Old Gimlet Eyes
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Definitely makes the most sense to me.
Kotaku: Sony is working on a PS4.5; briefing devs on plans for a more powerful PS4
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Definitely makes the most sense to me.
It's one screen - each eye sees the left or right hand side of it
It can update at 90 or 120Hz which the PS4 sends to it.
Neuromancer
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No. The PS4 is capable of 120hz natively, without reprojection. The processing unit isn't even responsible for reprojection.
That was a long time ago. Do you really think they learned nothing from that?
It's not happening this paranoia is hilarious to see though. Reminds me of the DS3 not being 60fps for PC thread a lot of embarrassing comments to later backtrack like this
Be willing to eat crow if I'm wrong with my fears
. I WANT to play a few games this year that are coming to the PS4, so I hope I'm wrong about this stupid PS4.5.Blackleg-sanji1
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rokkerkory
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shortest gen evar
JayhawkerStL
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Essentially, yeah, it kinda does. If you spend $400 on a box to play games, the existence of games you don't want is completely irrelevant. This is especially true if what you are trying to decide is if putting down more cash for a new iteration of said box.
NoctisVsStar
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Heh at most a GS special ;P
Disaster Nebraska
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Well you just stop it right there, mister, with that common sense business.
Mushroom021
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That's the point! Were you not there for them claiming ps3 at 1080p? Barely any games did that. Its typical PR speak, and nowhere do the insiders say specific games, just that some gaming will do it.
hemo memo
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No. Not from Sony that's for sure.
.....So this is what the PS4K will end up being? This will be the case for sure?
......I'm sorry for my past posts them XD! Sounds like this will be just a slightly more beefy PS Slim like console or something.
Sorry for my panic everyone
.Mushroom021
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Be willing to eat crow if I'm wrong with my fears
Insiders make it seem it will replace the current model at 400 Jeff rugby explains in great detail how it's likely being done.
THE:MILKMAN
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To be fair it probably is "exploratory" at this point as a response to what MS are said to be doing. The last thing Sony wants is to be left behind if a more powerful then PS4 Xbox One v2 is coming.
I think if it does happen it would be Q1 17' at least though. Sony have their hands full with VR and holiday games.
Fixed hardware can do a lot so you can't just look at what it take to run 4K games on a PC.
brickarts295
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Why not just go all out and make it a PS5? It's going to release earlier than usual...well not really if it release in like 2018 (5 years after PS4).
wonderful103
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You're still on about magic pixie dust? These are not mystery boxes. Theyre mid range pcs with customizations, with developers coding to standard APIs
Blackleg-sanji1
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I always had it in my head that the ps5 would be a 2018 thing idky i just did. No way this gen would be as long as the last I figured but i also didn't expect this either...
The Maverick
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I would actually be upset if this happened. Hopefully these are PS5 rumors, about a system in the distant future.
Disaster Nebraska
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Let's not water down the issue. The article stated PS4.5 is in the works (in an "exploratory" sense, when the article backpedals later). It stated there will be a stronger CPU and a stronger GPU, for the purpose of playing games at 4k.
Kotaku makes the bold claim that this is an iterative console, a New 3DS if you will. It is disingenuous to say "well......maybe Sony said this because they meant indie games, which would make it technically true". I'm not accusing you. I agree that what the article states is misleading if this is actually just "indies at 4k, to do it as a technicality for the sake of PR".
This isn't PR. This isn't a statement made by Sony. This isn't something that was meant to be leaked, seeing how this is a LEAK (a rumor, but a leak nonetheless). Why on earth would Sony be preaching this to developers at a developer conference if their intention was to simply have indies do it? How would that make them look to the development community? "Hey developers we're gonna promise you hardware that plays at 4k, which high-end PC hardware still struggles to do. Sound interesting? Sound like something you want to develop for? Heh, well this was actually a secret PR stunt because we only want to do it for indies".
Does that make sense to anyone?
This isn't a PR statement where Sony is trying to make themselves look good while at the same time trying to "trick" people with a technicality. Sony did not say this. We have a third-hand rumor from anonymous sources, a rumor that has yet to be confirmed by any other gaming website.
Also keep in mind that Kotaku stated:
So they're not just talking about increased resolution, but also said in their original article that it could be used for "more effects and other graphical tweaks".
But that's either an assumption on Kotaku's part or another unconfirmed rumor. We know that Sony did not allow "more effects and other graphical tweaks" when the superior PSP 2000 hardware came out.
