creid
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That early ying-yang quartz was a big help. I liked FC & SC a lot more when I could choose when to battle.
Edit: Almost forgot: praise Aidios, Trails hyyyyype, etc. etc.
The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky the 3rd coming west for PC in 2017
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Edit: Almost forgot: praise Aidios, Trails hyyyyype, etc. etc.
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
This seems pretty crazy! Good for them making it happen. I remember not long ago people talking as if the translations could never happen. I just pick up SC on sale but I still need to find the time to play through FC as well..... I just finished Trails of Cold Steel though which I didn't enjoy as much as I expected. Hopefully I find these a little more engaging.
Is it really that hard to understand that not everyone has or wants a PC? The next time a game is 3DS only, I'll have to remember that saying 'it'll run on any potato portable!' is guaranteed to calm the ire of our home console brothers
But it won't run on any potato portable... it'll only run on a particular potato portable.
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Leafhopper
Banned
Yup. I agree with most of this especially about a 2017 PSP game. Come on guys.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
She got on twitter mad, can't blame her though since she clearly puts a lot of effort and love into the series and the response is backlash for not releasing games on a 12+ year old dead platform.
She also seems confident they can deal with any issues related to Crossbell, as long as fans support the series.
She also seems confident they can deal with any issues related to Crossbell, as long as fans support the series.
Holundrian
Unconfirmed Member
To be honest I can totally understand people being mad but then those people should also be mad at the right person.
It's pretty clear that they tried and couldn't make it work.
So it's pretty ridiculous to blame XSeed or the translators.
It's pretty clear that they tried and couldn't make it work.
So it's pretty ridiculous to blame XSeed or the translators.
binarymelon
Member
This is kind of disappointing. I was going to pick up FC on the PSN sale this weekend. But this gives me a reason to hesitate.
I understand disappointment and wanting it on portables. I get it. The only people that actually bother me are those that act like XSEED is deliberately ignoring the handhelds or that Vita BC means that they can just release it as a Vita title. It's extremely possible that Falcom has given back their PSP dev kits and debugging and implementing a script is actually impossible for them. It's also possible Sony would just say no to QAing a PSP title since the PSP download store has been closed down.
Either way, it's out of XSEED's hands. I'm certain if it were financially and physically possible to do so, they certainly would've been willing to do the PSP edition as well. Same for the EVO stuff. It just didn't work out. Sucks for those of us who would prefer it on handhelds, but PC only is better than not at all.
There's zero reason to hesitate. The Save Imports are just bonus items. If you want those, pick up a complete SC save to import if you play on PC. FC and SC are a complete saga on their own and there's no reason to skip out on playing them on your platform of choice just because The 3rd is elsewhere.
It is possible Sony's holding things up on PS3 but who knows with how lenient they've been lately. Of course it would be like them to still be stubborn on some dumb things of relatively little consequence. But I would assume regardless Falcom has to do the coding, and they may not have the main power regardless and expect too little in return sales-wise to justify setting some people aside for, PS3's healthier than PSP but not really by that much.
Yes and no. It follows up on some dangling plot threads from FC/SC, gives us a bunch more backstory on a lot of characters, and greatly expands the setting. It also serves as a prologue of sorts to Zero/Ao.
I didn't want to re-download FC when I started SC so I just downloaded a save. Unless I still haven't completed SC by the time 3rd releases it should also be out of my HDD. I'll just download a save for 3rd then. I don't see what's the big deal.
Hope they can come into an agreement for the Vita/PS3 versions somehow, but if it's PC only I'm sure if you're a fan you'll find a way to play it.
Hope they can come into an agreement for the Vita/PS3 versions somehow, but if it's PC only I'm sure if you're a fan you'll find a way to play it.
Dragoon En Regalia
Member
Re: doing ports of the Sen/Cold Steel arc for PC, it seems XSEED's looking more into this option now that Little King's Story is making the jump via an outside port team's efforts. I wouldn't rule out XSEED getting permission to give Ao no Kiseki's code and assets to a port team Falcom could trust (hard as that could be). Better yet, they could re-do Zero to make sure both games play and look the same as the Trails games released on Steam/GOG recently. It depends on what they consider viable compared to going with necessary but less attractive measures, like using Falcom's Windows release of Zero but doing something new (and maybe better) for Ao.
Using Steam via WineBottler install seems like a great idea if you absolutely need to play 3rd and can play from desktop; then you have Windows tablets more than capable of playback. I'm sure fans of the games, rather than trolls, are interested enough to find ways to circumvent an impassable platform change.
Using Steam via WineBottler install seems like a great idea if you absolutely need to play 3rd and can play from desktop; then you have Windows tablets more than capable of playback. I'm sure fans of the games, rather than trolls, are interested enough to find ways to circumvent an impassable platform change.
