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[HazySaiyan]

It's funny how GGer's weren't concerned about all the child pornography that was being posted on 8chan and a lot of them were actually defending it. It's almost as if there's some sort of ulterior motive involved, but that's probably me just being cynical!

God I wish this 'movement' would just die already. It's an absolute cancer on the gaming community and is without a doubt the worst thing that's ever happened to it.

 

[Gnome Scat]

What the fuck?

 

[10k]

nowhere in those posts does she say it's ok for adults to have sex with minors

i disagree with the top right one, unless she's referring to a specific case and the "guy" she's referring to is like 19 or something

otherwise it's utterly ridiculous to call her a pedo or pedo enabler based on that

Dude, you're arguing with a guy with

On their twitter and who makes vids on youtube about his pathetic movement like it's a thing.

Weren't these guys proud to depict themselves as supposedly "sex positive"? And they're seriously panicking over this? I mean, have no problem believing most of them never had sex before 18, but this outrage goes against what they pretended to be about previously.

(lol, why do I always act as if there was any logic or coherence to their misogynistic which hunt...)

EDIT: Oh boy, didn't see the account description. These guys really are proud to be human trash, it's quite something...

I've never seen such blatant selective quoting. Take notice the highlight in the top right, folks. The highlighted part says:

"Men who like kids"

WHOA.

The real quote is

"men who like kids/kid things"

Oh... And in context of the full quote:

"Don't hate on sex workers, furries, women with big boobs, men who like kids/kid things, ppl who like pop music, romance plots etc."

...is even more harmless and is something we could all hopefully rally around as a positive, progressive view.

This is what I meant before that she speaks often about acceptance. So many people are tuning in just now and are missing what she has been speaking to for a long time. Part of the message has been she doesn't want judgement cast on people and would rather have more acceptance. Acceptance for body types, acceptance of gender or gender-fluidity, even acceptance of allowing men to not be so institutionally "masculine". This is just ripe for selective quoting in a bumbling attempt at character assassination.

Great notes, KojiKnight.

Oh he was blatantly ignorant. You can read our convo together on Twitter if you want lol. Blatant name calling and accusations, fallacies all over the place. It was quite amusing.

 

[News Bot]

Anyone involved in "Gamergate" is a lunatic. I really can't rationalize this shit any other way.

 

[rhandino]

Really disgusting.

But why I am shocked? She was already the target for this vile people during the first Treehouse streams becuase she dared to have tattoos and now it makes more sense why some suspects members where dropping her name in the Xenoblade, Fatal Frame and Fire Emblem threads.

Ugh ugh ugh

EDIT: I hope this doesnt affect the Treehouse streams they do during some events =/

 

[Battlechili]

I think you're far too quick to blame GG for this. Many "GGers" were/are against this whole idea. Rather, I think its just some people who were upset by the comments made by this employee with regards to her writings about child pornography laws or something like that. Or at least that's my understanding of it.
Also I think OP that you're being too one-sided. You should at least put explanations as to why anti-sex traffickers might be upset with her.

It's funny how GGer's weren't concerned about all the child pornography that was being posted on 8chan and a lot of them were actually defending it. It's almost as if there's some sort of ulterior motive involved, but that's probably me just being cynical!

Different people have different views on a topic and no one singular entity/group has people with universal views on a subject

 

[Vamphuntr]

This GG stuff keeps getting worse. So that lady works at treehouse which the GG people are angry at because they censored the creepy stuff in FE fates and edited the support conversations with little kids so they they imply less romantic and sexual stuff. They are now accusing her of being a pedophile because of a thesis she wrote in college? The very same people angry at censoring the creepy stuff some involving young children? What??

 

[SturokBGD]

Many "GGers" were/are against this whole idea.

Who gives a fuck, they're still part of a disgusting hate movement.

 

[entremet]

This is why you don't take thesis quotes out of context. A thesis is a long form written argument. Reading things out of context is intellectually dishonest.

I hate this soundbite culture we've created.

 

[TheJollyCorner]

I hope Alison makes it through this ok. This is terrible.


Bunch of fucking scumbags...

