Obliterator
Member
So according to Jeff the PS4.5 could manage a 3TF GPU on the same power draw APU.
That would be one hell of an upgrade.
That would be one hell of an upgrade.
Kotaku: Sony is working on a PS4.5; briefing devs on plans for a more powerful PS4
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That is fine. But exclusive 4.5 games I say..No.
Seven Force
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That's amazing, wow.
Of course it will run current PS4 games, people are more afraid about their basic PS4 being left behind but I'm sure it's not the case as well.
Just like we have powerful PCs that runs PS4 games at 60 fps and ultra, we will have a PS4K that would do the same, nothing will change imo.
Gaf has never seen this kind of excitement since last E3. This thread and the NX controller are just insane.
They were probably telling it as a joke and went HOLY SHIT when it was announced and acted like if they meant it. That's clearly how it went.
They were probably telling it as a joke and went HOLY SHIT when it was announced and acted like if they meant it. That's clearly how it went.
RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
How does this fragment the userbase? I reckon aslong a game is for the PS4-line, it has to work on all variations. It will actually extend the duration of this gen if you ask me, so OG PS4 owners will get even more out of their system. A mid-gen hardware upgrade isn't that bad imo, but if it is every year (or two years) it gets problematic for me.
The thought of Battlefront, Bloodborne, and Uncharted 4 in 4k and 60fps got me like
That's extremely unrealistic.
Papacheeks
Banned
Um... what? No he specifically was talking about even if you change the gpu to a beefier version of what's already there, you have to program and code for it, which is adding extra work in production for that game/title.
Having a PS4/XBOX AND Wii U version of a game add's work that because of their different configurations in hardware, OS and what not.
So yes he was talking about the same thing. WHich is what this basically is and is why some developers Patrick asked about it sighed, and had confusion.
3TF seems way too low for this to be a worthwhile upgrade.
Yea, I imagine the devs would have to go back to those game and get them up and running at higher resolutions and fps.
Not a likely scenario.
Pimpbaa
Member
You do realize that developers have to target countless different configurations on PC right? I'm sure they can handle just 2 fixed platforms just fine.
Omnistalgic
Member
good things forums are like 5000 gamers max who are just loud.
The other, ya know, 40 million other PS4 owners probably wouldnt give two craps about a PS4K and either ignore it, or upgrade.
Rather than PS4.5 in 2016 or 2017, like others, I'd much rather have PS5 in 2018 and that would still mean a solid 5 years between consoles, and it would not split the userbase. PS4 would not go away, but be re-positioned as an entry-level console at a low price of $199 or even $149 with very, very low cost of development. There will still be a *massive* number of HDTV-only households that don't have 4K sets yet.
Dash_Riprock
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Technically the PS1 was the SNES' 32X...
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
My mind went to the worst possible place you just know one of these overly ambitious devs will make a game for this thing and its going to run bad on the og ps4...ugh i see it happening now
Launching a the 'PS4.5' this year would be a bad move, but if they release something next year I could see that working for them. You have customers who would have bought a PSVR, and would transition for the better VR titles. You'll have customers who might see the PS4.5 side-by-side with the Nintendo NX. You'll have existing customers who'll upgrade.
As long as the PS4 remains VR compatible I don't see a revised and more powerful PS4 hurting Sony's VR plans, I think the opposite would occur where a newer system and the VR could be sold in tandem.
Bluekaveli
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Kinda wish today was April 1st as this makes no sense.
Sodding_Gamer
Member
Honestly not cool with this. Hope it isn't true. Completely goes against why I have consoles. Looks like my PC will be getting a LOT more use if this does in fact happen.
Psychological Intellect
Banned
60fps patch fro UC4 gon be LIT
4K on 3 TF, Cerny is a hardware GOD.
Never happen. The OG has a user base of 40M. It better run great. Lol!
That would be a problem.
Netherscourge
Banned
Looks like another Megaton E3 is coming up...
Will Jack Tretton be coming back to drop the mic again?
Will Jack Tretton be coming back to drop the mic again?
Yeah, I figure a large GPU upgrade could allow some existing games to be patched to support 4K or 60 FPS, but very rarely both.
I'm just going to bet on this either being a HDMI and other non-gaming components upgrade (VR breakout box built in) that could result in 4k gaming (using the same existing power of the ps4, so it'd probably be very simple games if at all possible).
or that it's actually PS5 that Sony's talking about (due to this being a shorter generation and a likely 2018 release possible for the ps5) and the devs are thinking it's an inbetween console due to mixed messaging.
or that it's actually PS5 that Sony's talking about (due to this being a shorter generation and a likely 2018 release possible for the ps5) and the devs are thinking it's an inbetween console due to mixed messaging.
Mediking
Member
Nintendo right now.
Nintendo when they heard about the Playstation 4.5:
"They're already in the lead!!! Why are they doing this?!?!?!"
But this wouldn't be like Sega adding a CD drive or 32X because this will be a PS4 that play PS4 games in 4K.
People without 4K can just get the PS4 while people who have 4K or plan to get 4K can get the PS4 that has 4K scan out.
MADGAME
Member
You don't say.
It'd be a megaton. The sort of megaton MS had in their 2013 E3 with the drm.
