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[Data West]

Hilary!

let's get this going

 

[kirblar]

I don't know why she's going scorched earth like this. Her path to the nomination is a relatively airtight one.

Hopefully she doesn't get as ugly as this.

That was the lowest moment of her 2008 campaign.

Bernie's had their team (and many other Dems) seeing red for a while. It's definitely been warping their judgment since they're trying to attack him while keeping the kid gloves on since they're pretty sure they're going to win.

 

[JABEE]

Eh, it's politics for sure, but the fact is that Hillary was leading the efforts at the time.

And if it wasn't Hillary, it wouldn't have been Bernie. He wasn't important enough.

Bernie was there while introducing health care reform in the only way he could as just another irrelevant Vermont congressman elected to the United States House of Representatives. Nepotism goes a long way in building a resume.

 

[Tesseract]

dem eyes

 

[RoKKeR]

Rough few days for Hillary and just weird gaffes.

 

[vainglorious]

Not a good look for Hillary but the only people talking about this are Sander's supporters who won't vote in the primary for her anyway. All attention is hyper focused on the violence at Trump's rallies this weekend and the focus will continue to be there through Tuesday.

 

[injurai]

Is St. Paddy's racist?
Why is she drinking on the job?
Is she not going to kiss and bless that baby?

 

[border]

What's with that jacket? Is she in The Matrix?

 

[steveovig]

Oh, yeah, yeah maybe. Let's hope so. Lol

Yea, that's it lol

 

[Carnby]

dem eyes

"So this is what beer smells like..."

 

[ATF487]

dem eyes

Do people like this beer thing?

Wow

 

[GYODX]

The funny thing about the lie spread on Bernie not getting anything done-he works successfully across the aisle quite a bit. And even if Republicans don't always agree with him they certainly get along with him for the most part.

Yup. John McCain's comments regarding his work with Sanders in the Veterans' Affairs Committee is as close to an endorsement as he could have gotten.

 

[Goodstyle]

I believe Hillary when she says she's "not a natural politician".

 

[Elchele]

You sound like some 60 year old Republican who listens to Rush all day

You sound like a Hillary supporter

 

[nillah]

I don't want no drama queen for president. I'm all for women, look at Germany, a woman

 

[injurai]

I believe Hillary when she says she's "not a natural politician".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0H1AosZdv0

 

[bebop242]

dem eyes

Was this the precise moment she realized her gaffe?

 

[Trojita]

dem eyes

Why would you drink a beer while holding a baby like that? He isn't even supporting the babies head with his elbow or shoulder. That baby's head is free falling.

 

[Jams775]

dem eyes

I should buy a boat.

 

[JABEE]

Why would you drink a beer while holding a baby like that? He isn't even supporting the babies head with his elbow or shoulder. That baby's head is free falling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lWJXDG2i0A

 

[jgwhiteus]

I think Hillary rightfully got dragged across the coals for her comment on Nancy Reagan / AIDS, especially since it was unprompted and so dangerously uninformed, and she should have put out more than a simple 2-line statement on it in response.

This... feels dumb and manufactured, and not on her part.

The question "where was...?" is meant to be rhetorical about whether Bernie was actively advocating for and backing up the healthcare push in 1993, and not a literal request as to Bernie's physical location, like some responders are treating it. Like, when people ask "where was President Bush during Hurricane Katrina?", they expect more than a glib response of "that day he was probably sitting in the White House haha... why do you ask?"

And the "thank you" notes seem like the customary thank you's you'd provide any legislator (of either party) who indicated they'd vote for your legislation. Her comment was probably more about him not being as strong a public advocate for healthcare legislation back then as he is now. It's fine to say that Bernie was in fact a strong advocate back in 1993 and point to his legislative record or public appearances, but "thank you" notes are hardly compelling evidence.

Sure, Clinton should have realized her words would be open to this kind of interpretation and response, and it wasn't a very savvy line to use, but people trying to treat it as some kinda "gotcha!" moment that shows how forgetful or dishonest she is seem a bit disingenuous to me. Respond to the substance of her criticism (about whether Bernie had an active role in healthcare reform in the 90's) rather than this childish crap ("Hillary, are you blind, he's standing right there!")

 

[Fine Ham Abounds]

Some intern is getting fired over this

How many are even left at this point

 

[ezrarh]

dem eyes

I know she's a politician and all but this seems like it was done to fill some checklist.

Drink beer
In a bar with the regular folks
Baby

Just need a token black guy in there.

I'm going to support her if she becomes the nominee but this gaffe is hilarious.