 

[Blackthorn]

I feel so bad for someone who becomes a harassment target. Regardless of what happens professionally (hopefully only support from Nintendo), this shit's gonna be swarming her online life for months, maybe years.

What a total lack of empathy these people have.

 

[Palette Swap]

Gamergate + protest from an anti-sex traffcking organization + child pornography + Nintendo

Nintendo PR guy needs a raise after this.

And a huge drink before.

Then again, if you're a PR person and are unlucky enough to have your organization a target (even collateral) of GG's colossal idiocy, you will need a drink anyway.
Unless you're an asshole from Play Asia, then you'll feel right at home.

 

[Battlechili]

Who gives a fuck, they're still part of a disgusting hate movement.

The OP/article blames a group for doing something bad when the group itself is split on the issue and not actually to blame for it on the larger scale of things, or at least can't be entirely blamed for such a thing. Its being disingenous, that's why people should, well, "give a fuck". Its inaccurate and is just looking for something easy and popular to point a finger at.

Being part of a disgusting group is unrelated to the events at large, and on another note it too easily paints a black and white picture, which is almost never the case with these sorts of things.

 

[JasoNsider]

I think you're far too quick to blame GG for this. Many "GGers" were/are against this whole idea. Rather, I think its just some people who were upset by the comments made by this employee with regards to her writings about child pornography laws or something like that. Or at least that's my understanding of it.
Also I think OP that you're being too one-sided. You should at least put explanations as to why anti-sex traffickers might be upset with her.Different people have different views on a topic and no one singular entity/group has people with universal views on a subject

GG is as concrete or liquid as is covenient for them in any given situation. Saying some GGers are against a particular thing means nothing at this point. They decide to say "that's not us" to whatever makes their case stronger, meanwhile stoking the flames on overdrive in their back-room dwellings. Since the beginning this has been their mode of operation - harass and deny/disperse as necessary.

 

[A Link to the Past]

I think you're far too quick to blame GG for this. Many "GGers" were/are against this whole idea. Rather, I think its just some people who were upset by the comments made by this employee with regards to her writings about child pornography laws or something like that. Or at least that's my understanding of it.
Also I think OP that you're being too one-sided. You should at least put explanations as to why anti-sex traffickers might be upset with her.Different people have different views on a topic and no one singular entity/group has people with universal views on a subject

Anyone in GG deserves to be raked over the coals. A good person in the Klan is a shithead. A good person in GamerGate is a shithead. You either take the brunt of criticism that GG gets or you stop being in a hate group.

 

[mbpm1]

Being part of a disgusting group is unrelated to the events at large,

That's almost never unrelated. Although it's not the whole story either perhaps.

Also lol @ the guy above me's avatar

 

[Deleted member 126221]

The OP/article blames a group for doing something bad when the group itself is split on the issue and not actually to blame for in on the larger scale. Its being disingenous, that's why people should, well, "give a fuck".

Being part of a disgusting group is unrelated to the events at large, and on another note it too easily paints a black and white picture, which is almost never the case with these sorts of things.

Please explain the nuances to us. I'm sure it's gonna be on-point, considering you don't even seem to know what the "incriminating" thesis paper contained.

 

[Foxtastical]

I wish I knew more about this, this is super weird.

What's the point of all this? Does any of this really matter? Why go out and do so much work to try and hurt someone? Genuinely interested, but I don't have the time to research a bunch of stuff.

 

[A Link to the Past]

That's almost never unrelated. Although it's not the whole story eithe perhaps..

Yup. GG has been targeting Rapp long before this, and pre-GG she was a target of GG before GG had a name!

Seriously, it's embarrassing to see people trying to give GG a fair shake

Also lol @ the guy above me's avatar

Undertale fans sure are trash

 

[aeolist]

The OP/article blames a group for doing something bad when the group itself is split on the issue and not actually to blame for it on the larger scale of things, or at least can't be entirely blamed for such a thing. Its being disingenous, that's why people should, well, "give a fuck". Its inaccurate and is just looking for something easy and popular to point a finger at.

Being part of a disgusting group is unrelated to the events at large, and on another note it too easily paints a black and white picture, which is almost never the case with these sorts of things.

gamergate has eaten itself alive since the inception with countless incidents of infighting and backstabbing, keeping track of that garbage is a fool's errand. if the group going after rapp identify as gamergate (they do) then it's fine to call them out when they use disingenuous arguments about fairly innocuous quotes taken entirely out of context (they are).