See above.
This is not "typical PR speak" because Sony didn't say it. This is a third-hand rumor from anonymous sources and it hasn't even been confirmed by other news outlets, either.
The misunderstanding here (willful or not) is astounding.
SolidSnakex
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Let's just ignore whether you need it or not for a moment. I'd say one of the defining aspects of this console generation has been confusion. Nintendo started things off with the Wii U. A console that presented confusion in the form of whether it was a new console or simply a controller upgrade for the Wii. It's something that they continually had to deal with. Then Microsoft had major issues with their DRM reversal. People mention even now in stores there are customers who still think that the Xbox One has DRM. Sony is the one company that managed to avoid the confusion. This is due to how simple their approach was. While Nintendo and MS were trying to push different things, Sony was basically like "Here's the follow up to the PS3". Nothing complicated.
So now we potentially enter this thing in year three of the PS4's life. If the rumors from Zoetis are current then it's significantly more powerful than the current PS4. Sony's going to need to communicate that power gap. But in doing so it's bound to lead to lead to confusion. On top of that they're going to have to communicate about PSVR. Yoshida mentioned this at GDC
http://www.theverge.com/2016/3/16/11242372/playstation-vr-shuhei-yoshida-interview
That's how easy it is to confuse the general public when it comes to electronics. So they already have something lined up this fall that they already know is going to be a pain to explain to the general public. Adding a new version of the PS4 to the mix is only going to complicate things more as far as clearly explaining the differences between them and how they all work.
Aside from the confusion aspect, they open up another problem by having people that are inevitably going to want to choose between PS4.5 and PSVR. On one hand you have this new way of playing games, but on the other you get a significantly more powerful console. Given how hard it is going to be for VR in general to catch on, why would Sony want to damage its chances by launching a new version of the PS4 around it?
I'm guessing they are counting indies, or it's 4k scaling or something lame. They can't even get most games to run at 60/1080, so they're never going to get real 4k.
This is the standard mid-gen hardware revision with some display output tweaks. We're not going to start seeing some games be PS4K exclusive, or games performing noticeably better on one console or the other. Probably the PS4K looks better on 4K TVs and the same on 1080p TVs.
TGO
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Yeah I can kinda see this
Supports 4k resolution, current games will still run the same but going forward some games will have a "4K compatible" tag but will still run on old PS4'S
Sub 4K games will be a thing, no previous or now games will be upgraded when running on PS4K unless there's a 4k option and it'll be the same as PS4, performance may vary.
Lmao i was about to post the same thing. People are going to be like 'why the fuck was I mad again' 3 years from now.
MatrixMan.EXE
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Very bad of me, I know D:
.....So this is what the PS4K will end up being? This will be the case for sure?
......I'm sorry for my past posts them XD! Sounds like this will be just a slightly more beefy PS Slim like console or something.
Sorry for my panic everyone
We don't know for sure. I'm just putting two and two together based on what we "know". This isn't going to be anywhere near the improvement a lot of people on both side of the fences seem to think it will.
It'll literally just be a "4K Ready" PS4, that maybe improves performance of current generation games, deals with PSVR better than PS4 and is primed for consumption of 4K media content.
Like I say, at best, I think the sort of performance gains we'll see on AAA games is them running at 60fps instead of 30fps. Or, take Battlefield - the next one may run at 1080p/60fps on PS4.5 instead of 900p/60fps like it will inevitably run on PS4. They'll both look the same more or less though as far as assets, VFX and textures go. And imo that's a best case scenario. We probably won't even get that.
wonderful103
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Everyone is moving in this direction and it's been something that's been talked about and in the works for years now obviously.
The traditional console industry is on a downward trend and this is an obvious attempt to evolve the market to games as a service/platform as a service by all 3. The current (and in the case of Nintendo, future) architectures are all geared for this.
Re-evaluating traditions also led to the Steam controller, on of the most versatile forms of input available for gaming imo.
-ImaginaryInsider
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They need to be proactive and explore different options, or do nothing and let Valve and others gobble up what's left of "the console market".
These times are gone and this gen showed already why. You get a very close approximation on what you need for 4k.
LostDonkey
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Oh well, I was always under the impression that 2.0 was the first iteration to offer true 120hz over hdmi, something PS4 doesn't have?
Ninja Sharingan
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lots of games do run fine at 60fps at 4k on low to medium settings. Something I can seea console doing at 30 fps and similar to what these weaker consoles do now. Lower than low draw distances etc
wapplew
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This direction you talk about, what is it exactly?
