Kotaku: Sony is working on a PS4.5; briefing devs on plans for a more powerful PS4
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Point being is none of us are blown away this current generation. They were both gimped from the get go. You know it. Probably the first generation I can remember when it was just alright.
The days of consoles blowing us away are long gone. Arcades are dead and PC overtook consoles a long time ago.
Wishmaster92
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This will certainly be interesting, I just wish we had more details on the specs
Papacheeks
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Saturn had a upgrade memory card add on available for games to run better. Only in Japan. It sucked as the difference was significant.
32x actually enhanced genesis games to an extent because of better encoder chip. Depending on your genesis model color was also improved.
So no your wrong.
You know your talking to a huge sega fan right, someone who has his SATURN, genesis hooked to scart.
Except this Gen. The jump were not so high.
I could bet that this Gen were made to allow this practice since beginning.
Why only 40 million? It would likely be 50 million and going strong when PS4.5 starts sales.
PS4 will be completely usable and awesome console for $299 or $249, depending when this happens. I assume that PS4.5 would start at $400 at minimum and there is no reason that PS4 wont keep selling really well afterwards.
It keeps hardcore satisfied on PS4.5 and casuals still have more affordable PS4... I would not be surprised if PS4 would continue to sell better than new release, after the price drop.
This is actually perfect solution for everyone...
You guys aren't "blown" away because your first Naughty Dog game hasn't launched yet
. Reality is though, there is a ceiling to fidelity. However, I do understand most people's complaints. There is no reason Star Wars Battlefront in 2016 shouldn't be running at 1080p 60 FPS on all modern hardware.I assumed that was a given.
Would be odd to release an enhanced SKU with only a GPU upgrade.
mugurumakensei
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If this comes to fruition, I expect a CPU bump to 2.5-2.8 Ghz using the Zen architecture or at least something based on it.. For the GPU side, I'd probably say 2.2-2.4 TF GPU with the RAM being moved over to GDDR5X for slightly higher bandwidth. RAM amount may or may not change. Another 4GB of RAM couldnt hurt.
I'd think they would need more RAM too, though I'm not really sure what increments the PS4's memory controller would allow them to increase it by.
Papacheeks
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You speak like you represent everyone. Though not as big as form PS2 to PS3 because of going standard to HIGH DEF. Games coming out this year look fantastic and well realized.
Seriously is graphical fidelity all you care about? Sounds like someone coming from primary PC.
Yeah, fair enough, the Saturn RAM expansion was an example of forwards compatibility , my bad ... it's Friday night
But no, 32X was not forwards compatibility, games only worked with a 32X!I was going to ask what's so special about being "hooked to a scart", but then see you said Genesis, so welcome to 1990s Europe
-hadouken
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The hate in this thread comes down to little more than jealousy. If I can't have it, no one can. The original PS4 has the install base - developers will continue to cater to where they sell the most software. In the meantime enthusiasts can upgrade. It's win win.
why exactly do they need more RAM? they dont and they wont change it.
This is your opinion, not a fact. I'm blown away by several games this gen. But I guess I'm not important enough to be classified as "someone". Nor are many others who think the same.
Well, an upgrade to the GPU is far more important when it comes to a resolution boost than the CPU. But if this revision is real, I would expect an upclock in the CPU speeds.
And it also could work with Xbox one.5!
That has more to do with hardware acceleration on PC finally maturing. PS2/Xbox was really the last time that release consoles surpassed PCs, and we are never going back. High end PC cards, and the size of the PC market are now entrenched enough that this will always be the case.
Best graphics is no longer a top selling point for consoles. And it's not really what I'm looking for as an adult gamer. I did as a kid, which is why I used to be into PC gaming and building rigs. This might force me back though.
You guys aren't "blown" away because your first Naughty Dog game hasn't launched yet
1080P and 60fps should be the baseline in 2016. With more people moving to PC's consoles have to step up it's game and having revisions every 2-3 years to keep up with tech and still selling not at a huge loss or break even is great for everyone.
You can't release a conservative console and expect it to last 5-7 years anymore. You just can't.
The RAM cart's benefits were limited to a handful of games... it's was required for Xmen vs Street Fighter and Marvel Super Heroes vs Street Fighter, and it improved animation frames in game like Marvel Super Heroes and various SNK games. It wasn't at all a "forwards compatible" solution though. It wouldn't improve any game that wasn't tailored specifically to use it (so Xmen COTA for example wasn't improved at all), and the games that required it couldn't be played on a Saturn without it.
The 32X stuff is just reaching incredibly. It had its own separate library, and was basically a passthrough when a standard Genesis game was plugged in. It wasn't making any direct improves to the games themselves. It's not even remotely comparable.
vivftp
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I can kinda understand the feeling, but as has been pointed out many times in this thread I think it's time for the console industry to make some changes. A move like this gives the console owners who crave a more powerful unit the opportunity to own one without having to wait the 6-7 years that the traditional generational cycle would offer them. That's a potential market that console manufacturers are likely losing to PC because the old way of doing things just took too long. For those who invested in the earlier gen units, if this is all handled sensibly then they will still get the exact same product they paid for.
