously interjecting your own interpretation of this news onto other people. This is a discussion bro, keep up. We simply don't know what this means exactly.
Mass_Pincup
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Looks like the XB1 will be my first and last Microsoft console. Not supporting them ever again.
Graphics Horse
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I might have got me wires crossed with my original reply, sorry. I don't think people should feel the need to upgrade tablets for years, that's a good thing. It's better than buying a console in 2012 and finding out a whole new generation is coming that leaves you behind the next year.
Malcolm9
Member
Having more options isn't always a good thing you know, sometimes less is better.
In this case the latter is definitely more appealing. If people want a bigger range of options buy a PC.
The key is that you don't spend billions of dollars on kinect and / or strange controllers. You release the same thing over and over with better specs. Devs know what to build for and don't have to go out of their way to support company X's light saber adapter.
Ninja Scooter
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Creating those options can cost money, and it might not be financially viable for a company to sink that kind of money into something. It's not a particularly tough concept to grasp. I'd like a ps4 that plays PS3 games natively and has a flashlight built into the controller, but I can also totally understand why it might not make any financial sense for Sony to create and release that ps4, because doing so costs them money. Lots and lots of money.
ooobazinga
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How would this even work practically for xbox one? For the next xbox if they design it to be upgradable plug and play style then fine. Surely for xbox one the only way they can do it is make you buy the whole console again.
Ol No Bones
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It is. I just don't want to be tempted to be a part of it. Please help mod quickly!!!
It's just a discussion
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
Can't tell if this is sarcasm.
You should be more tired that Microsoft keep flip-flopping their near-future strategy.
This reads like astroturfing.
What's plug and play about having to research how well a launch system plays games from 4 years after launch?
You'll have N64 Expansion Pak like compatibility tables on the back of game boxes.
But I don't want the hassle. I like plug and play and a OS that is centered around gaming.
Why is less options a good thing?