 

[Vamphuntr]

The OP/article blames a group for doing something bad when the group itself is split on the issue and not actually to blame for in on the larger scale. Its being disingenous, that's why people should, well, "give a fuck".

Being part of a disgusting group is unrelated to the events at large, and on another note it too easily paints a black and white picture, which is almost never the case with these sorts of things.

It's extremely related to the event considering their background. It's a group that is known to twist facts like in the case of Zoe Quinn only to achieve their warped version of justice. They once again twisted facts from her thesis so they can attack her by manipulating some anti-sex-trafficking organization. It's their traditional MO and their purpose is to destroy people for stupid selfish reason like censoring creepy stuff in games or being a women in the videogame industry. That some people in the group don't approve it doesn't matter much, people in this group have been constantly doing this thing. If you don't approve you leave these people. That's all.

 

[Nairume]

The OP/article blames a group for doing something bad when the group itself is split on the issue and not actually to blame for it on the larger scale of things, or at least can't be entirely blamed for such a thing. Its being disingenous, that's why people should, well, "give a fuck". Its inaccurate and is just looking for something easy and popular to point a finger at.

Being part of a disgusting group is unrelated to the events at large, and on another note it too easily paints a black and white picture, which is almost never the case with these sorts of things.

I'm sure there are also some members of the KKK that are disagree with the more extreme things carried out by members of the organization and only just want to peacefully participate in a racist organization that promotes awful things. It's not all black and white when it comes to the KKK after all!

 

[dLMN8R]

I'll just refer back to the post I made a while ago. Note that this is a year and a half old and GamerGate has done a lot of other awful shit since then. I just wrote this post more "in the moment" as the harassment movement was still developing, to help people new to the topic understand what it was as clearly as possible.

To be absolutely crystal clear, before pasting that old post: The "GamerGate" term was coined by actor Adam Baldwin in response to a completely debunked video which alleged that Zoe Quinn slept with people to get favorable coverage of her indie game that she released for free while she took donations for the game, most of which she gave to charity.

If that single sentence doesn't really sink in for you exactly what's going on here, probably nothing will. People think she slept with people for coverage. Of a game she's not making money off of. Because.....<reasons>?


But alas, my post:

GamerGate's original claims are that Zoe Quinn slept around for coverage favors. This was debunked literally months ago. And yet it persists.

• Kotaku shows that Nathan never wrote the articles he was accused of writing

  On March 31, Nathan published the only Kotaku article he's written involving Zoe Quinn. It was about Game Jam, a failed reality show that Zoe and other developers were upset about being on. At the time, Nathan and Zoe were professional acquaintances. He quoted blog posts written by Zoe and others involved in the show. Shortly after that, in early April, Nathan and Zoe began a romantic relationship. He has not written about her since. Nathan never reviewed Zoe Quinn's game Depression Quest, let alone gave it a favorable review.

• Rock Paper Shotgun: This is the only article Nathan ever wrote on Rock Paper Shotgun that mentioned Depression quest.
• GamerGate has not provided any other evidence to back up this assertion
• Even though Nathan Grayson is the journalist accused of this unethical behavior (and he never actually wrote the articles he was accused of writing), and GamerGate insisting this is about "ethics in journalism", they can't seem to stop talking about Zoe Quinn (not a journalist) and Anita Sarkeesian (also not a journalist)