Sure it sucks if you buy a new toy, only to find out that a shinier new toy is just around the corner. That's just the nature of... well pretty much everything. If this is a cycle that they're going to go with, then it has to start somewhere. This gen there will be some upset people, but the next time people will be able to better anticipate the next cycle and choose accordingly what they want to do. I bought my second PS4 just 4 months ago. Am I angry at this potential development? Nope. The enjoyment it's given me is exactly what I paid for, and will continue to do so for years to come.
Papacheeks
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Yeah, fair enough, the Saturn RAM expansion was an example of forwards compatibility , my bad ... it's Friday night
Genesis games worked on 32X dude I own one. And the increase in color and encoder rendering differed on the version genesis you had there were 3 main ones in US, But I think there were 4 in Japan.
I own all three versions.
Sonic, if you don't get color bands on it looks great, and so does Shinobi. I have only tested Gunstar heroes, Comic zone, and they dont get much of a facelift.
There's no hate buddy. I just bought a PS4 because I want to play PS4 only games like Uncharted 4. But if there ends up being a PS4 that plays Uncharted better than my PS4, then why the fuck did I just buy a PS4? I'd have waited for the potential upgrade.
Ivory Samoan
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I would buy it, but it would be disastrous for Sony.
Basically a kick in the balls to the millions who have backed their super successful PS4.
At least offer a trade in scheme, actually.....that would be the ticket Sony: do that.
Basically a kick in the balls to the millions who have backed their super successful PS4.
At least offer a trade in scheme, actually.....that would be the ticket Sony: do that.
infiniteheteroskdasticity
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Not surprising - there have been multiple rumors floating around for a while and I've been arguing for this forever. This isn't a PS4.5, its a PS5. The era of long console generations is over for good. The 360/PS3 gen was an anomaly because of the global financial crisis in 2008. x86 offers full forward and backward compatibility. The can continue to support the PS4 on all PS5 games (at lower fidelity) because its the same architecture. They've seen apple make literal tonnes of money selling very incremental iphone upgrades every year for much more money than a console. A 2-3 year console cycle makes sense, will work and will be insanely profitable. It is good for business and for consumers. The will be a PS5 and Xbox 2 on the market by the end of 2018.
That's not really fair, and we know how this will work out. My brother heard this today and called me up pissed that his XMas gift from his fiance is already out of date.
There's legitimate concerns about splitting the ecosystem and developer focus, and worry about what happens to the lower end unit.
Honestly, if I had known that this would happen, I would not have bought a PS4 until the final model.
This is where I disagree with the majority of GAF. A true PS4.5 in 2017 could look like this. A new APU with:
1. Zen CPU (i5 equivalent with more cores)
2. Polaris GPU (~4.5-5 TF)
3. HBM 2.0 memory (1 terbate/sec of 10-12 GB with EASE)
Why?
The transition to a new CPU architecutre and 14 nm GPUs are the only real reason to even consider making an upgraded console. The transition will net you 2-4X performance of your current machine in a similar thermal envelope. The CPU is the real crutch and waiting for AMD to produce Zen will roughly equate to the same time as their Polaris GPUs launch.
Finally, HBM IS the new standard. It's replacing GDDR5 altogether and for much cheaper (in the long run). It offers better performance, cheaper manufacturing costs over time, and will actually EXPLICITLY benefit the one area Sony is advertising: 4K. 4K is impossible without huge bandwith numbers. Even than, the huge bandiwth increase will allow developers to do some really neat tricks.
Bill Squabber
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It's inevitable. They've been hinting at moving towards mobile style hardware releases. They chose the current architecture because they wanted to be able to stay cheap, upgrade-able, and backwards compatible. It's the right move imo. Almost all software will be cross-gen/cross-compatible for the first 2 or 3 years. They'll continue to increment hardware every few years. Not to mention they will have to anyway, with VR needing a lot more power.
Exactly. I bought a console so that I didn't have to worry about this. Now I have to worry about upgrading my PC and my PS4.
Papacheeks
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Various SNK? You mean my copy of King of Fighters 94. Your right, but if it had taken off outside of Japan, and more people used it. It was the same thing as N64 did, only they used it for more games in more territories.
It is comparable I have a 32x and actually run games through it, it depends on the game and version of genesis you have. Are you taking into account the better encoder chip in 32x? It improved some games depending though, sometimes it would be worse. But if it was fully supported it would have had much bigger impact which is why certain games seem to benefit from of it on certain version of the genesis console.
It is comparable it's just it was the fucking 90's and sega was making awful decisions and not backing them up with software.