 

[Tenck]

This.

Oh my god. Going to cringe myself to sleep.

Thanks for the reply.

 

[Trojita]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lWJXDG2i0A

Dammit lol.

 

[Carnby]

Let me clarify. Why is Hilldawg trying to drink the beer through her nose?

 

[royalan]

I think Hillary rightfully got dragged across the coals for her comment on Nancy Reagan / AIDS, especially since it was unprompted and so dangerously uninformed, and she should have put out more than a simple 2-line statement on it in response.

This... feels dumb and manufactured, and not on her part.

The question "where was...?" is meant to be rhetorical about whether Bernie was actively advocating for and backing up the healthcare push in 1993, and not a literal request as to Bernie's physical location, like some responders are treating it. Like, when people ask "where was President Bush during Hurrican Katrina?", they expect more than a glib response of "that day he was probably sitting in the White House haha... why do you ask?"

And the "thank you" notes seem like the customary thank you's you'd provide any legislator (of either party) who indicated they'd vote for your legislation. Her comment was probably more about him not being as strong a public advocate for healthcare legislation back then as he is now. It's fine to say that Bernie was in fact a strong advocate back in 1993 and point to his legislative record or public appearances, but "thank you" notes are hardly compelling evidence.

Sure, Clinton should have realized her words would be open to this kind of interpretation and response, and it wasn't a very savvy line to use, but people trying to treat it as some kinda "gotcha!" moment that shows how forgetful or dishonest she is seem a bit disingenuous to me. Respond to the substance of her criticism (about whether Bernie had an active role in healthcare reform in the 90's) rather than this childish crap ("Hillary, are you blind, he's standing right there!")

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[XGRaViSmOrSX]

Let me clarify. Why is Hilldawg trying to drink the beer through her nose?

I want to know this also. Confirmed reptile person?

 

[Matt]

I think Hillary rightfully got dragged across the coals for her comment on Nancy Reagan / AIDS, especially since it was unprompted and so dangerously uninformed, and she should have put out more than a simple 2-line statement on it in response.

This... feels dumb and manufactured, and not on her part.

The question "where was...?" is meant to be rhetorical about whether Bernie was actively advocating for and backing up the healthcare push in 1993, and not a literal request as to Bernie's physical location, like some responders are treating it. Like, when people ask "where was President Bush during Hurrican Katrina?", they expect more than a glib response of "that day he was probably sitting in the White House haha... why do you ask?"

And the "thank you" notes seem like the customary thank you's you'd provide any legislator (of either party) who indicated they'd vote for your legislation. Her comment was probably more about him not being as strong a public advocate for healthcare legislation back then as he is now. It's fine to say that Bernie was in fact a strong advocate back in 1993 and point to his legislative record or public appearances, but "thank you" notes are hardly compelling evidence.

Sure, Clinton should have realized her words would be open to this kind of interpretation and response, and it wasn't a very savvy line to use, but people trying to treat it as some kinda "gotcha!" moment that shows how forgetful or dishonest she is seem a bit disingenuous to me. Respond to the substance of her criticism (about whether Bernie had an active role in healthcare reform in the 90's) rather than this childish crap ("Hillary, are you blind, he's standing right there!")

Very well said.

 

[Zeus Molecules]

I think Hillary rightfully got dragged across the coals for her comment on Nancy Reagan / AIDS, especially since it was unprompted and so dangerously uninformed, and she should have put out more than a simple 2-line statement on it in response.

This... feels dumb and manufactured, and not on her part.

The question "where was...?" is meant to be rhetorical about whether Bernie was actively advocating for and backing up the healthcare push in 1993, and not a literal request as to Bernie's physical location, like some responders are treating it. Like, when people ask "where was President Bush during Hurrican Katrina?", they expect more than a glib response of "that day he was probably sitting in the White House haha... why do you ask?"

And the "thank you" notes seem like the customary thank you's you'd provide any legislator (of either party) who indicated they'd vote for your legislation. Her comment was probably more about him not being as strong a public advocate for healthcare legislation back then as he is now. It's fine to say that Bernie was in fact a strong advocate back in 1993 and point to his legislative record or public appearances, but "thank you" notes are hardly compelling evidence.

Sure, Clinton should have realized her words would be open to this kind of interpretation and response, and it wasn't a very savvy line to use, but people trying to treat it as some kinda "gotcha!" moment that shows how forgetful or dishonest she is seem a bit disingenuous to me. Respond to the substance of her criticism (about whether Bernie had an active role in healthcare reform in the 90's) rather than this childish crap ("Hillary, are you blind, he's standing right there!")