Other bullshit about Zoe Quinn

• Zoe Quinn was and still is today regularly accused of doxxing herself.
• Zoe Quinn was and still is today accused of faking death, rape, and other threats.
• Zoe Quinn doesn't actually sell the game she's accused of sleeping around to get coverage of. It's a free game about Depression, called Depression Quest, created to help others learn to live and deal with the disease. She does take donations, and was accused of lying about giving those donations to charity. However, the charity confirmed the donations were actually received
• When accusations of those lies first arose, GamerGate started donating to that charity in her place. After the charity confirmed receiving the donations, GamerGate started harassing the charity and threatening it with legal action because they claim they "didn't disclose publicly" they had received donations from her (even though that is not actuall illegal). This is a charity is made up of volunteers and a part-time paid intern, helping people deal with depression
• Zoe Quinn is frequently accused of winning an award (instead of Papers Please) for Depression Quest because she slept with someone. In actuality, her game didn't receive an award, but just an honorable mention. Papers Please did indeed win the award. No evidence backs up the claim she slept with someone to get the....honorable mention.
• Zoe Quinn was accused to have "deliberately sabotaged, DDOSed, doxxed, and shut down" TFYC ("The Fine Young Capitalists") because they were "competition" for Rebel Game Jam. The reality is that it's yet another bunch of bullshit accusations against her.

Other bullshit about Anita Sarkeesian

• Anita Sarkeesian was similarly accused of faking threats. Still happens regularly.
• The FBI confirmed the threats were real, currently under investigation.
• Anita Sarkeesian needed to cancel an appearance for a talk at a university because of extremely specific and violent threats against her and the students.
• Reminder: Anita Sarkeesian is not a journalist. She makes videos about video games, and that's it. Any attack on Anita Sarkeesian masquerading as "a fight for ethics in journalism" is automatically and instantly misplaced.

Even more bullshit

• There is a mailing list in which games writers talk to each other. Warning: Breitbart link. This fact was presented as inherently controversial, but not really explained why. Absolutely nothing worthy of discussion was ever found on this mailing list. Just people who happen to share the same job, joking with each other, and asking each other uncontroversial questions.
• One frequent accusation of journalist collusion is that there was a collected and coordinated effort to write "gamers are dead" articles to attack gamers. In actuality:
  • The first article, written by Leigh Alexander, was targeted at developers (the audience of Gamasutra), explaining how the gamer stereotype no longer has to be their focus, since games are so much broader. She wasn't attacking gamers, she was attacking the outdated stereotype
  • The subsequent articles are all related to and reactions of the first, not indepedent takes at a coincidental time indicating collusion.
  • Rock Paper Shotgun is often accused to have written their own "Gamers are dead" article. They didn't. They quoted one in a weekly round-up.
• Jenn Frank was accused of failing to disclose a conflict of interest. She actually did disclose this in her initial draft, but before publication this was "removed by editors because [it] did not fulfill the criteria for a “significant connection” in line with the Guardian’s editorial guidelines."
• Maya Kramer was accused of colluding/sleeping with the IGF chairman to secure an award for The Stanley Parable, a game she'd done PR for. This award was actually the Audience Award, and is decided by a public vote on the website and consequently immune to this alleged impropriety.
• Phil Fish, developer of the game Fez, is acused to have fixed the IGF 2012 awards. But while Fez's backers were part of the judges, they did not actually have a say in the vote since they weren't a part of the jury that makes the decision.
• The Escapist ran a horribly misguided attempt at interviewing GamerGate supporters who are developers. Pretty much everything that could have gone wrong, did go wrong.
  • Titles of the articles are "game developers" and "female game developers". Um. What?
  • None of the female game developers felt safe to share their actual identities
  • The questions are ridiculously loaded
  • The male game developers were sourced straight from 4chan...you'll never guess what happened next
  • One of the male developers interviewed was directly involved in coordinated attacks against Zoe Quinn, Anita Sarkeesian, and others including baseless accusations like tax fraud.

So what is GamerGate, in actuality?

• It's a carefully coordinated attack on women in gaming, orchestrated by the underbelly of 4chan, deliberately masquerading itself as a "concern about ethics in game journalism" because that's the only way it would gather mainstream support
• It's an attack on ethical journalism, the exact thing they have claimed to fight for:

  ]1) The main target of #GamerGate is not a journalist. She’s a video game developer. Holding her accountable for “ethics in journalism” is like telling your accountant that it’s his job to negotiate peace treaties in the Middle East.
  
  2) The second biggest target of #GamerGate is an exemplar of clean journalism. If what you don’t like about gaming journalism is that it’s too cozy with the industry and therefore the writers are afraid to be critical, then your fucking hero should be Anita Sarkeesian. She funded herself with Kickstarter and not industry money. She is harshly critical of video games, even as she is a fan. She is the ideal of what a critical gaming journalist should be: Knowledgeable, critical, fair, thorough and utterly non-corrupt.
  