That's backwards compatibility, just like SMS games working on a MD, it's not forwards compatibility. Anyway, even conceding that the Saturn RAM expansion was an example of forwards comptibility, it was not an example of it not working for Sega. It came out so late that Saturn was already dead in the west, and ironically, the market it did get released in was the only market where Saturn was successful.
R10Neymarfan
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Not if they use HBM 2. No idea about GDDR5x
Unknown One
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Yeah I'm not going to buy another or anything. I'm going full PC after this.
-hadouken
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Great to have the option for more powerful hardware without Sony having to eat a loss on each unit for the sake of the bottom end of the market (unsustainable). Options for thrifty folk and enthusiasts alike.
I'm shaking my head at how many people seem to support something like this. Personally I find consoles attractive because UNLIKE cell phones, PCs, and tons of other tech they stay the same for 5-7 years. If incremental upgrades are going to become commonplace you may as well just have a PC.
I hope this rumor isn't true.
I hope this rumor isn't true.
Keihart
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I think some are forgetting why lots of people don't bother in upgrading their PCs or their cellphones to game on them.
That is the bulk of the early adopters of consoles, that bulk will be walking away of consoles slowly but sure if they pursue the fast iterations upgrades.
The people on gaming forums are the same that update consoles early and spread the word about what's good and bad, but how can you sell to your friend on a console that is becoming old news next year?because he wont be buying on launch.
It wont be even clear at first, but PC gaming will become the only real platform for dedicated gaming if Sony, MS and Nintendo go this way.
If you are a kid, why ask for a ps4.5 for christmas, better ask for a new PC that you can keep up to date easier.
Lots here have forgotten what it was to choose one platform to game when you werent able to aford every platform it seems.
If this happens, just watch sony also pursuing PC gaming.
That is the bulk of the early adopters of consoles, that bulk will be walking away of consoles slowly but sure if they pursue the fast iterations upgrades.
The people on gaming forums are the same that update consoles early and spread the word about what's good and bad, but how can you sell to your friend on a console that is becoming old news next year?because he wont be buying on launch.
It wont be even clear at first, but PC gaming will become the only real platform for dedicated gaming if Sony, MS and Nintendo go this way.
If you are a kid, why ask for a ps4.5 for christmas, better ask for a new PC that you can keep up to date easier.
Lots here have forgotten what it was to choose one platform to game when you werent able to aford every platform it seems.
If this happens, just watch sony also pursuing PC gaming.
No backlash. Devs are still going to target their money maker. Like any tech it'll go in waves. Eventually more people upgrade and they'll start to target them.
The devs were still targeting 360 and ps3 two years into the next generation.
RiccochetJ
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Eh, I don't think so. They just need to shift the thinking towards a PC mindset. I'll never have as good a GPU as some of the people (Dennis I'm looking directly at you) out there, but I'll be damned if it doesn't look good on my machine.
The same way online is handled on PC where everyone has different fps. What kind of question was that?
Lion Heart
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I simply don't agree. Many games this gen have blown me away and Uncharted 4, from the little I've seen, looks stupid amazing. Horizon doesn't blow you away? Driveclub? Battlefront?
PC's power is irrelevant because PC's go with the console gen. If the consoles aren't producing games that amaze you, neither are PC's because they are sharing the same games which run the same textures and engines and worlds, albeit with better IQ and res. Last gen had its share of issues right from the get go (Xbox 1.5, PS3 with poor ports, etc) but each gen always delivers the goods and this isn't any different imo. I'll give you sports games which haven't really made the jump relative to other genres but especially this year, games are delivering beautiful, huge worlds. The ram jump alone makes it a big leap over last gen, go back and play some older games for perspective.
El-Pistolero
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Uncharted 4 footage blew me away...
Old Gimlet Eyes
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This is what I am most looking forward too. The CPU's in the current consoles are weak and I can't wait to see an upgraded CPU.
vivftp
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That's no different than the consumer who buys any other product just before its successor comes out. It happens all the time with everything from cars to phones to PCs and so forth. That's the way of the world.
Like I said earlier, if this is the cycle they're going to be using from now on, it has to start somewhere and this would be that somewhere. If every 3-4 years we get a new console then as each generation draws to an end we consumers can decide to hold out for the next gen, just like each and every other product out there.
Who says there will be a final model? If this is the way they're doing things then every 3-4 years we might see a new unit.
I bought a PS4 to enjoy the games that came out on it, and I've more than gotten my moneys worth in doing so. That doesn't mean I might not like to try something even better, especially with newer experiences like VR coming along too
PeakPointMatrix
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And just like that, they fucked everything up.
-hadouken
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If you don't want to upgrade, how does someone else having a better looking version of Uncharted affect you? Buy the game, enjoy it. If you want higher-res visuals, sell your OG model and upgrade. Choice is a great thing.