The 3rd is a very weird game. It acts as an epilogue for Trails in the Sky and further expands some of the things in that game as well as takes things out from the end further. At the same time, it's a game that follows a side character from SC and tells his story as well as acts a bridge from the Sky series into Azure/Zero as well as Cold Steel.
So, for all intents an purposes, the Trails in the Sky saga is done after SC. It's a complete story. This is a weird and separate thing.
Where is my Corpse Party PC? I love XSEED, but let Falcom handle the porting and details.
The next Trails games left to be localized will also be PC exclusive releases (Zero and Azure)
People who are complaining need to come to terms with it and find a way to play now. Otherwise you will miss out on the central arc of Trails in the future, and one that is highly rated by those who have already played it.
People who are complaining need to come to terms with it and find a way to play now. Otherwise you will miss out on the central arc of Trails in the future, and one that is highly rated by those who have already played it.
Dragoon En Regalia
Member
Now's a good time for me to prepare the Falcom Music Room SC-88Pro/8850 MIDI Collection for release tomorrow. It's got quite a few good arrangements of music from 3rd.
Sara's struggling with this one still, and that's not a fault of anyone but maybe the original developers for not preparing their game in advance to be localized. Furthermore she does great work in this field, and can dedicate more time to fixing games up than Falcom's own programmers who are busy making sure their more ambitious PS4/Vita games can launch on time. How does this relate to me noting how XSEED's contemplated using outside port teams and how they might start working with one or two of them more often?
Nightengale
Member
FC & SC tells a relatively standalone and complete JRPG story arc from start-to-end.
The 3rd is an important game, but it's more important to the overall "saga" of the 7-games-and-ongoing Trails series, rather than being some sort of trilogy climax for Trails in the Sky.
Tldr; There is no reason to hesitate. Doubly so if you're invested in the franchise. Ultimately you'll need to own at least two hardware (PC and PS3/Vita) to experience this franchise properly for the games currently made by Falcom.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Isn't Marvelous responsible for the LKS port? I don't know if they would take the initiative to help XSEED get the series ported or not. Or maybe they would have to anyway, I don't know how much authority XSEED's president would have in that situation.
Isn't the same source as the Nico video I linked with the Samsara and Paramnesia arrangement?
XSEED does way too much these days, and now you want to add having them getting an outside team porting games for Falcom and supervising that? As much as the japanese PC scene isn't that strong, that's something Falcom should be doing instead, even if they plan of self-publishing those particular titles on Steam like Spike Chunsoft did with Danganronpa.
Cold Steel III though.
skLaFarebear
Member
How are the Vita versions of Zero and Azure? Are there licensing issues with those too?
Seems like they are Evo versions as well, which means separate VA contracts as well as contracts with the other companies that made the Vita editions of the Sky games. If Trails in the Sky Evo is a no go, those are as well.
PC versions of them exist, but both were done for the Chinese market and only one got released in Japan. Since @Hatsuu is fairly sure things can be worked out with enough support, I suspect those would not be impossible to get hands on.
Dragoon En Regalia
Member
From the discussion thread on Marvelous Forums:
Obviously we'll learn who this outside team is once the game releases and credits them. And yes, I'm taking all the music uploaded by that guy who did the Samsara and Paramnesia/Blighted Blood arrangement, plus whatever he didn't record, and bundling it so you can listen via .mp3 or MIDI playback.
Falcom did their damnedest to keep Japanese PC gaming alive, but what ended up happening was long-timer PC owners—anyone interested in Falcom games in general—bought only their stuff while other developers either died or left that part of the industry for better pastures. Meanwhile they're wrangling PhyreEngine and running into development troubles with Ys VIII, which has been in development for a few years now, and it seems like their PSP port crew Kure Software Koubou isn't around to do PC work (aka the main programmer, Kure Eiji, is really old for his profession and has other work too).
If XSEED's experience with Little King's Story PC goes well for them, then no worries. My impression is that all belongs more to Ken's domain than something which the localization team should worry about.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Yep. Hatsuu seems to be rolling with the prevailing theory that the Chinese PC ports are the way to go for those games. I don't know if they have already talked with Falcom about that and have some ideas of how it would work, hopefully they have.
Interesting. So maybe they could partner up with someone for ports for this series. Hopefully they consider that for the Cold Steel games, Falcom seemed open to the idea.
I also trust XSEED's judgement when it comes to ports, Sara does excellent work and they seem to have a grasp on what sort of things are expected by PC gamers.
skLaFarebear
Member
Damn, that's a shame. Oh well.
I don't mind playing the PC version, but would be super happy if they could somehow bring the Vita versions of those games, assuming of course they even get localized.
The right way to look at it. Sometimes it feels like people would rather get no localization at all if it's not on their platform of choice.