  3) The biggest victory to date of #GamerGate has been an attack on ethical journalism. One of the most important ideas when it comes to ethical journalism is that there’s a wall between advertising and editorial. #GamerGaters hate this rule of ethics, because, as opponents of ethical journalism, they wish to control what journalists say and censor any ideas or opinions that they don’t want to hear. And so they have been targeting advertisers, trying to get them to pull ads from gaming websites that publish ideas they wish to censor.
  
  5) The most recent target of #GamerGate was selected because she engages in ethical journalism. If Brianna Wu had kept her mouth shut and just quietly developed video games, she probably would have been left alone. Instead, she dipped her toe into the art of writing ethical journalistic pieces. But, because they are opponents of ethical journalism, #GamerGaters attacked Wu like they do any other young woman that doesn’t just churn out mindless pro-sexist propaganda.
  
  6) One of the main leaders of #GamerGate works for Breitbart. Milo Yiannopoulos has been up front, rallying the troops of #GamerGate and even helping them select the inevitably young, female targets for harassment. He also works for Breitbart, an organization whose hostility towards ethical journalism is legendary. No surprise there, because #GamerGate is also opposed to ethical journalism.
  
  In other words, #GamerGate is about “ethics in journalism” in the same way Fox News is “fair and balanced”, which is to say “not in the slightest and, in fact, they are the opposite”. Fox News called itself “fair and balanced” to cover for a not-exactly-discreet intention to be unfair, unbalanced and frequently just straight up misleading. And so #GamerGate claims to be about ethics in journalism, when in fact it is about the opposite: Bullying gaming journalists until they get in line with a corporate-friendly agenda of uncritically marketing “games pitched at the intellectual and emotional level of a 16-year-old suburban masturbator“. Anyone who actually tries to talk about anything interesting or intellectually engaging, particularly if female, will be drilled out with harassment.

 

[KojiKnight]

I wish I knew more about this, this is super weird.

What's the point of all this? Does any of this really matter? Why go out and do so much work to try and hurt someone? Genuinely interested, but I don't have the time to research a bunch of stuff.

I could go on a tirade, compare the people behind this stuff to any number or sort of childish or crappy things... but in truth it's really simple... It's people who want to maintain the status quo, and are willing to discredit, damage, scare away, and potentially harm anyone (psychologically, and many threatening physically) that feel threatens their odd 'stability'.

 

[SturokBGD]

Being part of a disgusting group is unrelated to the events at large, and on another note it too easily paints a black and white picture, which is almost never the case with these sorts of things.

That doesn't even make any sense. Being part of the group has everything to do with the events at large. Don't want to be associated with complete fucking scumbags? Then don't associate with complete fucking scumbags. It really is that simple.

 

[A Link to the Past]

This is how I view it

If someone committed a horrid atrocity and did it in the name of GamerGate, I would be okay with everyone who considers themselves apart of GamerGate to catch shade for it. GamerGaters don't get nearly enough shit.

 

[JasoNsider]

I believe we should have an info / "debunk round up" here for newcomers. Don't know if we can promote this to OP, but it's pretty important. Here's some:

Notes on thesis after ACTUALLY reading it

Selective quoting

Previous grossness Rapp has received

Walton's previous involvement with GG crowd - ie, feigning ignorance does NOT wash

Bonus time: Somebody's amazing round-up of Gamergate snafus

Not sure, maybe somebody else can do a better job of a round-up.

 

[Palette Swap]

That doesn't even make any sense.

Variation on "there are good people on both sides", mixed with a healthy dose of "these guys using the hashtag aren't the true current or representative of it".
The illusion of depth granted by "yeah, it's complicated".

The kind of thinking that could lead to saying the KKK really likes dressing as ghosts and burning crosses, that they're white supremacists being secondary.

 

[Mael]

Even Nintendo is tired of this shit.

I&#8217;ve had enough of this place. See you in #Zelda #TwilightPrincess HD on 3/4! #MidnaMemories

Looking at the amount of abuse they get on twitter, you couldn't pay me enough to do the job of NoA's twitter.
The guys there who have that on their resume can waltz into any other community manager position, it's going to be paid vacations in comparison.

