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Love Boat [Mafia] |OT| Till Death Do Us Part
- Thread starter Burbeting
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What do you mean by "safe kills" here? If you think they though Kark/Zipped was protected (as you seem to indicate based on the "didn't trust their ability to successfully kill kark", why does Gorlaunch's death indicate they're not going for safe kills here? Anybody other than Karked would be a "safe kill" would it not?
Hyperactivity
Banned
It's not unprecedented that scum use claimed prs to try and go for other kills. I've done it multiple times as scum. If scum were stopped from killing, say, Flux and Time Night 1, they may have instead preferred to go after high posters.
At the same time, high posts count players that tend to contribute a bunch tend to still be big targets, regardless of claimed prs, and they also often get protected by doctors, watched by watchers, etc.
A "Safe kill" is a kill scum could be almost entirely certain no doctor, watcher, or switcher would go after, typically low post count, fairly inconsequential people
I just remembered something that happened right after we revealed in D2:
I just realized why this reaction sounded off to me. Before this point, we never gave any indication that we had a role. Like, none at all. How would Flame expect us to have a role? Because he heard it from the scum chat that day, when Blarg shared the result that we targeted them?
Partner seems similarly surprised, maybe a little worried
Is this...mafia fishing for us to share a tracker result PM for them to compare with theirs?
I just realized why this reaction sounded off to me. Before this point, we never gave any indication that we had a role. Like, none at all. How would Flame expect us to have a role? Because he heard it from the scum chat that day, when Blarg shared the result that we targeted them?
Partner seems similarly surprised, maybe a little worried
Is this...mafia fishing for us to share a tracker result PM for them to compare with theirs?
It's pretty great to consider that considering your content in the game so far, you're the last person I would have to listen to in regards to finding the remaining scum. (Not that I'm 'for' the shit Kark/Zipped have been doing mind you.)
I mean voting for the sake of voting seems like a total waste, not to mention the shit your team pulled on Day 2 regarding the Cabot/Splinter nonsense (as mentioned by Ty4on.)
I dislike the lack of confidence in your posts. There's something uncomfortably vague about you, which at this point in the game is very unessecary.
VOTE: Karu [/highlight.]
This is an odd thing to bring up, but I can see why you might think that.
You and Zip claimed that you had business with Blawg/Kawl, I assumed you were a cop and checked Blarg and got scum and that you were gonna post your results and just hope a doctor saved you.
You then come out with a second tracker claim, well after Blarg/Kawl's and I was surprised. Now do you understand that post?
Isn't it obvious why people would be surprised at your claim. You basically had them dead the moment you posted. I think it was a valid question as to why you didn't go out with it on Day 1.
As far as your point about the role names go, we didn't have much to base role names off of at that point and it was a possibility that the names might verify the possibility of both teams being town, or otherwise.
Here's the post, which to me, and I imagine most other people, indicated you had some sort of information.
Well it seemed like a really great idea at the time but sometimes my plans...
If batsnacks doesn't join Batman mafia, I will be upset.
Zippedpinhead
Member
I'm backing my partner on this one. You two have been flying under the radar, and coppa is giving me serious island vibes.
vote: flame_AC
He claimed Miller - what good would that do?
I'm not doubting you were surprised. As I've said several times, I'm fairly certain that mafia players didn't expect a Tracker on the other team, but they already knew we had a role.
And again, the most surprised would be the ones who bet big on there not being another Tracker.
As far as your point about the role names go, we didn't have much to base role names off of at that point and it was a possibility that the names might verify the possibility of both teams being town, or otherwise.[/QUOTE]
You weren't talking about role names?
You wanted to see if we got the same PM response from Burb. To see if it matched with your scum Tracker's result. I imagine the panic was high at that moment, trying to figure out if we were for real.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Will all the players be named Bat followed by the name of an inanimate object?
Cop checking a miller, now that's just gunning for the "Least Valuable Player" award.
Flying under the radar? I think we've both been fairly active, I think we're both in the top quarter of activity even. There's been a lot of discussion from us and about us, so how do you think we've been flying under the radar? If you have stuff you want us to specifically address, he or I would be glad to.
I didn't read the Island game you're talking about, but judge he and I on this game, not others.
Giant Panda
Member
On the other hand, Coppanuva does a good job seeming genuinely misinformed about what exactly trackers can see if he is scum. I'm not sure why he thought a tracker would get a role name though.
Ah, sorry about that. I've brushed aside his miller junk and the Time/Flux stuff and haven't given it much thought since then.