Nothing1016
Member
Just bought the first one. Hopefully it lives up to the hype
SatelliteOfLove
Member
Also listen to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ok9bzDzaS0
Read great, snappy dialogue like this:
It's top shelf worldbuilding, character motivation, and lots of other things.
"I SEE A NAME I ARE SAD I TAKE IT OUT ON NAME ASYMETRICAL ANONYMITY!"
Nightengale
Member
If we're going to boil it down to semantics, the only one to be mad at is "ourselves" for not supporting the initial PSP release of FC enough to the extent that SC and 3rd had to be delayed for so long, which ultimately has a snowball effect impacting potential localistion of the Crossbell duology. =/
You know, as with all things in life, we deal in compromises. We don't always get what we'd like. What's important is to be level-headed about it, and channel that annoyance to positive energy.
Thankfully someone at a certain company has made it part of his company agenda to entertain stuff like this #buildingthelist
One doesn't NEED to play every game in the franchise to really enjoy the games. Each of the trilogies/duologies so far can be enjoyed separately. Playing them all enhances the experiences for sure, but they aren't mandatory to understand what happens in each of them. We have the Cold Steel thread filled with people who've never touched the localized Sky games (let alone the Crossbell duology) who really liked Trails of Cold Steel. They are missing some of the larger context & don't understand all of the references, but that's not required for enjoyment.
It's really nothing like Kingdom Hearts where we have a continuous story spanning several platforms (or had, of course now you can just get the collections). The equal situation for Kiseki games would be if they released FC on PSP, SC on 3DS and The 3rd on PS3.
So far the larger continuous narrative hasn't really amounted to much, as far as I can tell. We know that there is
Ouroboros
Benzychenz
Member
Since that is exactly how I've played the last two Sora games, I have to ask what exactly is it about the setup that's unpalatable? Would going Big Picture and playing on a big TV while sitting on a comfy couch be better, or is the allure of handheld gaming really that strong? I can understand being able to take it to work/outside/on trains/on buses to kill time has gotta be mad convenient, but is that it? I see some people knock a few minutes out while lying in bed at night, but playing a game while in a half-sleepy state has gotta kill your attention factor, which these games kind of require of you to make any kind of sense.
Growing up playing 8-bit/16-bit rpgs on my own TV and enjoying every second of it, I guess I don't quite understand the mindset.
Well, like you mentioned, I do like playing in bed before I go to sleep.
I just like the comfort of being able to relax with the game in my hands and taking it at my own pace, often with my laptop next to me with gaf, facebook etc up.
When finished I just put the system into sleep mode and leave it on the charger, so it's easy to play in short bursts.
I just find that play style really enjoyable with these slow paced RPGs.
Having to get it going on the computer just seems like a big commitment, which is fine for stuff like Dark Souls and the like, which are a commitment every time you boot them up, but I find it really offputting for something like Trails.
Maybe it's just growing up with Pokemon
SatelliteOfLove
Member
If we're going to boil it down to semantics, the only one to be mad at is "ourselves" for not supporting the initial PSP release of FC enough to the extent that SC and 3rd had to be delayed for so long, which ultimately has a snowball effect impacting potential localistion of the Crossbell duology. =/
You know, as with all things in life, we deal in compromises. We don't always get what we'd like. What's important is to be level-headed about it, and channel that annoyance to positive energy.
Thankfully someone at a certain company has made it part of his company agenda to entertain stuff like this #buildingthelist
All I know is I'm buying and being nice (and shillin' like a villian). I'm clean!
Ultra optimists like me never stopped believing! Especially after they announced Cold Steel I & II last year. By doing those first, we are kind of "caught up" with the more immediately important releases and they can just fill up the hole of Third/Crossbell duology when they have the time while also keeping up with the new releases (i.e. Cold Steel III & beyond) as soon as possible when those come up.
max_505
Member
It's like XSEED is the Grandmaster of the Ouroboros or something. So. much. hidden. power.
Se7enSword
Banned
Seeing as I use a mac at home, I think your point about the particular potato required is lost on me
Point is, not everyone has a PC, I don't see why it's assumed that everyone would. I can probably borrow one though, but it's no different to anyone having the possibility of borrowing something when a game comes out on a format they don't have.
Nightengale
Member
There will be folks who will ultimately not be able to enjoy Trails in the Sky 3rd because it's skipping the PSP platform. However, that line applies to many games. PS4 only owners will not be able to enjoy Trails of Cold Steel. Even if XSEED manages to pull a miracle and make Trails 3rd for PSP, chances are they're not going to do that for a possible future localistion of Zero/Azure.
That a game is localised for your preferred platform is often times a luxury. Even "recent" games suffer as such, with some games localised without their PS3 SKU or PSVita SKU, and this is from bigger publishers with the resources to actually localise it in-house.