I could see that but that's not the tone you take when your accusing somebody of supporting the policy you made. It comes off like she wanted it to seem during that speech that he wasn't for the cause when reality was he was right there next to her. He didn't just vote for it he stood by it just like her.

For a candidate whose opponents biggest narrative against her is "she lies" the last thing I would expect her to do is be vague and come off as lying. So the issue is either she was lying or fucking up and after the Nancy Reagan statement her fucking up looks just as bad to me.

 

[Zoe]

The question "where was...?" is meant to be rhetorical about whether Bernie was actively advocating for and backing up the healthcare push in 1993, and not a literal request as to Bernie's physical location, like some responders are treating it. Like, when people ask "where was President Bush during Hurrican Katrina?", they expect more than a glib response of "that day he was probably sitting in the White House haha... why do you ask?"

And the "thank you" notes seem like the customary thank you's you'd provide any legislator (of either party) who indicated they'd vote for your legislation. Her comment was probably more about him not being as strong a public advocate for healthcare legislation back then as he is now. It's fine to say that Bernie was in fact a strong advocate back in 1993 and point to his legislative record or public appearances, but "thank you" notes are hardly compelling evidence.

As pointed out earlier, he was already officially formulating plans for UHC as early as 1993.

 

[steveovig]

You sound like a Hillary supporter

Well, I'm not going to sit here and be hyperbolic and act like she is some giant lying bitch and she belongs in prison or something. She isn't perfect but she is the best thing the Democrats have this year. This whole thing with the 93 Healthcare OT is clearly not her lying so she can look good. Sanders ain't exactly perfect either since he'd never win the general with the Socialist label.

 

[Abstrusity]

It's almost like she wiped the event from her memory....Like, with a cloth.

 

[Tesseract]

I think Hillary rightfully got dragged across the coals for her comment on Nancy Reagan / AIDS, especially since it was unprompted and so dangerously uninformed, and she should have put out more than a simple 2-line statement on it in response.

This... feels dumb and manufactured, and not on her part.

The question "where was...?" is meant to be rhetorical about whether Bernie was actively advocating for and backing up the healthcare push in 1993, and not a literal request as to Bernie's physical location, like some responders are treating it. Like, when people ask "where was President Bush during Hurrican Katrina?", they expect more than a glib response of "that day he was probably sitting in the White House haha... why do you ask?"

And the "thank you" notes seem like the customary thank you's you'd provide any legislator (of either party) who indicated they'd vote for your legislation. Her comment was probably more about him not being as strong a public advocate for healthcare legislation back then as he is now. It's fine to say that Bernie was in fact a strong advocate back in 1993 and point to his legislative record or public appearances, but "thank you" notes are hardly compelling evidence.

Sure, Clinton should have realized her words would be open to this kind of interpretation and response, and it wasn't a very savvy line to use, but people trying to treat it as some kinda "gotcha!" moment that shows how forgetful or dishonest she is seem a bit disingenuous to me. Respond to the substance of her criticism (about whether Bernie had an active role in healthcare reform in the 90's) rather than this childish crap ("Hillary, are you blind, he's standing right there!")

 

[i_am_ben]

Yup. John McCain's comments regarding his work with Sanders in the Veterans' Affairs Committee is as close to an endorsement as he could have gotten.

Let's not go crazy. It was a Veteran's bill.

 

[Risette]

I think Hillary rightfully got dragged across the coals for her comment on Nancy Reagan / AIDS, especially since it was unprompted and so dangerously uninformed, and she should have put out more than a simple 2-line statement on it in response.

This... feels dumb and manufactured, and not on her part.

The question "where was...?" is meant to be rhetorical about whether Bernie was actively advocating for and backing up the healthcare push in 1993, and not a literal request as to Bernie's physical location, like some responders are treating it. Like, when people ask "where was President Bush during Hurricane Katrina?", they expect more than a glib response of "that day he was probably sitting in the White House haha... why do you ask?"

And the "thank you" notes seem like the customary thank you's you'd provide any legislator (of either party) who indicated they'd vote for your legislation. Her comment was probably more about him not being as strong a public advocate for healthcare legislation back then as he is now. It's fine to say that Bernie was in fact a strong advocate back in 1993 and point to his legislative record or public appearances, but "thank you" notes are hardly compelling evidence.

