Hillary:"Where was Bernie when I got healthcare in 93?" Right there, she thanked him

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Hillary Clinton has always been awful. I'm hoping people see here for what she is.
 
MIMIC said:
And now the circle continues when I ask "so it's OK to say whatever you want?", and then you say "no, that's not what I'm saying."

You're making an excuse for her without actually saying it.
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Once again, I don't even know what it is I'm supposed to be claiming.
 
curls said:
Ha

From someone who arse kisses the criminal Kissinger?
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That doesn't count, for.....reasons.

I'm willing together many Hillary supporters homes look like this recently
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Leona Lewis said:
Have I somehow suddenly found myself on Reddit?
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A flippant post means you cannot counter that fact

Look it up. Look up her relationships.

Oh I do wish Hitchens was alive.
 
curls said:
Ha

From someone who arse kisses the criminal Kissinger?
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Versus an entire political party now arguing the logistics of rounding up and returning tens of millions to their countries of origin, banning an entire religion from entering the country, and rolling back our first incremental step in universal healthcare in over 40 years?

Yeah.

Her taking Kissingers "Most qualified SoS" as a compliment is one thing, versus the unabashed evil of her competition.
 
curls said:
A flippant post means you cannot counter that fact

Look it up. Look up her relationships.
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The fact that she was happy to have Kissinger's praise does not mean she is Kissinger. There's a difference between accepting his endorsement and, say, David Duke's.

I was more referring to the snarky "criminal" rhetoric that brings to mind the GOP's "Butcher of Benghazi" nonsense.
 
XGRaViSmOrSX said:
Pretty much how I feel about her campaign lately.
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I have always hated this line of attack on Clinton.

She should be PRAISED for 'stealing' his positions.

Although, I will say that many of these positions may have also been engendered by her at some point in time or another.
 
Leona Lewis said:
The fact that she was happy to have Kissinger's praise does not mean she is Kissinger. There's a difference between accepting his endorsement and, say, David Duke's.

I was more referring to the snarky "criminal" rhetoric that brings to mind the GOP's "Butcher of Benghazi" nonsense.
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It's not just his praise, though. She's actively friends with Kissinger. The Clinton's often wintered with him and his wife at Oscar de la Renta's place. And she's repeatedly praised him.

I don't think that necessarily means she holds the same opinions, but people acting as if her only connection was accepting praise are distorting the reality of their relationship.
 
besada said:
It's not just his praise, though. She's actively friends with Kissinger. The Clinton's often wintered with him and his wife at Oscar de la Renta's place. And she's repeatedly praised him.

I don't think that necessarily means she holds the same opinions, but people acting as if her only connection was accepting praise are distorting the reality of their relationship.
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In that case, if the praise has been a two-way street, I stand corrected.
 
deranged_666 said:
If Hillary is the nominee, I really don't know if I can vote for her. I say this as a liberal who is willing to stomach a lot of things, give benefit of the doubt, etc. But she is horrible.

I'm still upset over the reprehensible way she defended dragging her campaign out in 2008, bringing up Bobby Kennedy's assassination and linking that to then Senator Obama. You know..just in case.

Just in this last week, she's said some major things that have all completely blown up in her face and re-exposed her for what she is. This is 2008 all over again. The dirty politics. The lying. The exaggerations in order to make herself appear grander than she really is (this time, it was praising the Reagans for their devotion to talking about the AIDS epidemic...back in 2008, it was the entire Bosnia sniper-fire lie, which CBS exposed her for).

I had hoped, with all of my heart, that 2016 Hillary Clinton was a different, better candidate, and quite frankly, person, than 2008 Hillary Clinton. My hopes were wrong. Clinton is just as much of an absolute liar as Trump.

But then...the entire Supreme Court nominations weigh on me...and I just don't know. I don't know.
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If Hillary's perceived dishonesty is so damning, can I ask how you felt when Bernie Sanders' campaign was caught stealing Hillary Clinton's campaign data and, when caught in their initial lie that her data wasn't accessed, Bernie only fired one campaign stagger, despite there being evidence that there were four separate accounts accessing her information?

Or when he made the promise that the US wouldn't have more people in jail than any other country at the end of his first term, a promise he can't possibly keep because it would fall outside of his authority as president?

Or when, in the Univision debate when he was specifically asked if he supported the Minutemen, he denied it...despite the fact that he did. With his vote?
 
Leona Lewis said:
In that case, if the praise has been a two-way street, I stand corrected.
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Beyond their personal friendship, she gave his book a glowing review that included much individual praise for Kissinger, including labeling him as a friend. She's also done interviews with him that include more approval, and explicitly saying she's learned a lot from him.

Again, I don't think this means she's going to get us into a war in Indochina, but she's clearly a student of Kissinger's realpolitik. A lot of how you feel about that depends on how you feel about Kissinger, who was a fairly complex guy, working in a fairly complex time.
 
These mental gymnastics are so confusing.
Jennifer Palmieri, Clinton's communications director, argued after Clinton knocked Sanders that the video of the then-Vermont congressman standing behind the first lady "proves our point."