Thought about it a bit, if the PS4.5 is really coming out this year and priced like the last few consoles ($350-600), rendering AAA PS4 games in 4k sounds insane.
My guess is a new mid-cycle PS4 model with more horsepower for VR, 4k scaling for games on a TV and a HDMI 2.0 port for UHD bluray support. It could also give indie devs the option of making smaller games run natively at 4k.
Future PS4 games could have higher res assets stored on the disc, older PS4 games could be patched to make use of the additional power for a resolution bump, better textures, better AA, higher fps, etc. I think it’s crucial that there is only one version of a game like Uncharted 4 in stores that runs on both PS4 models, otherwise things would get very confusing for the average consumer. If you put it into a PS4, its business as usual. If you put it into a PS4.5, it’s the same game looking/running a bit better and being upscaled to 4k.
I hope something like this happens, a meaningful PS4 upgrade would be better than a slim model imo.
My guess is a new mid-cycle PS4 model with more horsepower for VR, 4k scaling for games on a TV and a HDMI 2.0 port for UHD bluray support. It could also give indie devs the option of making smaller games run natively at 4k.
Future PS4 games could have higher res assets stored on the disc, older PS4 games could be patched to make use of the additional power for a resolution bump, better textures, better AA, higher fps, etc. I think it’s crucial that there is only one version of a game like Uncharted 4 in stores that runs on both PS4 models, otherwise things would get very confusing for the average consumer. If you put it into a PS4, its business as usual. If you put it into a PS4.5, it’s the same game looking/running a bit better and being upscaled to 4k.
I hope something like this happens, a meaningful PS4 upgrade would be better than a slim model imo.
Which would make it, essentially, the PS5.
The only way this would work if Sony puts restrictions on using the extra power. "You can only have a PS4.5 title if you are running at 4K or running on PSVR at an average of 120fps". Something like that. Then those same titles would seemingly run on the PS4 also, just as lower resolutions and framerates.
But at that point you're probably better off giving developers free reign and just calling it the PS5.
Omnistalgic
Member
Do developers want upgrades?
Im on the side of the creative people...
Not even saying I would upgrade right away. Friggin Uncharted 4, Horizon and TLG are coming out this year, Im not even thinking about upgrading for the next two years. But would I mind if a more powerful hardware version is out there is thats what the people that make games want? Hell no.
So, can anyone answer that question? That for me, would make this pretty black and white.
Im on the side of the creative people...
Not even saying I would upgrade right away. Friggin Uncharted 4, Horizon and TLG are coming out this year, Im not even thinking about upgrading for the next two years. But would I mind if a more powerful hardware version is out there is thats what the people that make games want? Hell no.
So, can anyone answer that question? That for me, would make this pretty black and white.
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Deleted member 752119
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The difference for me is there it's at least an upgradeable component. I feel less guilty about the environmental impact of recycling/selling off GPUs every 3 or 4 years than having to buy whole new consoles that often. I'd have less issue if consoles were modular, or had expansion ports etc.
He specifically said that this would mean the new machine wouldn't be able to natively play the original XB1 games. He said that the only way that would work would be if the new machine was a similar architecture, but better (so in the XB1's case, it would still have ESRAM). If the new console is natively compatible with the software library of the original (which it would have to be in order for this not to be fucking insane) then the different specs would be more akin to two PCs running the same game at different settings.
Cereal Enthusiast
Banned
I found something positive about this news. We might have a Mark Cerny moment at Sony's E3 Press Conference.
TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared
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PS4.5 thats also a slightly slimmer model? Or at least redesigned.
Optimusdouche
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Guys this IS a new console, essentially. Or this is how all new consoles are going to be from now on.
When a new phone comes out do all the new apps only work for the new phone and not the old one? Of course not.
Even NX. It's all moving this way. Your older platform or model, will still work, like an older phone, but it just might not run everything in the best possible manner.
Since the real cash cow is in the subscription services, and for other reasons, it always seemed like they would do this. Would Sony really let all those tens of millions of PS+ subscribers a chance to move to MS? Nah, if you keep their library viable on the next platform, no one is going to switch over and throw all those games away.
I think, graphically we are reaching a point of diminishing returns that allows this to be possible, also.
When a new phone comes out do all the new apps only work for the new phone and not the old one? Of course not.
Even NX. It's all moving this way. Your older platform or model, will still work, like an older phone, but it just might not run everything in the best possible manner.
Since the real cash cow is in the subscription services, and for other reasons, it always seemed like they would do this. Would Sony really let all those tens of millions of PS+ subscribers a chance to move to MS? Nah, if you keep their library viable on the next platform, no one is going to switch over and throw all those games away.
I think, graphically we are reaching a point of diminishing returns that allows this to be possible, also.
Obliterator
Member
Not at all. I've already said people are latching onto the 4k part of the article too much imo. You will likely see pretty much 0 AAA games at 4k on it
Eh it would be enough to help with VR, get a little better effects, and lock in 60fps on 1080p games for the most part. Thats a pretty nice upgrade
SEEEE-GAAAA
The plot continues to thicken
Stillmatic
Member
Yeah, I don't believe this at all.