Sure, Clinton should have realized her words would be open to this kind of interpretation and response, and it wasn't a very savvy line to use, but people trying to treat it as some kinda "gotcha!" moment that shows how forgetful or dishonest she is seem a bit disingenuous to me. Respond to the substance of her criticism (about whether Bernie had an active role in healthcare reform in the 90's) rather than this childish crap ("Hillary, are you blind, he's standing right there!")

ummmmm

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

dem eyes

"I would, ah, also like to express my fondness for that, ah, particular beer."

 

[Ekai]

Very well said.

Well said if you ignore the facts of the matter regarding literally what Bernie was doing at the exact. same. time. You've completely ignored that fact when it was posted. And it's been brought up. Numerous. Times. Now. In direct response to you no less. To even insinuate that he wasn't in the fight for healthcare as Hillary did is just ridiculous and outright false.

 

[nitekrawlwer]

It really makes no sense however you look at it. Bernie proposed his own plans for healthcare reform before/around the same time and Hillary herself thanked him for his attempts to help americans get access to healthcare. He was literally right there in the fight for healthcare.

I suppose I should have just said that's absurd. I concur with you. This doesn't make any sense.

 

[Epsilon-delta]

As pointed out earlier, he was already officially formulating plans for UHC as early as 1993.

Some people didn't read the thread apparently.

 

[Goodstyle]

Well said if you ignore the facts of the matter regarding literally what Bernie was doing at the exact. same. time. You've completely ignored that fact when it was posted. And it's been brought up. Numerous. Times. Now.

Adding. Periods. Between. Your. Words. Doesn't. Make. Your. Point. Any. Stronger.

 

[vainglorious]

What a glib response.

 

[Trojita]

"I would, ah, also like to express my fondness for that, ah, particular beer."

She's just reacting to her first taste of the bog water that is American Guinness.

 

[Matt]

Well said if you ignore the facts of the matter regarding literally what Bernie was doing at the exact. same. time. You've completely ignored that fact when it was posted. And it's been brought up. Numerous. Times. Now. In direct response to you no less.

Because Bernie introduced a nothing bill in the House? I mean, he didn't have power to do much more, fine, but he still didn't do very much.

 

[injurai]

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Very well said.

Conveniently ignoring things? Or is that just the model you're queen has set for you?

I could see that but that's not the tone you take when your accusing somebody of supporting the policy you made. It comes off like she wanted it to seem during that speech that he wasn't for the cause when reality was he was right there next to her. He didn't just vote for it he stood by it just like her.

For a candidate whose opponents biggest narrative against her is "she lies" the last thing I would expect her to do is be vague and come off as lying. So the issue is either she was lying or fucking up and after the Nancy Reagan statement her fucking up looks just as bad to me.

Very well said.

ummmmm

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[Ekai]

Adding. Periods. Between. Your. Words. Doesn't. Make. Your. Point. Any. Stronger.

But. It's. Fun. Sorta. Not really. I'm just tired of that poster constantly downplaying anything Bernie did. I mean, they've yet to acknowledge the facts of what Bernie was doing during that time and have essentially argued that he did nothing which is blatantly false. The fact of the matter was shown to them already and they've continued to argue in the face of that. It's fine if you want to defend her for this gaffe, sure, but the facts don't support the argument that he wasn't in the fight for healthcare.

 

[Carnby]

I want to know this also. Confirmed reptile person?

Haha. Naw. Confirmed snob.

 

[shinra-bansho]

It's fine to say that Bernie was in fact a strong advocate back in 1993 and point to his legislative record or public appearances

In his first term he introduced H.R. 2530 (102nd): National Health Care and Cost Containment Act. It died in committee, so far as I can tell. So he was doing something back then too. I'm not sure what the CNN story linked earlier is talking about in terms of 1993. I can't find it on GovTrack.

There are, however, like hundreds of bills like this on healthcare that have no hope of going anywhere introduced. I'm somewhat curious why he wasn't a co-sponsor on the 1993 Daschle bill, but it could be because he had his own effort so didn't want to be attached to that more well-supported effort.

He's introduced like 30 bills this session, none of them are going anywhere either. (EDIT: Should clarify 30 bills in general, not 30 on healthcare.)

I'm not sure whether he had a role in the CHIP policy win that Ted Kennedy led with Clinton.

 

[Matt]

Conveniently ignoring things? Or is that just the model you're queen has set for you?

"Your Queen"? This is a really poor, childish level of discourse.

 

[Risette]

Because Bernie introduced a nothing bill in the House? I mean, he didn't have power to do much more, fine, but he still didn't do very much.

I mean if we're going to criticize people for trying and failing then Hillary did fuck all in the 90s too. Just with a lot of press coverage.