 

[SturokBGD]

Even Nintendo is tired of this shit.

Looking at the amount of abuse they get on twitter, you couldn't pay me enough to do the job of NoA's twitter.
The guys there who have that on their resume can waltz into any other community manager position, it's going to be paid vacations in comparison.

That's actually supposed to be Midna that's tweeting. It's not related. EDIT: well, it probably is. But it's supposed to be Midna "signing off".

 

[pinkurocket]

She seems like a cool girl, I just found out that IGN E3 interview where they presented Yoshi's Woolly World was with her. That was hilarious. Seeing people take the quotes from her thesis out of context is disgusting and so wrong though. She doesn't deserve to lose her job over this, but even besides that she doesn't deserve to get her name dragged like this. It's really awful to see a naive internet mob go after someone like that, with arguments based solely on ignorance and selective quotes. Really bad.

 

[Mael]

That's actually supposed to be Midna that's tweeting. It's not related.

I know they still get tons of abuse on their twitter at the moment.
The tweet was funny in that context.

 

[Battlechili]

This is how I view it

If someone committed a horrid atrocity and did it in the name of GamerGate, I would be okay with everyone who considers themselves apart of GamerGate to catch shade for it. GamerGaters don't get nearly enough shit.

Would that not be inaccurate though? If someone did something in the name of something, would it not be completely on that one individual person and not the whole of whatever it is they did it in the name of? Oftentimes people use groups and ideals to push their own individual viewpoints that may be related but separate from the group or ideal itself.

I don't like blaming groups for things, especially loosely defined groups, since it creates generalizations, which are almost always both unfair and at least somewhat inaccurate.

Also sorry for not responding to everything but admittedly I always find it somewhat scary to post any dissenting views in heated topics like this one. People can be mean. x_x

 

[A Link to the Past]

Would that not be inaccurate though? If someone did something in the name of something, would it not be completely on that one individual person and not the whole of whatever it is they did it in the name of? Oftentimes people use groups and ideals to push their own individual viewpoints that may be related but separate from the group or ideal itself.

I don't like blaming groups for things, especially loosely defined groups, since it creates generalizations, which are almost always both unfair and at least somewhat inaccurate.

Also sorry for not responding to everything but admittedly I always find it somewhat scary to post any dissenting views in heated topics like this one. People can be mean. x_x

People are being "mean" because you're posting dissenting views on a topic that is SUPER heated, super involved, about an organization that has done some pretty horrid, awful shit.

GamerGate doesn't exist if it's not committing horrible things. Do I need to whip out that example of multiple GamerGate members plotting to kill people, and actually making efforts to succeed at it?

 

[SturokBGD]

Would that not be inaccurate though? If someone did something in the name of something, would it not be completely on that one individual person and not the whole of whatever it is they did it in the name of? Oftentimes people use groups and ideals to push their own individual viewpoints that may be related but separate from the group or ideal itself.

It's not inaccurate because Gamergate is 100% human garbage. If you're just looking to be part of a pro-gamer ideology then you're not looking for Gamergate.

 

[Nairume]

Would that not be inaccurate though? If someone did something in the name of something, would it not be completely on that one individual person and not the whole of whatever it is they did it in the name of? Oftentimes people use groups and ideals to push their own individual viewpoints that may be related but separate from the group or ideal itself.

I don't like blaming groups for things, especially loosely defined groups, since it creates generalizations, which are almost always both unfair and at least somewhat inaccurate.

Also sorry for not responding to everything but admittedly I always find it somewhat scary to post any dissenting views in heated topics like this one. People can be mean. x_x

I mean

If gamergaters did *anything* to deserve the benefit of the doubt, I'd be more than willing to entertain the idea that some people still associating with that group might not be awful. Until that point, it's not unreasonable to continue just assuming that GGers are unequivocally terrible. There's been more than enough time for people with remotely good intentions that associated with the group to see the kind of things GG actually stands for.

Not everything is shades of grey.

 

[Deleted member 126221]

Would that not be inaccurate though? If someone did something in the name of something, would it not be completely on that one individual person and not the whole of whatever it is they did it in the name of? Oftentimes people use groups and ideals to push their own individual viewpoints that may be related but separate from the group or ideal itself.