XSEED has effectively said that they have tried to do what's best for everyone. But while the details aren't transparently revealed to us in full detail, we should be able to surmise why PSP, PS3 and PSVita SKUs of Trails 3rd are just not feasible.
In a perfect world, Falcom would be an international global company, developing, publishing and localising the games themselves, released simultaneously worldwide for audiences of as many languages as feasibly possible.
But we're not in that world. The reality is that Falcom is a niche company, developing JRPGs with a niche audience, and that with the exception of Asia where Sony Taiwan is supporting the localisation of the game for Chinese audiences... No other publisher is picking up Trails franchise for localisation other than XSEED, a company of far more limited resources than big publishers that can easily afford port studios or big marketing pushes or whatnot.
I'm not saying we should just take it as it is. I'm also frustrated that we can't get a PSP/Vita SKU.
But we have to take the reality of where the franchise is right now, and figure out what's the best way to convey the message that we want more than the status quo for the franchise moving forward.
Stuff like the Eurogamer interview with Kondo for example. Or the continued success of Trails in the west. Then to escalate a message to Falcom that the potential from the English-speaking audience is much stronger than what they're experiencing right now, if only there's a way to align all the stars in the sky between Falcom's domestic development focus, their limited resources,the opportunities overseas and where's the perfect balance between all those factors.
It's not going to happen overnight. Heck, we're probably still several years away. But we've come far and beyond what many of us even thought in the past 6 months alone. We just have to keep up a positive message and make sure the right things are communicated when we share our grievances about how things can be better.
That a game is localised for your preferred platform is often times a luxury. Even "recent" games suffer as such, with some games localised without their PS3 SKU or PSVita SKU, and this is from bigger publishers with the resources to actually localise it in-house.
XSEED has effectively said that they have tried to do what's best for everyone. But while the details aren't transparently revealed to us in full detail, we should be able to surmise why PSP, PS3 and PSVita SKUs of Trails 3rd are just not feasible.
In a perfect world, Falcom would be an international global company, developing, publishing and localising the games themselves, released simultaneously worldwide for audiences of as many languages as feasibly possible.
But we're not in that world. The reality is that Falcom is a niche company, developing JRPGs with a niche audience, and that with the exception of Asia where Sony Taiwan is supporting the localisation of the game for Chinese audiences... No other publisher is picking up Trails franchise for localisation other than XSEED, a company of far more limited resources than big publishers that can easily afford port studios or big marketing pushes or whatnot.
I'm not saying we should just take it as it is. I'm also frustrated that we can't get a PSP/Vita SKU.
But we have to take the reality of where the franchise is right now, and figure out what's the best way to convey the message that we want more than the status quo for the franchise moving forward.
Stuff like the Eurogamer interview with Kondo for example. Or the continued success of Trails in the west. Then to escalate a message to Falcom that the potential from the English-speaking audience is much stronger than what they're experiencing right now, if only there's a way to align all the stars in the sky between Falcom's domestic development focus, their limited resources,the opportunities overseas and where's the perfect balance between all those factors.
It's not going to happen overnight. Heck, we're probably still several years away. But we've come far and beyond what many of us even thought in the past 6 months alone. We just have to keep up a positive message and make sure the right things are communicated when we share our grievances about how things can be better.
max_505
Member
Seeing as I use a mac at home, I think your point about the particular potato required is lost on me
Point is, not everyone has a PC, I don't see why it's assumed that everyone would. I can probably borrow one though, but it's no different to anyone having the possibility of borrowing something when a game comes out on a format they don't have.
Why not just install Boot Camp on your Mac to play PC games? That's what I did to play the PC version of FC and SC.
The Cartographer
Member
Shit, I don't really want to play this on PC but I'll take it.
Geez, I guess SCEA really may still be screwy on that crap. It's why I lean towards hating achievements, they window dressing that can be a huge pain in the neck to deal with, and the specter still haunts us on PS3 if I'm right with that guess, and if NOT right then at least PS4 with PS2 re-releases. I just want a bunch of PS2 games put in HD ASAP, not for a bunch of trophies I don't really care about to drag things out to a fucking crawl because some people get THAT invested in them. :/
MilkyOctave
Member
Trails in the Sky the 3rd's Steam community hub seems to be up:
http://steamcommunity.com/app/436670
Also, the official group for it:
http://steamcommunity.com/games/trails3rd
Only 2 members so far...
http://steamcommunity.com/app/436670
Also, the official group for it:
http://steamcommunity.com/games/trails3rd
Only 2 members so far...
I get why Estelle isn't the main protagonist anymore. I get it, but I'm not happy about it.
And I dislike Kevin precisely because of how he's been portrayed in SC (and of course because of his godawful design). And considering I think Rean is terrible as well, you guys are not giving me much confidence in hoping that I'll like Kevin more when playing through TC.