If you mean architecture, didn't PS4 already on x86? Which mean whenever their next console release, it stay in same architecture and likely to have full BC, right?
And you think release new hardware every 2-3 years can change that how?
Frozone
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That's just not true. There is no magic programming to the metal this gen. You see this with almost every review that comes out for the consoles.. 30FPS vs. 60FPS or more on PCs at the same resolution. After 2yrs of development cycles, people should be convinced that there isn't much more to squeeze out of these consoles.
wonderful103
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Yes. You can drive 4K with most modern hardware but the question there is how low will people accept. Maybe there's a software profile on uncharted 4 that will run the game at the PC equivalent to a game on low/very low at 4K the same way most PC games running on ultra dust the current ps4 profile. Would people play on very low?
Backwards and forwards support for x years that would likely be equivalent to a standard 5-6 year gen. Games/platform as a service replaces generations.
Everyone is not stupid and two choices isn't that confusing. Both play the same games and one does it better than the other. Big whoop, how is this bad for anyone? especially consumers. People always say they want "choice". I know I want the choice to go to a better ps4 that can run ps4 games better. Who wants to wait 7 years for a new console I sure as hell don't and whoever happens to enjoy that sort of thing wouldn't be forced to upgrade.
I honestly don't think there is a single argument against this happening that doesn't sound silly and ignorant for one reason or another. I mean the fact that they would both play the same games literally eliminates any legit argument that anyone could possibly have. You don't have to buy the new upgrade so how does it hurt you.
Disaster Nebraska
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Re-evaluating traditions led to the Steam controller "thumbsticks", one of the worst controller inputs I've ever had to use.
(Just opinions, of course).
I'm not actually arguing against breaking traditions. It's a perfectly normal part of business. But sticking to traditions is also a perfectly normal part of business.
Many people in this thread have been explaining the traditional way of doing things and giving a lot of reasons why moving to iterative consoles might be bad. Then, someone else basically replies with a lame truism like "TRADITIONS? didn't you hear that 'traditions are meant to be broken'?", so it seemed necessary to point out that traditions can be good, too.
It was one of those things that I figured would be common sense on GAF, but I guess not.
Developers and Publishers would probably add exclusive content to the versions on the newest hardware. This trend were talking about is just waiting to be exploited at our expense.
The console market is not under any kind of threat, especially considering the 7th generation systems were hugely successful.
Blackleg-sanji1
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Same can be said for the otherside. I said it before people ok with this seem to can't accept that others are not. That fact people keep calling others not ok with move as of not ignorant,cheap,childish,insecure nd more says alot really
wonderful103
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Publishers are going to fuck you for a dollar NOW, bartering every possible thing they can to console manufacturers to increase the dollar per customer. That won't change and incentives from console manufacturers won't either. They're still going to play the same games for x years.
You mean the same way they add DLC now? Regardless, I don't see pc games getting exclusive content because one person has a 980ti and the other a 960. Better yet, how does it even benefit the developers/publishers by doing what you suggest? It doesn't.
Frozone
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Yeap. Agreed. It'll be like the 3D-Ready games that will take advantage of that if the software "senses" the hardware/TV.
It's funny seeing people hold onto their traditions so hard. It must be tough. lolololol.
I predict the same for Sony as I did for MS.
Xbox One
Xbox One Pro
Playstation 4
PlayStation 4 Pro
It's a thing that should happen in my eyes. Pro devices are for the hardcore gamer (4K, Dual GPU). Really expensive (think like Elite Controller). The other is just your normal version (plus a slim down look). Then they'll iterate on those consoles until the next major leap comes out.
I predict the same for Sony as I did for MS.
Xbox One
Xbox One Pro
Playstation 4
PlayStation 4 Pro
It's a thing that should happen in my eyes. Pro devices are for the hardcore gamer (4K, Dual GPU). Really expensive (think like Elite Controller). The other is just your normal version (plus a slim down look). Then they'll iterate on those consoles until the next major leap comes out.
Why would they do that when they have nothing to gain from doing so?
hydragonwarrior
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So this is a PS4 and a PS3 taped together?
The way I see the gaming market going, I think traditional consoles will be extinct by 2026. Instead we'll be seeing alienware-esque prebuilt pc's that come bundled with either PSN, Nintendo Network or XLive yearly subscriptions. Then we'll get first party games being released under heavily DRM'd services much like microsoft is currently doing.