I don't like blaming groups for things, especially loosely defined groups, since it creates generalizations, which are almost always both unfair and at least somewhat inaccurate.

Also sorry for not responding to everything but admittedly I always find it somewhat scary to post any dissenting views in heated topics like this one. People can be mean. x_x

A woman in the game industry is getting attacked by people identifying with a group that exists to attack women in the game industry. What nuance are we missing? It's not as if these harassers identified with Unicef or the Red Cross...

 

[BY2K]

I'll just refer back to the post I made a while ago. Note that this is a year and a half old and GamerGate has done a lot of other awful shit since then. I just wrote this post more "in the moment" as the harassment movement was still developing, to help people new to the topic understand what it was as clearly as possible.

To be absolutely crystal clear, before pasting that old post: The "GamerGate" term was coined by actor Adam Baldwin in response to a completely debunked video which alleged that Zoe Quinn slept with people to get favorable coverage of her indie game that she released for free while she took donations for the game, most of which she gave to charity.

If that single sentence doesn't really sink in for you exactly what's going on here, probably nothing will. People think she slept with people for coverage. Of a game she's not making money off of. Because.....<reasons>?


But alas, my post:

Oh God, thank you for this.

 

[fernoca]

Would that not be inaccurate though? If someone did something in the name of something, would it not be completely on that one individual person and not the whole of whatever it is they did it in the name of? Oftentimes people use groups and ideals to push their own individual viewpoints that may be related but separate from the group or ideal itself.

I don't like blaming groups for things, especially loosely defined groups, since it creates generalizations, which are almost always both unfair and at least somewhat inaccurate.

Also sorry for not responding to everything but admittedly I always find it somewhat scary to post any dissenting views in heated topics like this one. People can be mean. x_x

You need to remember that the foundation, the root of GamerGate was hate and shaming people especially and mostly women; based on lies while spreading innacuracies and lines out of context (along death/bomb threats towards them and their families)

There's no such thing at "not everyone agrees with this". Is like saying that not everyone that joined the KKK is a racist.

That some tried to coin and have others join GamerGate as a move to battle extreme feminism not only shows that they're gullible; but that they are as myopic and as closeminded as the rest.

 

[Sblargh]

Yeah, neogaf, instead of disagreeing and argumenting like mean people do, you should pursue more benevolous means like those nice people* at GG does.

*except so very few exceptions to the group that why, is almost never associated with this kind of bullshit every single time it happens since they exist.

 

[mbpm1]

Would that not be inaccurate though? If someone did something in the name of something, would it not be completely on that one individual person and not the whole of whatever it is they did it in the name of? Oftentimes people use groups and ideals to push their own individual viewpoints that may be related but separate from the group or ideal itself.

Yes but that's not what's happening here.

I don't like blaming groups for things, especially loosely defined groups, since it creates generalizations, which are almost always both unfair and at least somewhat inaccurate.

They can identify and act otherwise if they don't like being associated with this.

 

[Mael]

Would that not be inaccurate though? If someone did something in the name of something, would it not be completely on that one individual person and not the whole of whatever it is they did it in the name of? Oftentimes people use groups and ideals to push their own individual viewpoints that may be related but separate from the group or ideal itself.

I don't like blaming groups for things, especially loosely defined groups, since it creates generalizations, which are almost always both unfair and at least somewhat inaccurate.

Also sorry for not responding to everything but admittedly I always find it somewhat scary to post any dissenting views in heated topics like this one. People can be mean. x_x

GerbilGraber doesn't have a single set of values to defend or anything.
It just exists to perpetuate itself, harass women and eventually push the alt right.
It doesn't have a leader and is really just a hashtag that can be coopted pretty easily.
It refused multiple times to organize itself and get a face to present to the world.
As a result anything done in its name reflect on the whole organization.
If you don't want to be associated by things done in the name of GrampaGroppers you can always shed the movement.
It stands for nothing but harassment and achieved nothing but harassment.
Harassment is the signature of the movement (as well as a bunch of regressive pushback).
You cannot ban anyone from the movement too, so unlike say the GOP you cannot say that someone that claim to be part of the movement isn't.
You can chose to associate with wolves but if you do don't come crying when a farmer doesn't want you anywhere near their cows.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

Would that not be inaccurate though? If someone did something in the name of something, would it not be completely on that one individual person and not the whole of whatever it is they did it in the name of? Oftentimes people use groups and ideals to push their own individual viewpoints that may be related but separate from the group or ideal itself.