"Hillary Clinton was out in front. Senator Sanders was in the background. She is the one that took the slings and arrows from the health care industry," Palmieri said, adding later that in the video pushed by the Sanders campaign, "He is literally standing behind her, she is literally the one out front, as she was 20-25 years ago."
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http://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/12/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-health-care/index.html
 
royalan said:
Or when, in the Univision debate when he was specifically asked if he support the Minutemen, he denied it...despite the fact that he did. With his vote?
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Ehh, if I'm reading that bill right, I don't see the problem with it. I don't support the Minutemen but I sure as heck do not support the idea of the US government spending US money to inform the Mexican government about the Minutemen's movements on our side of the border, which is what that bill seems to be about.

There's a lot of people in this country I don't support but frankly I'm hard pressed to imagine any scenario where I like the idea of my government tipping off a foreign government about what an American wants to do in America unless they're planning on entering said foreign country to carry out illegal deeds.
 
royalan said:
If Hillary's perceived dishonesty is so damning, can I ask how you felt when Bernie Sanders' campaign was caught stealing Hillary Clinton's campaign data and, when caught in their initial lie that her data wasn't accessed, Bernie only fired one campaign stagger, despite there being evidence that there were four separate accounts accessing her information?

Or when he made the promise that the US wouldn't have more people in jail than any other country at the end of his first term, a promise he can't possibly keep because it would fall outside of his authority as president?

Or when, in the Univision debate when he was specifically asked if he supported the Minutemen, he denied it...despite the fact that he did. With his vote?
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No you don't understand, that was actually the DNC's fault for not having better security
/s
 
royalan said:
If Bernie Sanders was standing right behind Hillary Clinton, why does he try to position her as being against universal healthcare every chance he gets? Could it be, possibly, a dishonest attack?

That's what she meant with the line. Not that Bernie Sanders literally wasn't there.
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Hillsplaining in a nutshell
 
royalan said:
If Hillary's perceived dishonesty is so damning, can I ask how you felt when Bernie Sanders' campaign was caught stealing Hillary Clinton's campaign data and, when caught in their initial lie that her data wasn't accessed, Bernie only fired one campaign stagger, despite there being evidence that there were four separate accounts accessing her information?

Or when he made the promise that the US wouldn't have more people in jail than any other country at the end of his first term, a promise he can't possibly keep because it would fall outside of his authority as president?

Or when, in the Univision debate when he was specifically asked if he supported the Minutemen, he denied it...despite the fact that he did. With his vote?
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Why not attack him on those things? Why be incredibly disingenuous?
 
besada said:
It's not just his praise, though. She's actively friends with Kissinger. The Clinton's often wintered with him and his wife at Oscar de la Renta's place. And she's repeatedly praised him.

I don't think that necessarily means she holds the same opinions, but people acting as if her only connection was accepting praise are distorting the reality of their relationship.
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These people probably pretend that the Clintons aren't deeply enmeshed with the Emanuals too. Rahm Emanual is a huge corrupt dirtbag and he's one of their best friends.

The Trumps and the Clintons are also very close, which is currently a bizarre situation for both famillies to be in.
 
Chariot said:
These mental gymnastics are so confusing. http://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/12/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-health-care/index.html
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"Double down."

"Maybe we should---"

"DOUBLE DOWN."

BouncyFrag said:
Lets revisit this shining moment from the 2008 campaign.
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Christ. I forgot all about this. I was recently talking to my friend about when she was talking about her hunting trips down in the duck brush and then candidate Obama teasing her about it.

I don't understand what she and her team are doing, but it hasn't been a great week for them at all.
 
BowieZ said:
Why not attack him on those things? Why be incredibly disingenuous?
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How is my post disingenuous?

For what it's worth, I have criticized Bernie for these things. I'm just wondering why instances of Bernie Sanders misspeaking, stretching the truth, or flat out lying on occasion throughout this campaign are handwaved or ignored, while Hillary gets called corporate, phony, a liar, soulless, and evil when she makes similar gaffes.

At the end of the day, I wouldn't say that Bernie Sanders is at his core a dishonest person, even though he has on occasion been dishonest. And the same goes for Hillary. Both of these people are politicians. And it would be kind of far-fetched to expect two politicians, especially two politicians who have been active as long as they have been (and, in Hillary's case active in the upper echelon of politics, having to weigh your choices not just in regard to your immediate constituency, but the entire Democratic Party, from the most liberal to the most conservative), to not make a comment or cast a vote that they'd come to regret down the line. Hold them accountable by their overall voting records, their stated goals, and their consistency in achieving them. Not a twitter gaffe. Hillary has so far been very consistent. So has Bernie.

Let's not forget that these people are on the same side, with very similar goals, even if they disagree on the road to reach them.
 
Hillary seems like the type of person that bends the facts in their own head and actually believes it. I think she could potentially be dangerous as president. Especially when it comes to foreign policy.
 
Seventy70 said:
Hillary seems like the type of person that bends the facts in their own head and actually believes it. I think she could potentially be dangerous as president. Especially when it comes to foreign policy.
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I'm not going to say this inaccurate

But I don't think its a good line of attack if someone wants to use it to defend Sanders as a better option
 
ArchedThunder said:
Hilary going into panic mode is hilarious.
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it's somewhat reminiscent of her behaviour when obama started pulling ahead, which was pretty embarrassing. of course bernie is not obama and he still has almost no chance of winning, so don't really understand why clinton is starting to malfunction so badly. she really is terrible at this, particularly since i don't think there has ever been a non-incumbent with an easier path to the white house.
 
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