I was thinking about a different post, but as far as the action report goes, I think it would have been a good check to have both teams, if they really were both trackers, have the same message from Burb. Two town trackers should have the same PM, right?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that post you reference of Coppa's is addressing Time/Flux who had claimed name cop which is why he was discussing revealing/not names of people checked and their roles.
Giant Panda
Member
You are right. Disregard my previous post. I thought the topic was still on Blawl due to my skimming when I went and looked back at it.
MagnumBoy20xx
Neo Member
Nice find kark!
vote: flame_AC
vote: flame_AC
Did you read my defense posts of it? I don't get this argument.
Kark/Zip say they've got some sort of business with Blarg/Kawl -> They must have some role that makes them certain scum -> They claim a second tracker.
Somehow the above translates to me knowing ahead of time what Kark had as a role?
At the time, two trackers was very odd. In the end it's true there were two, one on each side.
I don't want to repost everything I already said about flame 3 times already... please read these posts or at least the bolded bits:
Flame_AC repeats over and over that he believed Kark was town and that blarg was mafia BUT Flame_AC didn't vote blarg who he thought was mafia
He voted splinter because splinter was "dismissive" of people's posts.
Flame_AC repeats over and over that he believed Kark was town and that blarg was mafia BUT Flame_AC didn't vote blarg who he thought was mafia
He voted splinter because splinter was "dismissive" of people's posts.
It's Day 2. Blawl are at 13 votes. *Splat are at 7. As the tension mounts on Splinter, it seems like this ship is about to change course.
The very next post after this vote update:
7 posts later, a white flag of sorts. Post #2731, remember that number.
Scum team, rally! Quickly, everyone after Post #2731, get to the fuckin' choppa
Just before and after Post #2731, the rallying death cry of Blargonaut and Kawl_USC, look at what we have here: Coppa and Flame, coming to try to even the vote out a bit.
Honorable mentions to BooJay for most likely also being scum, and Duskaru for also maybe being scum. The rest were a little late to the party.
The very next post after this vote update:
7 posts later, a white flag of sorts. Post #2731, remember that number.
Scum team, rally! Quickly, everyone after Post #2731, get to the fuckin' choppa
Just before and after Post #2731, the rallying death cry of Blargonaut and Kawl_USC, look at what we have here: Coppa and Flame, coming to try to even the vote out a bit.
Honorable mentions to BooJay for most likely also being scum, and Duskaru for also maybe being scum. The rest were a little late to the party.
Thing to note that I just remembered is with the death of Gorlak and Launch we know scum didn't control the turbo (and where their votes ended up).
Part of the reason I scum read them was thinking scum wanted to be in control of where their votes where and turbo to seal the deal.
Part of the reason I scum read them was thinking scum wanted to be in control of where their votes where and turbo to seal the deal.
Welp, I'm convinced. I'll add that I didn't like the way Flame kept trying to suggest we should keep Blarg alive in the interest of getting two tracker reports, even though the most likely result of that would have been maf simply roleblocking the town tracker and getting another report for themselves. (Sure, it turns out there is no maf roleblocker, but he didn't know that at the time... OR DID HE?)
VOTE: Flame_AC
VOTE: Flame_AC
1) We're not the only people who voted Splintbot. Saying we were suspicious because we voted him is alright as long as you don't disregard the fact that at least 7 other people voted on them as well.
2) Do you really think scum would be communicating their voting patterns this far out in the open? The whole white flag theory is one of the stupidest things I've heard. Kawl was acting to save himself and nothing more. In calling out non-voters he was trying to look more town and prolong his life, winning any swing-votes. Any calls to arms to scum team would be easily made in their private forum.
3) Why would we vote for Splintbot then immediately kill him? I'm insulted you think I'm that bad a player.
Also, you use a ton of linebreaks man jesus.
The only people on this list who aren't dead are you&yours, Zipped and I, Ty4on, and half of Topo and half of Dusk.
Unless you're going to suggest Mafia entirely bussed Blarg, there's Mafia in this group; and I'm at least pretty sure that Topo, Ty4on, and I are Town.
So either you start eating Dusk's face off, or give it up.
I'm leaning heavily towards you, but I'll try to look back at your posts and see if I find something townie.
It's probably too early now to kill. The day isn't over yet, could really make a big difference if we lynch town again.
Is the voting record why you've tunneled so much on BooJay? I kinda wrote it off when scum lynched Cabinter, but I'm probably assuming they're too cautious.
Zippedpinhead
Member
It's some of it, that and the sketchy posting on days 1& 2.
It's also because of how they opened Day 3.