I don't like blaming groups for things, especially loosely defined groups, since it creates generalizations, which are almost always both unfair and at least somewhat inaccurate.

Also sorry for not responding to everything but admittedly I always find it somewhat scary to post any dissenting views in heated topics like this one. People can be mean. x_x

Nope. Gamergaters are shit through and through. If you are a Gamergater you are a shitty, horrible person. End of story.

This is plainly black and white.

It's a hate movement founded on the persecution and harassment of women in the games industry coming from a place of fear and resentment, just like the KKK.

 

[Sblargh]

Let's just bask for a single moment on the beautiful fact that a group that uses "freedom of speech" as a flag wants someone fired because of her opinions on an academic work.

Just let it sink in for a little bit.

 

[dity]

The OP/article blames a group for doing something bad when the group itself is split on the issue and not actually to blame for it on the larger scale of things, or at least can't be entirely blamed for such a thing. Its being disingenous, that's why people should, well, "give a fuck". Its inaccurate and is just looking for something easy and popular to point a finger at.

Being part of a disgusting group is unrelated to the events at large, and on another note it too easily paints a black and white picture, which is almost never the case with these sorts of things.

Then who is doing it? What group do the people doing this stuff rep on their profiles?

 

[JasoNsider]

People assembled on a battlefield, put a hash tag on a banner and waved it with pride. They let out the war cry that they were out for blood (ended up targeting women, mostly, for being women and/or progressive). Then when others point at the crowd and say "holy shit that is awful", somebody will say "oh, I see you're pointing at Jenkins over there? Yeah, well, he doesn't speak for the crowd."

This line of reasoning is senseless. You can't form under a banner to peddle a cause, then completely deny involvement of said cause any time it suits you. None of this is even exaggeration, people were putting hash tag gamergate in their tweets and profiles. When they discovered it was to their benefit to be formless, they started removing them (some still keep it).

Look, most people in here are incredibly reasonable (hence why many are skeptical about these baseless attacks) so it's not like we can't understand that shades of grey exist in the world. The point is you don't get to fly a flag and then say "welllllll I'm just standing here with this mob but really I just speak for myself, don't try to apply a general context".

 

[Wallach]

I don't like blaming groups for things, especially loosely defined groups, since it creates generalizations, which are almost always both unfair and at least somewhat inaccurate.

What the hell. Being a part of GamerGate is a voluntary self-identification to that group. If you identify as part of GamerGate knowing this kind of dogshit is happening, then get fucked. You deserve the blame for associating yourself with them even when you have that knowledge in hand.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. If you don't want to be generalized as a fuckwit don't fill out an application for the official fuckwit fanclub.

 

[Haly]

There is not a single good reason for GamerGate to exist. Their original motto, "ethics in games journalism", was always just an illusion to mask their intentions as a hate/troll group. Anyone part of GG who supports its "core message" but not the harassment are either lying or just willfully ignorant of what the group actually does.

It would be different (though not by much) if they were a legitimate movement for reform that was co-opted by trolls and radicalism, but they're not. There's a reason why every thread there are people who have no clue what GG does. It's not only because they're disorganized, but that they're not actually interested in spreading their message and achieving tangible reform. No, when their name crops up it's invariably in relation to some harassment campaign.

At least OccupyWallStreet, as unfocused as it was, organized some real protests and fostered a new interest in politics in the youngest generation.

 

[Sicious]

Wait, gamergate still exists? That makes no sense.

Anyway i'm pretty sure Nintendo is not going to fire anyone. It would be a tragic event for such a company(and the videogame industry in general) to meet the demands of those idiots.

 

[system11]

Actually, fuck the entire internet for giving stupid people a platform so big it could potentially ruin the lives of people.

This a thousand times over, the only way to win is not to play.