After I saw that Mafia killed Splinter, I knew they would probably go the route of
trying to rouse suspicion against us right out the gate. . It seems I was right.
But these two seem not-so-coordinated. Boo had posted this right before Jay's post:
Ah, another dead person.
Dusk Soldier
Member
Should Karu and I be worried?
Because CLEARLY I wouldn't get any suspicion drawn toward me if one of the people I nominated died shortly after.
Use your head. Me catching the heat right after Launch got bopped is clearly just another play by Scum. If it wasn't the main focus of the scum play it would clearly be just another factor.
Huh? If mafia had three members in total, how could BooJay be mafia? There would be two left, so when you tracked BooJay, one had to go out and kill whereas the other pair (I would assume) used the chat bomb.
There could be four. It's really not out of the realm of possibility.
But aside from that, the thing right now is about Coppa and Flame, and they're cornered right now.
It's either throw another scum who voted for Splinter under the bus, or claim that ALL the scum voted for Blarg.
All in reverse chronological order
Every mention of Flame, Coppa, Flame_AC or Coppanuva by Kawl:
http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=196575161&highlight=flame_ac#post196575161
http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=196574108&highlight=flame_ac#post196574108
http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=195536207&highlight=coppa#post195536207
http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=195368858&highlight=coppanuva#post195368858
Every mention of Flame, Coppa, Flame_AC or Coppanuva by Blarg:
http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=196487786&highlight=coppanuva#post196487786
http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=195763709&highlight=coppanuva#post195763709
http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=195485837&highlight=flame_ac#post195485837
http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=195252323&highlight=flame_ac#post195252323
Very little communication between the two pairs apart from a little bit at the end when we were about to vote out Splinter and Kawl replied twice to Flame.
Reads:
Every mention of Flame, Coppa, Flame_AC or Coppanuva by Kawl:
http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=196575161&highlight=flame_ac#post196575161
http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=196574108&highlight=flame_ac#post196574108
http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=195536207&highlight=coppa#post195536207
http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=195368858&highlight=coppanuva#post195368858
Every mention of Flame, Coppa, Flame_AC or Coppanuva by Blarg:
http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=196487786&highlight=coppanuva#post196487786
http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=195763709&highlight=coppanuva#post195763709
http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=195485837&highlight=flame_ac#post195485837
http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=195252323&highlight=flame_ac#post195252323
Very little communication between the two pairs apart from a little bit at the end when we were about to vote out Splinter and Kawl replied twice to Flame.
Reads:
Two confirmed scum did vote for cabsplinter (blarg and kawl).
So in the scenario that we have 4 scum pairs, which is 8 people, we already have 2 for cabsplat. I can't imagine (based only off gut tbh) that more than half of the scum team would vote for cabsplint. So at the very most, 4 people voted for that pair.
blarg and kawl voting together as a pair makes sense concerning their predicament. But would scumbros want to put another full scumpair on that train, when things are looking pretty shaky already? If they do that, that means they put a total of two connected pairs on the cabsplinter side, whose death would flip town. I say scum might have wanted to split a pair up.
These are people whose final vote on cabsplinter was without their pair (and still alive).
Ty4on .2491
Giant Panda .2719
UltraJay .2744
Dusk Soldier .2768
Will post elite reads tomorrowish.
So in the scenario that we have 4 scum pairs, which is 8 people, we already have 2 for cabsplat. I can't imagine (based only off gut tbh) that more than half of the scum team would vote for cabsplint. So at the very most, 4 people voted for that pair.
blarg and kawl voting together as a pair makes sense concerning their predicament. But would scumbros want to put another full scumpair on that train, when things are looking pretty shaky already? If they do that, that means they put a total of two connected pairs on the cabsplinter side, whose death would flip town. I say scum might have wanted to split a pair up.
These are people whose final vote on cabsplinter was without their pair (and still alive).
Ty4on .2491
Giant Panda .2719
UltraJay .2744
Dusk Soldier .2768
Will post elite reads tomorrowish.
I wish I had the time to graph out their interactions with other pairs so I could see if two was an outlier.
Scum does try to interact in the games I've analysed post game, but it usually looks a little off.
The one weird thing is Flame voted for Blarg just after he claimed so you'd think there'd be more.
That vote though. I remember thinking they were probably town because of that in several read sessions, but it still stood a bit out. My summary back then was that it seemed weird for scum because it could have backfired and gotten Blawl lynched, but maybe they knew the low likelihood of that and that either way it could be a big boost to Flame. Still though, why put even more pressure on a power role.